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Discussion: Is Rihanna the biggest trend setting artist of our time?
Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by ImsoLOUD
Yes. And I'm not going to dignify the haters because there is nothing to prove. I know it, you know it and y'all HATE it
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Then list some ****ing examples that pertain to her artistry. It shouldn't be that hard if it's so undeniable.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by Drayb
the ONLY reason I brought Bey up is because he style COMPLETELY changed so drastically with self titled. It mirrored more of Rihanna's style then Bey. this is not some stan-war statement. No one else changed their style so completely. Name another who did that?
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I'm always shocked when people think that BEYONCÉ was such a huge change. From 4, ok, I can see that. But from her overall work. Not at all.
I mean it opens with Pretty Hurts. That is VERY Beyoncé. It has a lot of hip-hop bravado like in Diva and Upgrade U, sexuality like in Baby Boy, Naughty Girl, Dance for You, etc. It has empowerment anthems. It has soft emotional love songs. What exactly is "Rihanna" here?
The only real jump is just about how explicit some of the lyrics were, but I don't think we can really say Rihanna did that for Beyoncé. Countless artists are explicit, Rihanna is not the only one. Crediting her is just a petty way to get Rihanna to somehow be associated with the incredible success of Beyoncé's album.
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Member Since: 12/16/2008
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Originally posted by Mike91
But Rihanna released a ballad 4 years before that though!
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I think it has to do with being a piano/guitar driven song, similar to Someone Like You (This is piano-driven tho)
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Drayb
the ONLY reason I brought Bey up is because he style COMPLETELY changed so drastically with self titled. It mirrored more of Rihanna's style then Bey. this is not some stan-war statement. No one else changed their style so completely. Name another who did that?
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Again, Bey has nothing to do with this conversation and how you feel about her style is irrelevant to me.
And throughout all of this, get off of trying to discuss my fave, and list some trends Rihanna has actually started.
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Originally posted by Dark Miracles
Such a trendsetter that she's only a full year late on trap-influenced music infiltrating pop radio again with Dark Horse and as that Trap Queen and Natalie La Rose song are rising up the charts.
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Dark Horse is NOT trap Look up actual examples before making statements like that. It may have had trap influences, but in no way is it trap music.
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She usually rides the trends at their emergence, being the first major pop star to do so, with others generally following for a year or two. It's been that way since 2007.
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Originally posted by AHemsworth
Again, Bey has nothing to do with this conversation and how you feel about her style is irrelevant to me.
And throughout all of this, get off of trying to discuss my fave, and list some trends Rihanna has actually started.
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You don't even get what I'm saying. Swiss did and stated why he felt the opposite which I can respect.
Another thing, let's really think about it and be totally honest--nothing is new under the sun so everything has been done before. NO POP GIRL HAS been a trend setter when you look at it that way BUT when Rih does it--it catches on and people try to imitate it so that is trend setting in and of itself
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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She is, I mean Miley was obviously channeling her with her last era, only pressed people think otherwise.
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Originally posted by RickyH.
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That's exactly what I said.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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To be honest, anything that is super successful sparks a trend because pop music is about commercialism and what works.
And Rihanna has been very successful so has led some very obvious trends in music.
I just can't help feeling that her constant changing of musical direction / looks are more a source of marketing and staying current rather than how her artistry evolves, so in that way it's not surprising that she's able to hit a trend before it takes off. But being one of the first to do it is always better than one of the last.
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Member Since: 5/2/2012
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Fashion wise hands down, musically not so much. She definitely has an amazing ear and feel for where things are headed and gets on the right things at the right times which has benefit her tremendously so it really doesn't matter either way.
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Originally posted by Dark Miracles
That's exactly what I said.
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BBHMM and Dark Horse sound nothing alike, that point of Katy setting a trap trend was far-fetched and uninformed as if Rihanna hadn't done trap during Unapologetic
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Originally posted by lonnie
She is, I mean Miley was obviously channeling her with her last era, only pressed people think otherwise.
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I don't hear it so much in the music overall but in the image and the "who cares" attitude, for sure. However, if Rihanna wasn't a popstar and Miley was still there for that era, I don't think anyone would have been like WHOA THIS IS SO NEW AND FRESH, because pop-bad-girls have been a thing for a long time.
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Originally posted by swissman
To be honest, anything that is super successful sparks a trend because pop music is about commercialism and what works.
And Rihanna has been very successful so has led some very obvious trends in music.
I just can't help feeling that her constant changing of musical direction / looks are more a source of marketing and staying current rather than how her artistry evolves, so in that way it's not surprising that she's able to hit a trend before it takes off. But being one of the first to do it is always better than one of the last.
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IMO, I think Rihanna gets bored and has to switch things for her own pleasure moreso than marketing. I mean she thrives off of pushing the limits. Anyone who embraces bdsm is a person who likes living on the edge. She likes being fringe and people see that as bold and fascinating which makes them want to try what she's doing. She makes the ugly look fun and glamorous where before it was shunned. It's not only reflected in her fashion but also in her music. Who else would have made a song like Cake when she had to have an idea of the backlash from her fanbase as well as gp.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Drayb
You don't even get what I'm saying. Swiss did and stated why he felt the opposite which I can respect.
Another thing, let's really think about it and be totally honest--nothing is new under the sun so everything has been done before. NO POP GIRL HAS been a trend setter when you look at it that way BUT when Rih does it--it catches on and people try to imitate it so that is trend setting in and of itself
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You don't get it. Navy started a thread about how's she the biggest trend setting artist of our time, but can't name any huge trends she's set.
I don't want to hear about what trends she hopped on as they were getting popular. I want to know what trends she actually started as suggested.
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She always sets the trends and others always follow suit.
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Who, when, where?
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The countless manufactured Rihanna-esque popstars.
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Who?
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Her songs have always influenced the switch in genres.
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Which ones? How?
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And let's not talk about her image being one of the most emulated and sought after.
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No, let's talk about it. Details?
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Originally posted by swissman
I don't hear it so much in the music overall but in the image and the "who cares" attitude, for sure. However, if Rihanna wasn't a popstar and Miley was still there for that era, I don't think anyone would have been like WHOA THIS IS SO NEW AND FRESH, because pop-bad-girls have been a thing for a long time.
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Bangerz was more urban than any Miley album and yes the image and attitude all screamed Rihanna.
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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Originally posted by swissman
Yes and no.
She doesn't really set the trend, she attaches herself to it before it becomes all over the place, so in that way she is not setting it, but because of her huge star power she is also cementing the trend into pop culture in a big way.
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This. Her team is really good at it.
She usually makes the most of every trend.
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Originally posted by lonnie
BBHMM and Dark Horse sound nothing alike, that point of Katy setting a trap trend was far-fetched and uninformed as if Rihanna hadn't done trap during Unapologetic
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Really starting to think y'all don't/can't even read.
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Originally posted by AHemsworth
You don't get it. Navy started a thread about how's she the biggest trend setting artist of our time, but can't name any huge trends she's set.
I don't want to hear about what trends she hopped on as they were getting popular. I want to know what trends she actually started as suggested.
Who, when, where?
Who?
Which ones? How?
No, let's talk about it. Details?
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Rihanna has set trends in fashion and music, there is no doubt about it. For example how WFL changed the sound of most EDM songs after release.
Rihanna has inspired new comers like Tinashe, F.U.N, Lorde, Jhene, JB, Demi Lovato, Miley and Selena. Not that any of them are copycats, but they have claimed to be inspired by her.
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Originally posted by Dark Miracles
Such a trendsetter that she's only a full year late on trap-influenced music infiltrating pop radio again with Dark Horse and as that Trap Queen and Natalie La Rose song are rising up the charts.
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Originally posted by Dark Miracles
Really starting to think y'all don't/can't even read.
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She had done trap before with her last album, how then could she be late for something already done? If anything it does support the point that she is a trend-setter.
And read your post, what is it that wasn't understood?
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