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Discussion: Apple exposed
Member Since: 9/12/2012
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I feel like many people are, unfortunately, missing Dark_Lorde's point here. Not once did he tell anyone to stop buying Apple products, go make picket signs, and stand outside Apple corporation in San Diego demanding they stop making children work under extremely unhealthy conditions immediately. All he made this thread for was to tell people about some of the unethical business practices that Apple uses for the sake of a dollar.
He also never once said Apple was the only corporation to use child labor.
A really good example of this would be if you had a corrupt mayor in your city. You don't HAVE to move out of that city to show you don't approve of their actions; rather, you TELL THEM why you don't approve. If enough people show their dislike for what that mayor, you can bet that they'd change something to stay in office. Likewise, Apple would surely change whatever you wanted them to if they knew enough people WANTED change.
Apple wants to stay the top dog in the smart phone market, and I'm positive they'd do whatever it takes to do it.
Also, I can't help but agree with Dark_Lorde. I won't stop anyone from buying Apple products, but just know what you're buying, rather than buying it because of the name attached to it.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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I knew about the China thing when I ordered my iPad Air last year, it was coming from some shady China part but I really don't care :-/
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Hugamari
I feel like many people are, unfortunately, missing Dark_Lorde's point here. Not once did he tell anyone to stop buying Apple products, go make picket signs, and stand outside Apple corporation in San Diego demanding they stop making children work under extremely unhealthy conditions immediately. All he made this thread for was to tell people about some of the unethical business practices that Apple uses for the sake of a dollar.
He also never once said Apple was the only corporation to use child labor.
A really good example of this would be if you had a corrupt mayor in your city. You don't HAVE to move out of that city to show you don't approve of their actions; rather, you TELL THEM why you don't approve. If enough people show their dislike for what that mayor, you can bet that they'd change something to stay in office. Likewise, Apple would surely change whatever you wanted them to if they knew enough people WANTED change.
Apple wants to stay the top dog in the smart phone market, and I'm positive they'd do whatever it takes to do it.
Also, I can't help but agree with Dark_Lorde. I won't stop anyone from buying Apple products, but just know what you're buying, rather than buying it because of the name attached to it.
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The point is though EVERYTHING comes from China with these conditions.
These companies exist in already poor places. Apple are giving people who would normally just die from starvation a job.
It's a cruel cycle but it's not up to us to fix it. We just don't have the power.
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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This is disgusting Luckily I only buy flagship Google phones which has the best employee ratings ever
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Originally posted by Kayhan
why do you try to expose something ALL THE TIME?
don't you have a life?
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OT: I still be using my 5S till 7S come out.
About the price, it is IMPOSSIBLE to sell it with book value. There is r&d, workers etc.. Don't be ridiculous.
But really what we can do? Do you expect Apple to bankrupt if these gays don't but the new extraordinary beautiful and innovative iPhone 6/+?
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Innovative? Have you ever heard of Android?
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by Bríseis
54% of the US tax money goes to the military, more than 60% of that to support weapons manufacturers and exporters, so thanks, you just made me love Apple even more
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Unless you're a full-on libertarian you wouldn't be against taxes. If you're a republican, you like how taxes go to roads, charter schools, and the military. If you're a democrat, you like taxes for going to a shitton of social programs and public schools.
So I'm guessing you're a hardcore libertarian?
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 2,083
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
When am I "exposing" things?
I encourage you to take a look at the threads I have created.
Anyways, to answer your rather rude question. I work full time, Have been to uni, have an active social life, travel all the time and I also have an interest in the world. It's something I like to read about, learn about and I'm interested in corporate branding. I can do whatever I want in my free time and it's kinda ridiclious that you have an expectation that those that don't fit into what you deem a life don't have one.
OT: I know you'd continue to buy one, I can tell you're that type of person based on your comments.
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drag ha!
We've known for years Apple as a company are unethical. It's a rather thin line, I personally think that me and them share a professional relationship, they have something I want, I have something they want (lmao). But yeah, the article is quite upsetting.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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This isn't new info, Apple are known for avoiding tax.
Smart business if you ask me
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Haus
That's interesting.
Just preordered my 64GB 6 Plus!
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Member Since: 3/25/2011
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My whole life I had given 0 ****s about this kind of stuff, but lately my eyes have been opened, I think of it especially when I see Apple worship themselves, calling every breath of air an "innovation" and how the millions of the fans parrot that exact motion. Meanwhile, they aren't even paying their taxes. That's deplorable.
I wish that we, as a society could have an awakening to these kind of things and become more ethical consumers. I would have to make a lot of changes as well. The problems that are highlighted in Apple here really is the tip of an iceberg though. A tip of ONE iceberg in a sea of millions.
There are more destructive abuses of power that exist in the world. It's a downside to capitalism. People surrender everything to the dollar.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Eaten By Lions
My whole life I had given 0 ****s about this kind of stuff, but lately my eyes have been opened, I think of it especially when I see Apple worship themselves, calling every breath of air an "innovation" and how the millions of the fans parrot that exact motion. Meanwhile, they aren't even paying their taxes. That's deplorable.
I wish that we, as a society could have an awakening to these kind of things and become more ethical consumers. I would have to make a lot of changes as well. The problems that are highlighted in Apple here really is the tip of an iceberg though. A tip of ONE iceberg in a sea of millions.
There are more destructive abuses of power that exist in the world. It's a downside to capitalism. People surrender everything to the dollar.
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Damn that was amazing
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Quietly Trek
No, I read the last sentence. The symbolic price is not important to me at this moment.
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This is why I can't take some people seriously. If it doesn't affect you directly, it's not your problem eh?
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Ari Auris
This is disgusting Luckily I only buy flagship Google phones which has the best employee ratings ever
Innovative? Have you ever heard of Android?
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Best employee ratings perhaps in the US. If the parts are made in China, they are exposed to these conditions.
Anything made in China is exposed to these conditions. Watch any documentary.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Um, do you even know how technology works? This happens with EVERY company.
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Member Since: 12/9/2009
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Originally posted by gloamingtheplain
It's a cruel cycle but it's not up to us to fix it. We just don't have the power.
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This is what people in privileged positions tell themselves to feel better. Disgusting.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Won't stop me from buying their flawless products.
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Interesting
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Member Since: 9/4/2012
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Originally posted by RatedG²
This is why I can't take some people seriously. If it doesn't affect you directly, it's not your problem eh?
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No, at this moment, it's not my concern. I have other pressing priorities that take precedence.
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Member Since: 2/6/2014
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Originally posted by Newt
This is what people in privileged positions tell themselves to feel better. Disgusting.
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by Ari Auris
Unless you're a full-on libertarian you wouldn't be against taxes. If you're a republican, you like how taxes go to roads, charter schools, and the military. If you're a democrat, you like taxes for going to a shitton of social programs and public schools.
So I'm guessing you're a hardcore libertarian?
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First, Im not a republican, democrat or liberal. Im not American. Im centre/moderate.
Second, Im not against taxes. I just dont like the way how is US government spending them, because it affects the whole world, considering the US foreign politics and the fact that you are the worlds biggest weapons producers and exporters. Instead of using 54% of your tax money on military and weapons, how about to invest at least part of that money into health care or social system, roads or public schools etc... Thats what Im saying.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Newt
This is what people in privileged positions tell themselves to feel better. Disgusting.
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The idiocy is too much
My point is that these kids are already exposed to horrible conditions. Already. Companies PAY them and allow them to put a roof over their heads. Without it, these kids live on the street.
The only action I can do is stop supporting these companies, right? And when everyone else follows suit, these companies stop hiring these kids and they are even worse off.
Which is why I said it's a cruel circle.
I'm not condoning what happens though, and I wish I had the power to change it. But I don't.
In the nicest way possible, unless you guys are working toward world peace and have figured it all out, you basically are in the same boat as myself.
Have you got an achievable plan? Hmmm? There are people elected in power who are choosing to do nothing. The most I can do right now is give to charity, which even I'm finding hard because of my work barely giving me hours.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
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Perhaps with all that money you said you spent travelling could go towards this apparently easy project you have going on?
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