You clearly get your life from representing the minority view of Kelly's vocals (evidence - this poll - a landslide ... not even close). Paws up, Little Chimierster.
You must've come up with that conclusion the same way you came up with that 798/890 post ratio!
You're actually trying to dangle an ATRL poll in my face as if it's some kind of proof, validity or reliable source?It's that deep for you, huh? Oh ye of no life and IQ......
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See you in three months or whenever else you feel the need to get into another incoherant stan war. Bai.
LMAO at you using a word that you can't even spell. I'd go one step further and say that you probably don't even know what it means. Poor that.
You're a troll if you believe that Kelly screams. She is one of the few rare artists who actually know how to sing and use proper technique. Christina screams. Not Kelly.
Very excited for your return - now I can once again view your 56k modem-compatible avatar (did you crop/edit it on microsoft paint?) and wonder what kind of internet troll is behind the screen. I mean - really, who is the creature from the lagoon I can only spot seething in threads where his fave is losing a poll to America's vocal idol? My guess is you're one of those overweight men from the sex offender database who mostly passes the day cleaning the scum developing between his fat rolls with an industrial brush. Let me be more charitable - you recently got a certification in cosmetology (congrats), but you haven't found work yet - so you have nothing better to do then seethe in Kelly v Beyonce forums BECAUSE you're collecting unemployment pay from home, counting the days until your next jobless benefit check. See you in three months or so when the next Kelly vs. Beyonce thread comes out. Until then - Bai.
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You must've come up with that conclusion the same way you came up with that 798/890 post ratio!
LMAOOO at you trying to dangle an ATRL poll in my face as some kind of proof. Oh ye of no IQ......
Seethe a bit. But who's winning this poll? Seems like nothing you're saying is making much of an impact. What's the point of posting if not to influence opinion here on ATRL? Clearly you're not persuasive and just as irrelevant as you've always been to most conversations.
I do express my condolences to you and your lo-fi avatar - the death of your relevance truly causes me to feel a small bit of sorrow.
But, that's the thing, though..
about 80% of the time, he actually does know what he's talking about . The realms of vocal pedagogy doesn't rely on personal preferences or opinionated bias. Although a bit shrewd, Chimier makes valid points.
When he talks about Kelly though, it seems like he has an extreme bias against her and his judgment is severely clouded by it. He has said that she sings like a "screaming banshee", she has no control over most of her voice, and her belts are "screams/screeches/yelps". I think its pretty clear to see that that is anything but an unbiased statement.... For someone whose voice has only improved over the 12 years of her career, whose voice has gotten a ton of acclaim, and who has been asked to sing for numerous extremely high profile events, I fail to see how any of those things are accurate (not to mention, its pretty clear for an unbiased listener to be able to tell that she does have control over her voice, she has well placed belts, etc.
You're a troll if you believe that Kelly screams. She is one of the few rare artists who actually know how to sing and use proper technique. Christina screams. Not Kelly.
No breath support. No resonance. The louder the sound, the more tension it picks up. Only properly functions in one octave of sound (E4-F#5), [below that is atrophic and higher than that is screamed)
Proper technique: the voice sits on the breath, balanced scale in the entire range, no distortion when the voice picks up volume, open throat throughout, centered in pitch.
While Kelly may seem to have more power, Beyoncé has better vocal control and can contain and hit the correct notes, with her voice straining. I also think Beyonce has a better breath control, vibrato, tone, and over all better technique. There's more to singing than just how high your voice can go. It deals with technique and sound as well.
And in my opinion, Beyonce has a better sound, and control than Kelly. And that's why i believe she's a better volcalist than her. Because in the long run Beyonce will still be able to sing these amazing notes/belts that she's doing now.
This also goes with debates about Beyoncé vs. X-Tina
It was still Beyoncé's voice, which was better than Kelly's.
Not to mention the fact that She's performed it live numerous times.
Kelly could never touch Beys 2004 National anthem performance anyway.
And I didn't say Bey never sings live. I just pointed out two performances on the same event, at the same climatic conditions and who did it live, to show de difference between the two. Jesus
No, I'd rather laugh a bit...the way I did when I read your fanfiction summary about me.
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But who's winning this poll? Seems like nothing you're saying is making much of an impact. What's the point of posting if not to influence opinion here on ATRL? Clearly you're not persuasive and just as irrelevant as you've always been to most conversations.
Yet the irony is that you're here showering me with your attention.
Sorry, my purpose here isn't to convince the dense and dull of the truth. I am posting because I have things to say.
"Making much of an impact...irrelevance"...this is ATRL. Not the music industry. Could you be any more lame and confused? (rhetorical question, BTW).
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I do express my condolences to you and your lo-fi avatar - the death of your relevance truly causes me to feel a small bit of sorrow.
To express something takes a level of intelligence that you don't have. But hey, all you can do is try. I wish that I'd like to commend you for that.
Death of my relevance? What LMAOOO? You just spout absolute **** and think you're doing something effective, when in fact, all you're showing me is your diploma from the T. Ryhard High School of Struggle.
You're incredibly ****ing dense and oh so proud of it. It's funny, I'll admit, but just quit while you're behind.
When he talks about Kelly though, it seems like he has an extreme bias against her and his judgment is severely clouded by it. He has said that she sings like a "screaming banshee", she has no control over most of her voice, and her belts are "screams/screeches/yelps". I think its pretty clear to see that that is anything but an unbiased statement.... For someone whose voice has only improved over the 12 years of her career, whose voice has gotten a ton of acclaim, and who has been asked to sing for numerous extremely high profile events, I fail to see how any of those things are accurate (not to mention, its pretty clear for an unbiased listener to be able to tell that she does have control over her voice, she has well placed belts, etc.
Do you all enjoy adding 1+1 together and making 12? Acclaim for one's voice and being asked to sing for high events has absolutely NOTHING to do with vocal control and how good a singer's technique is. There is NO correlation. None.
Everytime she picks up volume, it becomes raspy and coarse and her pitch falls out of the center. That is a sign of....DAMAGE. That didn't used to happen in her early years. It's been happening for a while now because her voice is...DAMAGED. There is a lack of proper registration in her voice when she sings. Her lower register is just air, the middle register isn't solid, the belting is full of tension and she doesn't create much sound in the upper register. Those are signs of....LACK OF TECHNIQUE.
See? That wasn't too hard, was it?
Do you all enjoy adding 1+1 together and making 12? Acclaim for one's voice and being asked to sing for high events has absolutely NOTHING to do with vocal control and how good a singer's technique is. There is NO correlation. None.
Everytime she picks up volume, it becomes raspy and coarse and her pitch falls out of the center. That is a sign of....DAMAGE. That didn't used to happen in her early years. It's been happening for a while now because her voice is...DAMAGED. There is a lack of proper registration in her voice when she sings. Her lower register is just air, the middle register isn't solid, the belting is full of tension and she doesn't create much sound in the upper register. Those are signs of....LACK OF TECHNIQUE.
See? That wasn't too hard, was it?
It's not like that's the only reason....I was just using that again as more support to what I'm saying. And you don't see people like Britney, Carly Rae, Ellie, etc tons more being asked to sing the national anthem at the Superbowl, or Ave Maria for the Pope, or at the Presidential Inauguration Ceremony.
"Everytime she picks up volume, it becomes raspy and coarse and her pitch falls out of the center" This is just one tiny example of why I can't take what you say seriously. You make ridiculous blanket statements like this.
And "her lower register is just air" is another one, like come on. At least try to not let your bias show.
And she does create PLENTY of sound in the upper register, that's pretty clear to see. She's a powerhouse singer. It's pretty clear she has great technique.
You know, you can just admit that for whatever reason, you don't like her. You don't have to start making extreme exaggerated remarks about her voice and try to make it sound like you're some innocent, unbiased listener who has apparently found her technique to be oh so ghastly.
XTina is an example of someone with a bad technique, even back in her peak it was evident and it shows now that she can't belt above a C5 without sounding strained. Kelly, on the other hand, is hitting and sustaining A5s better than she was 10 years ago.
Kelly reminds of Alicia Keys. She used to give me so much life in her early years but some deterioration (like Alicia) has happened. Her belts are kind of disgusting now.
While Kelly may seem to have more power, Beyoncé has better vocal control and can contain and hit the correct notes, with her voice straining. I also think Beyonce has a better breath control, vibrato, tone, and over all better technique. There's more to singing than just how high your voice can go. It deals with technique and sound as well.
And in my opinion, Beyonce has a better sound, and control than Kelly. And that's why i believe she's a better volcalist than her. Because in the long run Beyonce will still be able to sing these amazing notes/belts that she's doing now.
This also goes with debates about Beyoncé vs. X-Tina
Without even going into things like "better sound", Beyonce is objectively the better vocalist. A vocalist, like any musician, is a person who uses their instrument (their vocals), thus one who has a higher degree of proficiency with their instrument is the better vocalist. Kelly excels in one narrow area over Beyonce -- G5-G#5 belts, A5 as well by merit of being able to hit it though it's far from impressive, being more an exclamation than an actual belt.
Beyonce has unquestionably stronger low notes, and an unquestionably stronger head voice (it's literally not even a comparison in either category), so the only real debate they can have is in terms of belted notes. Beyonce has a fuller, stronger belting range from the bottom up through the upper-mid category, with things equaling out around E5 or F5. Only on probably F#5 (generally where we could classify "upper register") does Kelly take over, through the aforementioned A5. And it's not even like she's exemplary in that category, she (as a soprano) simply has a higher tessitura than a mezzo, and access to those notes (which she executes in a mediocre fashion). I could get throwing all logic in out the window and going for the impressive upper belts if she was belting with the support, resonance and over all skill like any of the videos Chimier posted, or THIS:
But she's not Kelly is exactly the type of singer someone with minimal knowledge of vocal pedagogy would be most impressed by - artificially wide unconnected vocal range (SHE HIT A WHISTLE NOTE 12 YEARS AGO!), wide belting range on paper regardless of how thin it is at the top (SHE BELTS AN A5!), basically all flash with very little substance or mastery of her instrument... Basically Christina Aguilera-lite.
In summary:
Low Notes: Bey 1-0 Kelly
Mid Belts: Bey 2-0 Kelly
Upper Belts: Bey 2-1 Kelly
Head Voice: Bey 3-1 Kelly.
3>1, Beyonce is the better vocalist.