I didn't forget about that, but it's still worth noting.
I don't even get what you're upset about. Mariah said she was a part of a movement, not that she began and led it. Like, that's not even tooting her own horn, it's just stating a pop culture fact. There's probably Trivial Pursuit cards about this.
Just because I give a different perspective doesn't make me upset. TasteofHoney is a huge fan of Mariah and know that I give her her props. ------------>
if she didnt come up with the idea, someone else would have....
That's a silly way of discrediting her. I'm sure if someone hadn't invented electricity, someone else would have too but that doesn't take any credit away from Edison.
Just because I give a different prospective doesn't not make me upset. TasteofHoney is a huge fan of Mariah and know that I give her her props. ------------>
I mean, you're in here badgering and trying to discredit every statement made.
And who claimed that she was? What's being said is that Mariah MADE it become a thing. As Drake famously once said, "it ain't about who did it first, it's bout who did it right".
Comprehension is something that is usually taught at a young age dahhling!
She didn't "do it right". She brought an R&B trend to the non-R&B audience. If that constitutes as "doing it right", then there's a problem.
She never said she was the FIRST to do it but that she that she helped make it a very popular thing which is what she DID do, she took a POP song and turned it in to something completely different
Two completely DIFFERENT songs
Mariah isn't the only one who thinks she did this MULTIPLE people in the industry have given her credit for making it popular
Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes - "It's because of Mariah that we have "Hip-Pop."
Toni Braxton - "Mariah Carey has been pioneering this for a long time and people don't give her credit"
Multiple industry experts also agree with her
People in the industry calling it "the most important record she ever made"
New York Times:
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In the mid-1990's Ms. Carey pioneered a subgenre that some people call the thug-love duet. Nowadays clean-cut pop stars are expected to collaborate with roughneck rappers, but when Ms. Carey teamed up with Ol' Dirty Bastard, of the Wu-Tang Clan, for the 1995 hit "Fantasy (Remix)," it was a surprise, and a smash.
The New Yorker
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"It became standard for R&B/hip-hop stars like Missy Elliott and Beyoncé, to combine melodies with rapped verses. And young white pop stars—including Britney Spears, 'N Sync, and Christina Aguilera—have spent much of the past ten years making pop music that is unmistakably R&B."
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"Her idea of pairing a female songbird with the leading male MCs of hip-hop changed R&B and, eventually, all of pop. Although now anyone is free to use this idea, the success of "Mimi" [ref. to The Emancipation of Mimi, her tenth studio album released almost a decade after Fantasy] suggests that it still belongs to Carey."
This is 100% true lol. Rolling Stones, Pitchfork, and pretty much every relevant source has said this at some point or another.
Mess @ the J.Lo shade though.
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@ everyone not even reading what she said
She never said she was the FIRST to do it but that she that she helped make it a very popular thing which is what she DID do, she took a POP song and turned it in to something completely different
Two completely DIFFERENT songs
Mariah isn't the only one who thinks she did this MULTIPLE people in the industry have given her credit for making it popular
Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes - "It's because of Mariah that we have "Hip-Pop."
Toni Braxton - "Mariah Carey has been pioneering this for a long time and people don't give her credit"
Multiple industry experts also agree with her
People in the industry calling it "the most important record she ever made"