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Discussion: Is Beyonce at Madonna/MJ level?
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Originally posted by FAME.
No She most certainly has not. But if that's what you want to believe.
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fff @ Madonna having more impact than Michael. It's one thing to try and argue for them being on the same level but to say Madonna is MORE impactful in any way shape or form?
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ATRL cant STAND to see a male artist ontop
Is Madonna the most influential female artist, all aspects considered?yes she is
Madonna is the BLUEPRINT for female artists
Michael however is EVERYONES
blueprint, male or female
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Originally posted by J a y
Wouldn't it be like this? - Elvis Presley and The Beatles
- Michael Jackson, Madonna, Elton John
- Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Celine Dion
- Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, AC/DC, Queen, Rolling Stones
- Britney Spears, Beyoncé, Lady Gaga, Rihanna
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Britney and Gaga are nowhere near Beyoncé's level. Rih still has a bit to go, too.
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
The delusion to think Whitney is on Madonna's level She had a shot back in the 90s but when you put their careers overall side by side? Whitney's last tour before she died sold so poorly, it was embarrassing.
Madonna's ability to get WW hits, good album sales and destroy everyone in touring (the 3 biggest measures of success in the music industry) for so long is unmatched.
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Madonna is more successful than Whitney.
Madonna sold more albums.
Madonna sold more records.
Madonna outclasses her in the touring depart.
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But, that isn't the point the person you quoted was getting at. Everyone knows (especially ATRLers) that success is measured. We do the numbers thing all day, but beyond the stan world, no one knows/cares about numbers. No one cares about mediatraffic. It's about the impression left on the people and the ability to transcend generations. (For example, Celine has sold more albums than any female ever, but her impact is lacking.) You can't just dismiss Whitney when discussing those things because she doesn't have a 400M grossing tour.
I do think Madge has got Whitney beat when it comes to iconicism/imagery and artistic impact, I think she has all the girls beat in those categories, but I wouldn't scoff at someone who said Whitney's influenced more generations. Madonna is the blueprint of the female pop star, no one could ever argue that. She and Janet (who I also believe had greater impact than Whit in some facets) made that. Neither of them though, I believe have influenced as many singers as Whitney.
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yes
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Originally posted by Planet Mars
ATRL cant STAND to see a male artist ontop
Is Madonna the most influential female artist, all aspects considered?yes she is
Madonna is the BLUEPRINT for female artists
Michael however is EVERYONES
blueprint, male or female
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He's a blueprint CAREER wise.
No one wants to follow in his foot steps personally.
Infact that's another good point. Madonna is a SUCESSFUL mother and the epitome of fitness and health.
The pop girls today, say they want to follow in her footsteps both career wise and personally.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
He's a blueprint CAREER wise.
No one wants to follow in his foot steps personally.
Infact that's another good point. Madonna is a SUCESSFUL mother and the epitome of fitness and health.
The pop girls today, say they want to follow in her footsteps both career wise and personally.
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Yes...that's what this thread is talking about. Career's.
Nobody is asking if Beyonce is on MJ/Madonna level's in her personal life
And again absolutely no one is denying or questioning Madonna's impact or influence. It's just not on Michael Jackson level.
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She's on Janet, Whitney, Mariah level.
IMO, Madonna and Michael are on the same level and IMO they're both on Elvis and the Beatles level. The biggest of the legends in their particular arena with unsurpassed and nearly universal impact. Death will make anybody's level seem bigger re: M & M debate.
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Originally posted by Praise Mariallah
But, that isn't the point the person you quoted was getting at. Everyone knows (especially ATRLers) that success is measured. We do the numbers thing all day, but beyond the stan world, no one knows/cares about numbers. No one cares about mediatraffic. It's about the impression left on the people and the ability to transcend generations.
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This is what the girls don't understand.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
He's a blueprint CAREER wise.
No one wants to follow in his foot steps personally.
Infact that's another good point. Madonna is a SUCESSFUL mother and the epitome of fitness and health.
The pop girls today, say they want to follow in her footsteps both career wise and personally.
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Madonna is a level headed Bussiness savvy woman, shes always been in control of everything and for that she has almost EVERY artists beat, the main reason I admire her
But Musically shes not the top
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
Infact that's another good point. Madonna is a SUCESSFUL mother and the epitome of fitness and health.
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She isn't anywhere near that level
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Originally posted by FAME.
Yes...that's what this thread is talking about. Career's.
Nobody is asking if Beyonce is on MJ/Madonna level's in her personal life
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But it's about the impact they have. Madonnas impact extends so far it delves into personal life.
It's all too easy for Jackson fans to say "omg don't being his personal life into it" - fine. I won't.
I can simply say madonnas impact extends not only professionally but personally. Peope look up to her for being able to have a career while maintaining her personal life. So, who's had more impact? - madonnas extends over two levels. Jackson's over one.
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no.
"domination"
LMFAO WHAT?
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Dark Lorde pls stop. Madonna is not on MJ's level commercially or "impact-wise". It is known and considering what that level of fame did to MJ we should be thankful.
Although she DID outlast him. It's a bit like Beyonce and Britney, on a micro scale. Britney has the bigger overall career and much much much bigger peak, but was outlasted by Beyonce in the end.
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Originally posted by J a y
Wouldn't it be like this? - Elvis Presley and The Beatles
- Michael Jackson, Madonna, Elton John
- Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Celine Dion
- Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, AC/DC, Queen, Rolling Stones
- Britney Spears, Beyoncé, Lady Gaga, Rihanna
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Fixed for ya!! In terms of success, tour power, cultural impact, star power, net worth and critical acclaim.
Michael Jackson
Elvis Presley, Madonna, James Brown, Beyonce
Mariah, Celine, Janet, Britney, Tina Turner, Whitney Houston
Pink Flyod, Rolling Stones, Eminem, Jay Z, Tupac
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@ people downplaying Madonna's influence
@ people paying dust and dragging MJ before his death
MJ was bigger than Madonna but saying that Madonna was not even close to MJ's level is completely ridiculous.
Beatle, Elvis, MJ and Madonna are known to be the Big Four and it's not even an argument
The second tier would be Elton John, Mariah, Whitney and Celine. (rock artists not included)
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She has the most potential.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
But it's about the impact they have. Madonnas impact extends so far it delves into personal life.
It's all too easy for Jackson fans to say "omg don't being his personal life into it" - fine. I won't.
I can simply say madonnas impact extends not only professionally but personally. Peope look up to her for being able to have a career while maintaining her personal life. So, who's had more impact? - madonnas extends over two levels. Jackson's over one.
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Dark_Lorde's iconic essays
Are you a Janet fan?, just asking
Either way, back to the argument. Youre acting Like Madonna was the first good mother, fitness pro etc. I dont get it lol
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