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Discussion: Gym cancels woman's membership over complaints of transwoman
Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Originally posted by Maybe
You're always in these threads posting your transphobic and homophobic views. Disgusting trash
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That's not true, and I've never said anything homophobic or transphobic here, I just see everything from a cold perspective, most member here would directly bash the woman because she doesn't fit their agenda, but she has a very good point that I also brought in this thread.
You are just mad I'm not supporting YOUR agenda, sorry.
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Member Since: 11/10/2009
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Originally posted by moijejoue
If the gym had no problem with transgendered using specific locker rooms, that individuals rights wouldn't be stripped away and I don't think the "complainer" had the idea in mind in the first place.
There are perverts out there and there are women who have been physically and/or sexually abused and being cautious of their surroundings don't make them close minded.
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She knew that the individual was a transgendered woman. She took the issue to the corporate office after her gym didn't give her the response she wanted. Also, never did she state that the trans woman was giving her shady glances or any sign of harassment. She simply demonstrated her own discomfort with the transgendered woman being there and went out of her way to get her removed—clearly a violation of the code of conduct.
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Originally posted by Trent W
That's not true, and I've never said anything homophobic or transphobic here, I just see everything from a cold perspective, most member here would directly bash the woman because she doesn't fit their agenda, but she has a very good point that I also brought in this thread.
You are just mad I'm not supporting YOUR agenda, sorry.
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This post by itself is kind of transphobic
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Member Since: 11/20/2011
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Originally posted by Newt
You basically still ignored the gay/straight scenario.
Man A goes inside the male bathroom to take a piss. He walks inside and sees Man B taking a leak. Man A heard through the grapevine that Man B is a filthy homosexual and immediately feels uncomfortable, leaves the restroom and reports the incident to the workers at his Planet Fitness. Man A demands that the gays have a separate bathroom
Is that not a parallel situation? You're trying to come up with (bad) excuses for discrimination.
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No, it's not a parallel situation.
First of all, let me say that I can’t remember the last time any woman was harmed in a public locker room, dressing room, or bathroom by a man cis gendered or otherwise. So, there’s that, and then, there’s the fact that even though transwomen aren’t cis-women, they are still women, but Homophobic, straight men do not fear gay men because of any safety concerns. So, theoretically, a trans-man could be in a men’s locker room, and probably no one would care.
Women, however, do have reason to fear men. That’s where this is coming from. It’s illogical, given how no one seems to remember the last time a woman was harmed in a public locker/dressing/bathroom by a man, but it’s not your garden variety, straight male homophobia.
The thing is though, based on the OP, the woman was told to stop saying that so and so was a man to other members. PF had a policy. She violated it, and they told her to leave.
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Member Since: 8/31/2012
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Planet Fitness still trash though...with their free pizza and bagel days
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And that's how it should be. If you have a problem with someone, YOU should leave, not the person doing absolutely nothing to you. It's just like if you don't believe in gay marriage, don't get married to someone of the same sex. You cannot live life, especially in public, and expect people to walk around you to make sure you're always okay. A trans woman has the right to use the women's restroom and it's as simple as that.
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Originally posted by moijejoue
If the gym had no problem with transgendered using specific locker rooms, that individuals rights wouldn't be stripped away and I don't think the "complainer" had the idea in mind in the first place.
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Separate but equal is not equal. Why should trans people have to use designated restrooms when they can just use the regular restrooms?
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Originally posted by moijejoue
There are perverts out there and there are women who have been physically and/or sexually abused and being cautious of their surroundings don't make them close minded.
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Trans people =/= perverts. The idea that there are a bunch of men and women pretending to be the opposite gender so they can go around harassing people in public restrooms is nothing but a myth, a transphobic story told to try and scare the public into making it so trans people can't use the restrooms they feel comfortable in. Stop trying to victimize the transphobe in this instance in an attempt to gain sympathy for her.
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Originally posted by Nano
This post by itself is kind of transphobic
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Can you please detail me the exact sentence were it was transphobic
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Member Since: 11/10/2009
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The separate but equal locker room idea is a damn mess and an incredible breach of a trans person's privacy. Not to mention a waste of valuable money and resources.
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Member Since: 11/10/2009
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Originally posted by Trent W
Can you please detail me the exact sentence were it was transphobic
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You stated that supporting the integration of transgendered individuals in mainstream society is an "agenda." Very questionable, if you ask me.
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Originally posted by Bang Up
And that's how it should be. If you have a problem with someone, YOU should leave, not the person doing absolutely nothing to you. It's just like if you don't believe in gay marriage, don't get married to someone of the same sex. You cannot live life, especially in public, and expect people to walk around you to make sure you're always okay. A trans woman has the right to use the women's restroom and it's as simple as that.
Separate but equal is not equal. Why should trans people have to use designated restrooms when they can just use the regular restrooms?
Trans people =/= perverts. The idea that there are a bunch of men and women pretending to be the opposite gender so they can go around harassing people in public restrooms is nothing but a myth, a transphobic story told to try and scare the public into making it so trans people can't use the restrooms they feel comfortable in. Stop trying to victimize the transphobe in this instance in an attempt to gain sympathy for her.
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If you read my previous statement correctly then I said if the gym was OK with the transgendered woman using the women's locker room in the first place, then the last making the report wouldn't have her rights stripped away.
As for your second statement, tell that to the men in the Facebook comment who contemplated the idea. It's not a myth. It can and had happened.
And if the lady made a complaint about a MAN being in the locker room and not a TRANSGENDERED, how does that make her a transphobe? Just because her reaction to the situation didn't fit your agenda? Please.
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Member Since: 1/6/2014
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Originally posted by BTrisc
She knew that the individual was a transgendered woman. She took the issue to the corporate office after her gym didn't give her the response she wanted. Also, never did she state that the trans woman was giving her shady glances or any sign of harassment. She simply demonstrated her own discomfort with the transgendered woman being there and went out of her way to get her removed—clearly a violation of the code of conduct.
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How does one determine someone is transgendered?
Unless she was informed before reporting the incident, and couldn't have possibly known. Are you trying to make her seem like a transphobic?
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Originally posted by Trent W
Can you please detail me the exact sentence were it was transphobic
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Im all for respect and everything, but is it okay that a woman who was a man sometime ago shares room with other women?
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Transphobic. Trans women are women, it doesn't matter what they "used to be", they identify as women now. And most trans women go to extreme lengths to "pass" as women just so people won't harass them. Trans women aren't women because they want to use the women's restroom to spy on other women.
Transphobic. Trans people are the gender the identify as.
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My point is not about how I feel, is about much sense will this would make, you can't expect the whole world to be okay with it, one thing is to be respectful and tolerant, and other to give access to a lock room. Is very different.
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Transphobic. Trans people have the right to use the locker room too.
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Yes but they were born men since the beginning, they have no other choice but to stay there. A man that becomes woman is a completely different story. I agree to be tolerant but giving access to a lock room is just too much for most people including me, even a lot of gays here in this forum would agree with me.
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Transphobic. How trans people were born is irrelevant as they no longer identify or never identified with what is between their legs. And what other transphobic gays think doesn't mean you're right.
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There's just no alternative, its an awkward situation in every single angle that you point it out.
Is just that people in this thread can't complain that other women would complain if they are in that awkward situation.
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Transphobic, There's nothing awkward about a trans person using the locker room.
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That's not true, and I've never said anything homophobic or transphobic here, I just see everything from a cold perspective, most member here would directly bash the woman because she doesn't fit their agenda, but she has a very good point that I also brought in this thread.
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Transphobic. Calling someone out for being transphobic is not "having an agenda", it's being a decent person and recognizing trans people have rights too.
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Originally posted by moijejoue
If you read my previous statement correctly then I said if the gym was OK with the transgendered woman using the women's locker room in the first place, then the last making the report wouldn't have her rights stripped away.
As for your second statement, tell that to the men in the Facebook comment who contemplated the idea. It's not a myth. It can and had happened.
And if the lady made a complaint about a MAN being in the locker room and not a TRANSGENDERED, how does that make her a transphobe? Just because her reaction to the situation didn't fit your agenda? Please.
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First off, "transgendered" is a slur. These people are not "transgendered", they're transgender.
It is a myth. The men who do that are not trans women, they're perverts. Being afraid of every trans person in the bathroom because of a few perverted men is ridiculous on all accounts.
The lady was made aware that the woman was a woman and she still had a problem. Simple.
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Member Since: 11/10/2009
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Originally posted by moijejoue
If you read my previous statement correctly then I said if the gym was OK with the transgendered woman using the women's locker room in the first place, then the last making the report wouldn't have her rights stripped away.
As for your second statement, tell that to the men in the Facebook comment who contemplated the idea. It's not a myth. It can and had happened.
And if the lady made a complaint about a MAN being in the locker room and not a TRANSGENDERED, how does that make her a transphobe? Just because her reaction to the situation didn't fit your agenda? Please.
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A man being in a woman's locker room and a trans woman being in a woman's locker room aren't the same thing. Unless the suspected trans woman is giving you shady glances or harassing you in any way, there's no reason to seek action.
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Erase ha!
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Member Since: 11/10/2009
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Originally posted by moijejoue
How does one determine someone is transgendered?
Unless she was informed before reporting the incident, and couldn't have possibly known. Are you trying to make her seem like a transphobic?
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She tried to resolve the issue at her local gym, obviously involving the trans woman at question. The gym has records which would clearly state what the individual identifies herself as.
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#oop
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Member Since: 12/9/2009
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Originally posted by uhoh-ohno
No, it's not a parallel situation.
First of all, let me say that I can’t remember the last time any woman was harmed in a public locker room, dressing room, or bathroom by a man cis gendered or otherwise. So, there’s that, and then, there’s the fact that even though transwomen aren’t cis-women, they are still women, but Homophobic, straight men do not fear gay men because of any safety concerns. So, theoretically, a trans-man could be in a men’s locker room, and probably no one would care.
Women, however, do have reason to fear men. That’s where this is coming from. It’s illogical, given how no one seems to remember the last time a woman was harmed in a public locker/dressing/bathroom by a man, but it’s not your garden variety, straight male homophobia.
The thing is though, based on the OP, the woman was told to stop saying that so and so was a man to other members. PF had a policy. She violated it, and they told her to leave.
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Ok, to clarify, when I said parallel, I was indicating parallel in terms of "awkward situations" and "discomfort"
I respect your argument but part of it is not logical. First of all, you're invoking equivocation to distract from the actual point of my post. The analogy was used to specifically highlight Trent's use of "feeling uncomfortable". The other possibilities in the alternate scenario are irrelevant because they're not the POINT. Imagine someone trying to explain American black slavery to a European that is unfamiliar with the history. "Black slavery was horrible and systematic, similar to the holocaust". The European proceeds to say "What?! How could you say that, many more millions of people were killed in the Holocaust, how could you compare them??" But as you can see, the point of the statement was not how many people died compared to the holocaust, but how horrible and systematic slavery and the holocaust were. The death count is irrelevant because that is not the point of the analogy.
almost everything you've said is pretty irrelevant, I'm not even talking about violence or homophobia. I'm just clarifying that discomfort is not a good reason to discriminate against different individuals, including those that are transgender, gay or otherwise.
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Looks like Goosey found a replacement while he was banned
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