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Celeb News: Patricia Arquette: Gay People Need to Help Women's Rights
Member Since: 10/17/2009
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I'm as much a feminist as I am a supporter of LGBT rights but until gay marriage is legal in all 50 states and we can no longer be fired just for being gay in like 30 something states, that should be the focus of the LGBT community. But I agree, everyone needs to band together in support of women's pay equality.
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Brava! She gave an impassioned speech.
As a gay man I personally feel that I should remain uninvolved with women and their rights. If I can vote for anything they want to get passed I will, but I am a man and I could never understand their struggle.
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Originally posted by Priyanka Chopra
I don't see where she said that anywhere in the quote. She said that it's important for everyone to stand up for women's rights and included other minority groups. She'd say that everyone needs to stabd up for those minority groups too.
Also, women's struggles are aligned with LGBT struggles. Feminists were the first to support LGBT activists. And you said in another post that it's not a contest so why are you making it one?
How did she forget non-white women? She said people of color because their struggle is not the same as the female struggle. A woman of color goes through two struggles so if anything not mentioning people of color wouldn't be inclusive.
We are gaining rights and even if we're gaining rights slower it doesn't mean we shouldn't support others. The world is bigger than ourselves.
Um... Patricia Arquette is one of the biggest celebrity LGBT advocates out there long before you were born. You're complaining because the words are off-putting? Why not care about the meaning behind those words?
Really? I live in New York City and I asked a female friend today if she wants to go out for dinner later. She said let's go a little earlier because it's not safe to go home so late for her. I never have to worry about going home at 10 PM.
She does. When have you marched?
Women's rights are about more than equal wages and even women are killed, raped, beaten and sexually exploited around the world. Where have you been?
She never even said that. She's trying to be inclusive by pointing out all minority positions.
Actually, not delusional. Feminist groups first the first back in the 19th century to support abolitionist movements and gay rights movements in the 1970s , etc.
Bitch? Be careful. Your true colors are being exposed. Calling her a bitch just because she calls on everyone to support women?
She never said LGBT is an organization. She called on all PEOPLE. And gays should ask that. Many women do come to answer and support us.
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Well said.
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Member Since: 10/17/2009
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Originally posted by that G.U.Y.
Brava! She gave an impassioned speech.
As a gay man I personally feel that I should remain uninvolved with women and their rights. If I can vote for anything they want to get passed I will, but I am a man and I could never understand their struggle.
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That's a truly ignorant point of view. Being a gay man you should ABSOLUTELY get involved with women and their rights. Just ****ing absurd. They've helped our cause along substantially. We should absolutely do everything we can for them, not just vote on something. Ugh, gays are the worst sometimes. (I'm gay myself, so)
And to OprahIsBlack educating everyone in here!
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by JonnyϟLightning
Stop trying to make oppression a contest.
Women have it relatively easier than gays in the ME. Whereas women are beaten, LGBT are denied the right to live
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You're the one trying to turn it into a contest, all Patricia was saying is that all opressed groups need to be there for each other. It's not about who has it worst, it's about helping everyone whose life is in any way bad due to who they are. She is right. Feminism as a movement has always supported the LGBT community, we need to reciprocate that support.
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Member Since: 12/1/2010
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Everyone should fight for equality.
A lot of people expect minorities to fight for other minorities, but everyone's experience is a bit different and empathy is not easy to learn. Hopefully one day it'll be easier because by the end we all want to be treated as equal citizens.
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Originally posted by ShineOverShadow
That's a truly ignorant point of view. Being a gay man you should ABSOLUTELY get involved with women and their rights. Just ****ing absurd. They've helped our cause along substantially. We should absolutely do everything we can for them, not just vote on something. Ugh, gays are the worst sometimes. (I'm gay myself, so)
And to OprahIsBlack educating everyone in here!
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Hi, I have had women personally tell me to my face that they think homosexuality is wrong and don't want anything to do with me. She told me that my kids would grow up to killers and molesters. After that incident I understand that I cannot be apart of that group.
Maybe when women of all color and class join together as a unified front I can be more involved, but as it stands they lack leadership and organization.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by P!nkism
Ok let me make this clearer for you.
Why does she say the LGBT community ISN'T fighting? How does she know? Does she know every Lesbian/Gay/Bi/Trans person in the world?
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Because ****ing are we? I don't spend all my time engrossed in the world of social action, so IDK much off the top of my head, but ARE WE?
Are organizations like the HRC stepping up in situations like this Hobby Lobby anti-birth control BS and going "Hey, wait a minute, that's ****ed up, let's get involved here"? Or anything else?
If you can find me instances of such a thing happening, please do, and then maybe I'll see your point, but if you CAN'T find any, then she's exactly ****ing right. ARE ACTUAL POLITICAL GROUPS/ORGANIZATIONS WITH MONEY AND POWER WHICH CONSIST OF GAY MEN FIGHTING ACTUAL FIGHTS SPECIFICALLY FOR WOMEN?
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Again it's like if gays said: WHY AREN'T WOMEN HELPING the gay rights movement (just cause some/many women are homophobic, Sarah Palin had a huge female following and groups like "Concerned Moms" or "1Million Moms" exist.
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WOMEN ARE HELPING US THOUGH. There are concrete, definitive times where feminist groups and organizations, in between fighting their own fight, have stood up against instances of homophobia and campaigned against them and helped us. This makes the instances of a single woman here or there irrelevant, it's not about what any individual is doing, it's about groups and organizations fighting causes in effective ways.
I can't believe I'm having to explain something so simple to a P!nk stan. I'd expect us to be more enlightened.
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Member Since: 2/16/2010
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I completely agree with everything she said last night.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by P!nkism
THE LGBT COMMUNITY DOES FIGHT FOR WOMEN! Those women the LGBT community fights for include Lesbians and trans women (especially of color (who btw are being KILLED in the US every ****ing day/week)) or are these people not part of the WOMEN she's talking about?
Bitch shut up...
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She's talking about women who aren't also a part of the LGBT community, you idiot. Are we standing the **** up for them, too?
Are people who fall under every category of the LGBT community, including those who identify as male, being the equivalent to women that straight female Allies can be to the LGBT community?
She's talking about people from one disenfranchised group reaching out to those in another disenfranchised group. Obviously the LGBT community is going to ****ing help our own whether they're men or women, what an irrelevant point.
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Originally posted by ShineOverShadow
I'm as much a feminist as I am a supporter of LGBT rights but until gay marriage is legal in all 50 states and we can no longer be fired just for being gay in like 30 something states, that should be the focus of the LGBT community. But I agree, everyone needs to band together in support of women's pay equality.
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I don't think she's telling us to prioritize other people's needs before ours. We should care about other people too because it's part of being a responsible citizen. And pay equality is not the only issue women deal with. You should go to your local police precinct and ask them for crime statistics and you'll be disgusted. It's not even safe for women after dark in "developed" places.
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Originally posted by that G.U.Y.
Hi, I have had women personally tell me to my face that they think homosexuality is wrong and don't want anything to do with me. She told me that my kids would grow up to killers and molesters. After that incident I understand that I cannot be apart of that group.
Maybe when women of all color and class join together as a unified front I can be more involved, but as it stands they lack leadership and organization.
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What you're saying is like saying you can't be involved with [insert racial group] because people of that group committed a crime against you. It was those individuals, not the while group or causes that support them.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by Chemical X.
honestly, smh as if we can't fight for both at the same time girl BYE
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Obviously that's what she's asking us to do. She's not asking us to drop our causes and pick up hers, but rather to pick up her causes here and there where we can when we get a break from dealing with our own.
The WILLFUL misinterpretation of her statements people are showing here. SO many of you can't be SO absolutely stupid as to think she meant what you're saying you think she meant.
Go back to school, all of you.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Some of the comments in here make me SO ASHAMED and sick to my stomach. You'd expect a marginalized group to be able to sympathize with another, but no, of course we must cause a fit because group x has it worse than group y or vice-versa!!
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I don't see anything offensive about what she said. If the issue is that many "people of color" and gay people are women too, I'm more than positive that she knows that. I think her point is to include all minorities and say we should support each other and that women still need help too because so many people are under the impression that women are doing fine, but they're not. Of course there's going to overlap within minority groups (women, racial minorities, gay people, etc.)
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Originally posted by Roman Holiday
No, they're just the ones being beaten to death and treated like slaves in the middle east.
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What are you going on about? Women definitely have a long way to go in the Middle East, but getting "beaten to death and treated like slaves"? I think you're confusing the Middle East with third world rural countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan. They are not in the Middle East.
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Originally posted by JonnyϟLightning
Women have it relatively easier than gays in the ME. Whereas women are beaten, LGBT are denied the right to live
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Again, I think you're confusing a different part of Asia with the Middle East. Gay men getting killed in the Middle East is very rare and women are rarely beaten. As for women having it easier, that's arguable. Most gay men pass and aren't known to be gay so they live more comfortable lives. There's no hiding for women unless they stay at home or cover up, which is probably why they do.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by Priyanka Chopra
I don't see where she said that anywhere in the quote. She said that it's important for everyone to stand up for women's rights and included other minority groups. She'd say that everyone needs to stabd up for those minority groups too.
Also, women's struggles are aligned with LGBT struggles. Feminists were the first to support LGBT activists. And you said in another post that it's not a contest so why are you making it one?
How did she forget non-white women? She said people of color because their struggle is not the same as the female struggle. A woman of color goes through two struggles so if anything not mentioning people of color wouldn't be inclusive.
We are gaining rights and even if we're gaining rights slower it doesn't mean we shouldn't support others. The world is bigger than ourselves.
Um... Patricia Arquette is one of the biggest celebrity LGBT advocates out there long before you were born. You're complaining because the words are off-putting? Why not care about the meaning behind those words?
Really? I live in New York City and I asked a female friend today if she wants to go out for dinner later. She said let's go a little earlier because it's not safe to go home so late for her. I never have to worry about going home at 10 PM.
She does. When have you marched?
Women's rights are about more than equal wages and even women are killed, raped, beaten and sexually exploited around the world. Where have you been?
She never even said that. She's trying to be inclusive by pointing out all minority positions.
Actually, not delusional. Feminist groups first the first back in the 19th century to support abolitionist movements and gay rights movements in the 1970s , etc.
Bitch? Be careful. Your true colors are being exposed. Calling her a bitch just because she calls on everyone to support women?
She never said LGBT is an organization. She called on all PEOPLE. And gays should ask that. Many women do come to answer and support us.
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Someone gets it.
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Can we get the correct distinction women dont make less than men they make less than white men white women make more than almost every man of color.
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I get what she's saying to be honest
Kinda messy wording though.
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Originally posted by classiccity98
Can we get the correct distinction women dont make less than men they make less than white men white women make more than almost every man of color.
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Educate them.
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by OprahIsBlack
POC are notoriously homophobic as a community largely due to their strong religious beliefs. In fact, POC having a strong turnout to vote for Obama in 2008 was one of the main factors in Prop 8 passing in California.
One of the SPECIFIC things achieved by the Black Civil Rights Movement in the 60s was the overturning of miscegenation laws, which banned interracial marriage.
You were specifically given your right to marry who you want as a result of a social movement, so for you to have the gall to then turn around and try to DENY OTHERS of that same right in their social movement is hypocritical and C U Next Tuesdayish.
If black people felt offended by the insinuation that they as a cultural group are not standing up for others' civil rights, maybe it's because there's some truth to the accusation.
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can people stop putting this myth out there BLACK PEOPLE ARE NOT THE MOST HOMOPHOBIC AT ALL. Black people make up the biggest majority of the lgbt community and its odd how people keep bringing up prop 8 who made the bill a WHITE MAN who makes most anti gay discrimination laws WHITE MEN get outta here with that ********.
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Originally posted by classiccity98
can people stop putting this myth out there BLACK PEOPLE ARE NOT THE MOST HOMOPHOBIC AT ALL. Black people make up the biggest majority of the lgbt community and its odd how people keep bringing up prop 8 who made the bill a WHITE MAN who makes most anti gay discrimination laws WHITE MEN get outta here with that ********.
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Black people making up the majority of the LGBT community doesn't contradict the fact homophobia is rampant among the black community. That said, I agree with the rest of the post. It's not like black Americans actually oppress gay people or have much power to do so.
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