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News: UK Politics | Corbyn elected labour leader
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Originally posted by Cupid
Well it's a little more complicated, parties in the UK aren't really fixed as democrats/republicans are.
Labour was traditionally the party of the "working people" aka regular people.
Conservatives are basically the same as Labour except a little more traditional and less focused on working people.
Liberal Democrats were the most progressive.
Green are more about environment and are very progressive too.
UKIP are very... very... conservative, i.e they want to break from Europe and have strict border control..
The UK is generally quite progressive, but after the economic crash, I guess the country wanted more stability and felt like the Conservatives could offer that.
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It's really weird that the USA never developed a Working Class party like Labour, must be something to do with the American Dream and everyone feeling like one day they'll be rich.
I'd say, policy-wise, Conservatives are right-leaning Democrats, UKIP/DUP are the Republicans and everyone else would be super left Socialist/Communist parties if they ran in America.
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Originally posted by RihannaRTT
Labour - 57%
SNP - 50%
Green - 48%
I'm stuck between SNP and Labour... think I'll vote Labour..
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Voting SNP is just like voting for a Labour Party that is terrified of pissing off Scotland tbh, as if they do they lose -everything-. Though I suppose Labour itself will be more weary from now on after the polls have got it spooked. Scotland is no longer as guaranteed a vote as it was before, can only be a good thing.
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Originally posted by J a y
I registered, didn't realise it was so easy.
I keep throwing the post about the elections in the bin. There's a polling station nearby so I may as well join in.
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Make sure that is your station before you just turn up on the day, there's usually a bunch in each area of a busy city so you could be assigned a different one.
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Originally posted by Buyonce1814
Do they ask us to choose between the specific Prime Minister bids or do they go off whichever party wins the majority of the local elections? I can't remember how it worked last time.
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The Queen picks the Prime Minister based on who can command the authority of the House of Commons aka, the leader of the party with the most seats. The constitutional crisis starts if Labour and Conservative have a equal number of seats which the polls imply is very possible, there's no precedent for who the monarch should pick in that situation...
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Originally posted by Crystalline
They talk a lot of sense on immigration which is why I'd love a Conservative-UKIP coalition where they can push their immigration ideas forward without focussing on their messier side.
That said, they would hardly turn us into Nazi Germany, people are so dramatic.
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I'd disagree with this but I don't want to get into an argument.
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Originally posted by Benjamin
It's really weird that the USA never developed a Working Class party like Labour, must be something to do with the American Dream and everyone feeling like one day they'll be rich.
I'd say, policy-wise, Conservatives are right-leaning Democrats, UKIP/DUP are the Republicans and everyone else would be super left Socialist/Communist parties if they ran in America.
Voting SNP is just like voting for a Labour Party that is terrified of pissing off Scotland tbh, as if they do they lose -everything-. Though I suppose Labour itself will be more weary from now on after the polls have got it spooked. Scotland is no longer as guaranteed a vote as it was before, can only be a good thing.
Make sure that is your station before you just turn up on the day, there's usually a bunch in each area of a busy city so you could be assigned a different one.
The Queen picks the Prime Minister based on who can command the authority of the House of Commons aka, the leader of the party with the most seats. The constitutional crisis starts if Labour and Conservative have a equal number of seats which the polls imply is very possible, there's no precedent for who the monarch should pick in that situation...
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I've always seen the Democrats as between Conservatives and Lib Dems, UKIP as between the mainstream Republicans and the Tea Party but with less of a grand ideology, and the rest being too far left for mainstream American politics.
Not exactly, the biggest party may not be able to build a government, for example the Tories may beat Labour but it'd still be more likely for Labour to do a deal of sorts with the 'progressive alliance' and get a majority, perhaps with the Lib Dems too.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Cupid
I'm on mobile so I can't link you but it's a site called May2015, it has seat prediction on there which you can edit yourself too. And it shows polls for past elections, it's very detailed.
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Can I say that this is very interesting to play around with, thanks ![Duca](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/duca_zps480ab501.gif)
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True! I was just giving a basic definition of how the Prime Minister is picked. The "Constitutional Crisis" only really appears if Conservatives and Labour have equal seats and neither form a formal coalition - then the Queen can be argued to be picking sides, regardless of if there's informal deals going on or not.
Re: House of Lords reform, I think it's desperately needed. Whether it's abolished completely or replaced by a elected house change needs to happen, it's a real sticking point in the idea that we're a fair and equal democracy.
I'd personally vote for a Senate elected by proportional representation, fairly spread over all the regions of the UK rather than the London-centric House of Lords. I think all the parties other than Conservatives (Not sure on UKIP even though I read their manifesto...) have promised to make it an elected house, so it should hopefully be guaranteed within the next Parliament...
Next up: Elected Head of State. I'm coming for your throne, Liz. ![eli's_rhythm](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/eli_zps0932edf9.gif)
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Originally posted by Benjamin
True! I was just giving a basic definition of how the Prime Minister is picked. The "Constitutional Crisis" only really appears if Conservatives and Labour have equal seats and neither form a formal coalition - then the Queen can be argued to be picking sides, regardless of if there's informal deals going on or not.
Re: House of Lords reform, I think it's desperately needed. Whether it's abolished completely or replaced by a elected house change needs to happen, it's a real sticking point in the idea that we're a fair and equal democracy.
I'd personally vote for a Senate elected by proportional representation, fairly spread over all the regions of the UK rather than the London-centric House of Lords. I think all the parties other than Conservatives (Not sure on UKIP even though I read their manifesto...) have promised to make it an elected house, so it should hopefully be guaranteed within the next Parliament...
Next up: Elected Head of State. I'm coming for your throne, Liz. ![eli's_rhythm](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/eli_zps0932edf9.gif)
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That would be a complete mess, but can't they just insist on them forming a grand coalition? I feel like she doesn't really have a mandate to do that, though, as she isn't elected.
I think it'd be better if different institutions were told that they could send a few people to the House of Lords to vote on issues that they actually have knowledge of, and they would have 10 year terms or something.
And nnn I love the Queen let her die happily ![lakitu](images/smilies/images/smilies/lakitu.gif)
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Originally posted by Benjamin
True! I was just giving a basic definition of how the Prime Minister is picked. The "Constitutional Crisis" only really appears if Conservatives and Labour have equal seats and neither form a formal coalition - then the Queen can be argued to be picking sides, regardless of if there's informal deals going on or not.
Re: House of Lords reform, I think it's desperately needed. Whether it's abolished completely or replaced by a elected house change needs to happen, it's a real sticking point in the idea that we're a fair and equal democracy.
I'd personally vote for a Senate elected by proportional representation, fairly spread over all the regions of the UK rather than the London-centric House of Lords. I think all the parties other than Conservatives (Not sure on UKIP even though I read their manifesto...) have promised to make it an elected house, so it should hopefully be guaranteed within the next Parliament...
Next up: Elected Head of State. I'm coming for your throne, Liz. ![eli's_rhythm](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/eli_zps0932edf9.gif)
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Labour have proposed a Senate of the Nations and Regions, which I think is a good idea... it will ensure that politics isn't so revolved around London and the south,
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I'm voting green. I'd just feel ****** placing my support anywhere else even though people will say that it's a wasted vote.
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Finnnneeee. The first Presidential election can take place on the first anniversary of Liz's death.
Tbh the Monarchy is really lucky she didn't die 10 years ago when people were still seething over Diana and before Kate became the new Diana - the second Charles sat on that throne we would've been a Republic.
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Originally posted by Crystalline
That would be a complete mess, but can't they just insist on them forming a grand coalition? I feel like she doesn't really have a mandate to do that, though, as she isn't elected.
I think it'd be better if different institutions were told that they could send a few people to the House of Lords to vote on issues that they actually have knowledge of, and they would have 10 year terms or something.
And nnn I love the Queen let her die happily ![lakitu](images/smilies/images/smilies/lakitu.gif)
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A grand coalition would be hilarious. Pretty sure that would guarantee us a second election by June, probably with Labour and the Conservatives splitting into at least 2 smaller parties each.
That alternative to the House of Lords sounds great, but at that point you basically have groups of committees rather than a house tbh, and I can see it being dragged even harder for being undemocratic than HoL is.
Labours plan Geo quoted is the best idea, tbh. Limit it at 20 members per region and have fairly regular elections (2-3 years) as well as PR to truly reflect the changing desires of the GP, then you'd have a flawless Senate(/Government set up in general) imo.
Senator Benjamin is coming to slay an election near you as soon as he can. ![Gay Cat](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/random/cat_zpsebvh5uip.png)
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My other problem with HOL reform is that it'd make it harder to say which is the more important, if the two houses can't agree on a budget then what would happen? If the Tories have the Commons and Labour have the Lords, who would be Prime Minister? The only way I could see that working is electing the Prime Minister outside of Parliament, but then we could end up with the same gridlock as America unless one House is made superior, and even then we may end up with a Tory PM and Labour government, or vice versa.
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Originally posted by Cupid
UKIP Councillor crashes an anti-UKIP campaign center, and assaults a man.
Watch the VIDEO here
UKIP Supporters were parked outside, taking photos of everyone at the event, then the UKIP councillor enters the building. After being told he was not welcome at the event and asked to leave, he slaps the man around his face, telling him "you're getting me angry now".
He was arrested and cautioned with minor assault.
Since the incident, the gay rights campaigner has been receiving homophobic abuse from UKIP supporters on Twitter.
Read more here
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People have a right to protest OUTSIDE, not to pull this **** ![Bibliotheque](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/biblio_zps23dff242.gif)
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But it wasn't because the guy was gay, it's because he was being a dick. John Prescott did it, this is no different, it's not like he said anything homophobic.
Why was he in there anyway? They should be asked to leave, tbqh.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Cupid
Still doesn't make it okay. I put the gay part as reference for the homophobic abuse he received from UKIP supporters after the incident.
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Well when John did it most people laughed it off, this should be no different, even if we should somewhat question their character and I don't think he seems the best person for the job for how he came across.
And, if that guy has a right to protest (he should be outside though, and I don't think he could really just tell him to leave his own event/HQ ![deadbanana2](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/bananas/deadbanana_zps933fcf47.gif) ), I'd argue he should let people express their views, rightly or wrongly, but that's another issue.
UKIP, I quite like you, but this is why people hate you, find some nicer people, omfg. ![deadbanana2](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/bananas/deadbanana_zps933fcf47.gif)
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Cupid
We didn't all laugh it off, it's never okay to lay hands on someone, especially not when you're a politician.
He shouldn't be outside, he wasn't protesting, they were organizing and they had privately booked the venue, so no they don't have to be outside. The event wasn't a UKIP event, which is why the man had no business being there.
UKIP supporters turned up outside taking pictures, to intimidate people, and then the Councillor entered the building.
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Members of the campaigning group Hope Not Hate had hired out Drill Hall to distribute anti-UKIP leaflets
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Oh, I misunderstood, I thought UKIP had booked it, my bad ![deadbanana2](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/bananas/deadbanana_zps933fcf47.gif) why the hell was the UKIP guy there then? Again, I quite like them, but they are so ****ing stupid, omg
I mean, I don't judge him that much for getting angry at someone campaigning against him, but if you can't not punch someone whilst being filmed by people who will use anything against you, you clearly have no self-restraint ![deadbanana2](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/bananas/deadbanana_zps933fcf47.gif)
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Cupid
Yeah sorry I should have specified in my post but I just linked the articles and assumed y'all would read them.
That's what I mean though, it's so messy for him to turn up at an anti-UKIP event. I'm surprised this didn't get much press coverage. Imagine if a Torie did this. ![skull](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/faces/skull_zpsksni5fmm.gif)
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This is one of the reasons I kinda like them, they have no common sense and they're like headless chickens ![deadbanana2](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/bananas/deadbanana_zps933fcf47.gif) I think we've just become accustomed to this by now.
This one's deserved, I'm not even gonna try and defend him on this, this is too stupid. ![deadbanana2](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/bananas/deadbanana_zps933fcf47.gif)
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Originally posted by Cupid
It's more like watching a parody then an actual political party. It's like some sort of weird soap opera TV.
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I love how Nigel always has to go on some radio show, say 'this isn't what it looks like', and pretend to do some internal inquiry, and then watch this happen two weeks later. They're so completely incompetent at PR, they're like the Iggy of UK Politics ![deadbanana2](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/bananas/deadbanana_zps933fcf47.gif)
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Quote:
Originally posted by Cupid
UKIP Councillor crashes an anti-UKIP campaign center, and assaults a man.
Watch the VIDEO here
UKIP Supporters were parked outside, taking photos of everyone at the event, then the UKIP councillor enters the building. After being told he was not welcome at the event and asked to leave, he slaps the man around his face, telling him "you're getting me angry now".
He was arrested and cautioned with minor assault.
Since the incident, the gay rights campaigner has been receiving homophobic abuse from UKIP supporters on Twitter.
Read more here
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Mess ![skull](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/faces/skull_zpsksni5fmm.gif)
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Btw, thanks for the May2015 name drop. It's a fascinating site!
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I just registered for my mum, she said she wasn't voting and I told her I was, she asked who I was voting for, I said Labour or Green Party, so I was like, I'll do it for you.
Me and her can vote together ![:)](http://www.atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/smile.gif)
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