So people from both sides have camped out near the courthouse.
This is Freedom To Marry's latest video. The organization says they'll close if the Supreme Court rules in favor of gay marriage.
Meanwhile The National Organization For Marriage who campaigned 2005-2012 to pass constitutional bans on gay marriage says they'll now become the International Organization For Marriage and start polluting other countries Looks like they know their golden ticket is gone.
This is so disgusting. Keep your prejudices to yourself and accept defeat. All they do is make life a living hell for LGBT people in countries where they probably weren't even thinking of getting marriage.
This is so disgusting. Keep your prejudices to yourself and accept defeat. All they do is make life a living hell for LGBT people in countries where they probably weren't even thinking of getting marriage.
South America's wising up and passing laws so they're a no-go to NOM. I expect their targets to be Central America, the Caribbean (easy since some countries already outlaw homosexuality) and Africa (same as Caribbean). They may try Eastern Europe, but I hope the EU courts in the near future rule that same-sex unions are a right. That'll teach 'em.
True some states will try it, but Indiana's flop really made them be more cautious. You'd think TEXAS would streamline those bills, but even there they are stalled in the legislature. Signature collection has already started to put a repeal of the Arkansas law to voters in 2016 and Governor Pence is hiring top dogs to improve his 20 point dip in approval ratings.
We need heightened scrutiny to take down any of these, we lost our chance in Lawrence v Texas and DOMA, this might be the last for a long time
We have four Justices that are liberal, four that are conservative and one that depends on the case. I hope our dear Ruth holds out until Democrats take control of the Senate in the future so that way they can elect more liberal judges.
You're forgetting about Gov Bobby Jindal in Louisiana though. I think he'll get such a law passed. But I think whether those laws are passed or not, you'll get citizens that will sue the state for fines they'll receive for refusing to serve gays because of their religious beliefs.
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But back to the Supreme Court. I think atleast 6 out of 9 judges are for gay marriage. I think the main issue will be whether or not it should be up to states to decide..
I think Kennedy and Roberts, might think that it should be up to states to decide, but will be uneasy with TAKING away the rights of gay couples that have enjoys the legal benefits (taxes etc) of marriage for so long.
I can't wait to hear the questions they'll ask both sides next week!
South America's wising up and passing laws so they're a no-go to NOM. I expect their targets to be Central America, the Caribbean (easy since some countries already outlaw homosexuality) and Africa (same as Caribbean). They may try Eastern Europe, but I hope the EU courts in the near future rule that same-sex unions are a right. That'll teach 'em.
The Caribbean countries have tight bonds with a lot of European countries. Most, if not all, recognize same sex marriage even though you're not allowed to marry there. For example if you're married in the Netherlands, you'll be recognized as being married in Aruba, Bonaire and the other islands. The Caribbean islands as a whole are way more progressive than some USA states and most definitely way more progressive than Africa and the Middle East.
You're forgetting about Gov Bobby Jindal in Louisiana though. I think he'll get such a law passed. But I think whether those laws are passed or not, you'll get citizens that will sue the state for fines they'll receive for refusing to serve gays because of their religious beliefs.
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But back to the Supreme Court. I think atleast 6 out of 9 judges are for gay marriage. I think the main issue will be whether or not it should be up to states to decide..
I think Kennedy and Roberts, might think that it should be up to states to decide, but will be uneasy with TAKING away the rights of gay couples that have enjoys the legal benefits (taxes etc) of marriage for so long.
I can't wait to hear the questions they'll ask both sides next week!
Yeah Jindal's OBSESSION lately is passing that bill. He even said screw you to businesses he'll pass it and he doesn't care what anyone says *a Cartman tea*
2 days I didn't follow much until DOMA actually died and Prop 8 with it in June 2013, but ever since then I've been on every marriage case and have followed the road to freedom
South America's wising up and passing laws so they're a no-go to NOM. I expect their targets to be Central America, the Caribbean (easy since some countries already outlaw homosexuality) and Africa (same as Caribbean). They may try Eastern Europe, but I hope the EU courts in the near future rule that same-sex unions are a right. That'll teach 'em.
In DR we already have a Constitutional ban, so I hope these people don't come here trying to outlaw gay sex or pro-gay speech/expression. There's also a youth-protection paragraph in our Constitution that could be selectively be read that way and with a possible Constitutional convention looming in our heads (the current President wants to be reelected), I'd be wary of the little changes conservative groups might advocate for, considering the recent increase in LGBT talk around politicians, diplomats and the general public.
A mess like that would definitely put me on activist mode. Like, go back to mow your damn rotten lawn and leave us alone.
The Caribbean countries have tight bonds with a lot of European countries. Most, if not all, recognize same sex marriage even though you're not allowed to marry there. For example if you're married in the Netherlands, you'll be recognized as being married in Aruba, Bonaire and the other islands. The Caribbean islands as a whole are way more progressive than some USA states and most definitely way more progressive than Africa and the Middle East.
Luckily, all continents have some kind of regional High Court. In the Americas it's the Inter-American Commission Of Human Rights. The threat of a lawsuit there already got Chile to legislate for marriage in the near future Some countries are also taking sodomy laws to courts as well, Belize/Guyana/Trinidad.
Yeah Jindal's OBSESSION lately is passing that bill. He even said screw you to businesses he'll pass it and he doesn't care what anyone says *a Cartman tea*
2 days I didn't follow much until DOMA actually died and Prop 8 with it in June 2013, but ever since then I've been on every marriage case and have followed the road to freedom
I followed DOMA and Prop 8 somewhat, but this is the first time I'll be listening to the arguments and stuff. It's one of the most important cases in a long time.
Both sides will be kissing up to Judge Kennedy.
I wonder how these questions will be answered this time around...
Justice Kennedy asked in Hollingsworth: “Do you believe [a ban on same-sex marriage] can be treated as a gender-based classification? It’s a difficult question that I’ve been trying to wrestle with.”
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How can the Constitution strike down a definition of marriage that was not created with discriminatory intent? Chief Justice John Roberts, in Hollingsworth, described opposite-sex marriage as an “institution that’s been around since time immemorial.” He stated: “I’m not sure that it’s right to view this as excluding a particular group. When the institution of marriage developed historically, people didn’t get around and say let’s have this institution, but let’s keep out homosexuals.”
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Yeah. I expect a lot of fundamentalist questions about marriage and original intent of the 14th Amendment.
Also, Solicitor General is probably going to get a huge dose of anti-federalism.
So people from both sides have camped out near the courthouse.
This is Freedom To Marry's latest video. The organization says they'll close if the Supreme Court rules in favor of gay marriage.
Meanwhile The National Organization For Marriage who campaigned 2005-2012 to pass constitutional bans on gay marriage says they'll now become the International Organization For Marriage and start polluting other countries Looks like they know their golden ticket is gone.
eh, i wouldn't worry too much about that. most industrialized countries are more accepting about this than america is, at least as far as i know from being around people from there. they certainly won't get anywhere in europe unless it's in the far eastern part of it, south america is probably a no go too, australia and new zealand won't do anything, mexico is probably safe too, and most of asia that doesn't already prohibit it doesn't care. i guess they could try central america but i doubt they would listen to a bunch of random americans coming into their country and doing absolutely no good for them yet still yelling at them to change their policies and saying they're immoral
Meanwhile The National Organization For Marriage who campaigned 2005-2012 to pass constitutional bans on gay marriage says they'll now become the International Organization For Marriage and start polluting other countries Looks like they know their golden ticket is gone.
When people like this think they could ever get a foothold outside of America.
They do know that, by and large, the rest of the western world is more liberal than us, right? The delusion.
When people like this think they could ever get a foothold outside of America.
They do know that, by and large, the rest of the western world is more liberal than us, right? The delusion.
Yup they want to get a hold of Eastern Europe (have already tried to do it sneakily) but they don't realize (or pretend not to) is that EU is PRO-gay rights and that except for Belarus/Russia all the remaining countries want to join EU and will have to live up to the Union's standards
The only strong argument the opponents have is biology, which is another wording of the procreation argument. It's a fundamentalist position, so I wonder how is Bonauto going to get around that and untangle marriage from procreation and the "complementarity of man and woman."