|
News: Apple clocks Windows
Member Since: 2/2/2014
Posts: 7,449
|
Quote:
Originally posted by TheSoneNavy
CLOCK HA WITH WINDEX!!!
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 3/15/2013
Posts: 9,153
|
Quote:
Originally posted by maiko
If Microsoft offered Windows 8 upgrades free like Apple did with Mavericks I'm sure these numbers would have been very different.
It's not like Apples 50,000 OS X revisions are that much different by each release anyway.
I swear Mac OS X has been virtually the same since I was 10 years old.
|
Which is the reason why Mac sales are up and PC sales are down.
People don't want a complete redesign when they upgrade. They just want a refresh.
Microsoft should have learnt this with Vista. Then they do it with W8.
Except this time it's causing PC sales to drop and Mac sales to climb.
People just wanted a fancier Windows 7. The fact that Windows 8 is nothing like it was when it started is just messy.
|
|
|
Member Since: 5/9/2012
Posts: 13,858
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 3/15/2013
Posts: 9,153
|
All these Windows peeps running in.
1) Firstly, Windows Defender will not protect ****. My home PC is basically destroyed because I got a virus and all Windows Defender did was 'Windows detects malware" and basically alerts you that you have it. Does it do anything to stop it once it's there? Nope. It just tries to defend, but once it's in, there is no attack.
2) Apple is a premium company. The laptops are premium. Microsoft make the majority of it's money off Windows sales. Microsoft want as many people as they can to upgrade from Windows 7 to 8 to make money. Apple already make the money from the laptop. Microsoft don't. So you can say "Mavericks is free, you can't compare" when the person who upgraded to Mavericks still had to but a $1000+ laptop directly from Apple to use it.
3) Each update comes with loads of features behind the hood rather than changing the design each year. That is how it should be. Windows 7 was basically a slightly redesigned Windows Vista, with improvements in software and not in design. Windows XP was basically Windows 2000 in a new skin. It just focused on changing things behind the scenes, not worrying about an OS re-design. And look at that, they are both considered the best two Windows OS's.
So no, Apple fans are paying (well aren't) for updates that make OSX better behind the scenes like Windows 7 & XP did. Not worrying about a complete redesign like Windows Vista or Windows 8.
4) The adaption rate for Mavericks is higher. But Apple aren't comparing them in a direct "Windows vs Mac OS" battle. They are explaining that with each update, people are more confident taking a jump forward than the majority of Windows users who are still unsure after all this time. That's the argument.
Apple are saying customers will have more confidence upgrading to Yosemite, than Windows users upgrading their system.
|
|
|
Member Since: 9/1/2013
Posts: 20,022
|
That's sad. Why is Apple so clocking left and right lately?
|
|
|
Banned
Member Since: 4/13/2011
Posts: 18,738
|
Whew. 4 Pages over misrepresented data. This one has been milked.
|
|
|
Member Since: 5/4/2012
Posts: 12,811
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Haus
First of all, Apple doesn't market them as new operating systems. If they did, they would be OS 11, OS 12, etc.
Second, 30% of the world and 76% of IT pros are still on Windows XP anyway, so it isn't like adding yearly updates would make much of a difference. Now that Microsoft stopped supporting XP, companies will update to Windows 7 and stick there for 10+ more years because they don't want to touch that Windows 8 mess. As far as learning curves, yearly updates would make it easier if anything since there would be smaller updates instead of adjusting to one large update.
Windows may be used by companies and people who can't afford Macs but the Mac is still the heart of the entertainment and creative industry. Whether it's photo, video, or audio creation, all the professionals use Macs, especially with the new Mac Pro. It's proven that Pro Tools and Photoshop run better on OS X. The IT industry was never Apple's target in the first place so I don't know why you're acting like Apple should be disappointed
|
Youre not looking at this correctly.
It takes companies on average 6 months to PLAN a migration from one OS to another, and thats planning. Not taking in consideration purchasing the right licenses, testing, deploying the new OS with as little downtime as possible and training the staff to use it. (planning training itself is another 3 months, btw) Then you have to make sure business applications can even run on the new platform before anything. Then you have to take into consideration that companies already have Windows 7 License Agreements that are VERY expensive and since Windows 7 is still under support, it makes no sense to change it out and put 8 as it comes out, its a lot more financially viable to just wait till your agreement expires *OR* do what most comapnies do when they initially sign enterprise agreements and buy automatic upgrade rights where they can upgrade the next version of Windows for free.
More people on 7 than 8.1 is not a bad thing at all. As more people start to uprade that number will change. It's only been 2 years (most Enterprise agreements are 3 years and more), XP has only been dead for 2 months, and it well over a year to deploy and upgrade. Windows 7 is still good. Whats the problem?
oh and LMFAO @ this:
Quote:
The IT industry was never Apple's target in the first place
|
Then why is there an OSX Server? The Macbook Pro WAS designed to compete with high end Windows laptops as well.
|
|
|
Member Since: 5/4/2012
Posts: 12,811
|
Quote:
The IT industry was never Apple's target in the first place
|
Just wanted to expand on this quote a little bit more.
If the IT industry was not the sole target, Why are there so few games for Mac?
Why are they expanding their iCloud into a cloud Drive like Google Drive?
Why is there the option to add VPN's in iOS?
|
|
|
Member Since: 4/25/2011
Posts: 41,661
|
Quote:
Originally posted by gloamingtheplain
All these Windows peeps running in.
1) Firstly, Windows Defender will not protect ****. My home PC is basically destroyed because I got a virus and all Windows Defender did was 'Windows detects malware" and basically alerts you that you have it. Does it do anything to stop it once it's there? Nope. It just tries to defend, but once it's in, there is no attack.
2) Apple is a premium company. The laptops are premium. Microsoft make the majority of it's money off Windows sales. Microsoft want as many people as they can to upgrade from Windows 7 to 8 to make money. Apple already make the money from the laptop. Microsoft don't. So you can say "Mavericks is free, you can't compare" when the person who upgraded to Mavericks still had to but a $1000+ laptop directly from Apple to use it.
3) Each update comes with loads of features behind the hood rather than changing the design each year. That is how it should be. Windows 7 was basically a slightly redesigned Windows Vista, with improvements in software and not in design. Windows XP was basically Windows 2000 in a new skin. It just focused on changing things behind the scenes, not worrying about an OS re-design. And look at that, they are both considered the best two Windows OS's.
So no, Apple fans are paying (well aren't) for updates that make OSX better behind the scenes like Windows 7 & XP did. Not worrying about a complete redesign like Windows Vista or Windows 8.
4) The adaption rate for Mavericks is higher. But Apple aren't comparing them in a direct "Windows vs Mac OS" battle. They are explaining that with each update, people are more confident taking a jump forward than the majority of Windows users who are still unsure after all this time. That's the argument.
Apple are saying customers will have more confidence upgrading to Yosemite, than Windows users upgrading their system.
|
1. Windows Defender does its job. It's not Microsoft's problem if people keeps on falling on Email spam, internet websites that are malicious and press "continue anyway" rather than "back to safety". Some thirsty asses need to learn from this. Another thing is downloading illegal content makes your PC suffer especially if all you do is click click click. There are precautions done by Windows to give you warnings but most people shrugs it off THEN blame Microsoft for such a "faulty" operating software. Viruses infect PC users who doesn't know better. Never in my life did I have a PC that's been infected by a virus. In my office a lot has them. When they let me check their PC, I see these TONS of **** installed on their PC like Babylon, some fake "anti-viruses" and other ****. THEY installed them all. It's the users' fault NOT Windows. Windows being an open software, makes it more vulnerable to attacks like these. I know for a fact that Macs are less vulnerable to attacks but that is because they have less users thus LESS risks.
2. That is correct but Laptop manufacturers DO have some premium laptops as well at 1K and up. Also, desktops are being used in a heavily mutimedia grounded company since chipsets are much more powerful in a Desktop than a Laptop. Go check their stats and benchmarks.
Also, Microsoft launched the Surface 2 yers ago so they are making money off of hardware as well.
3. Windows 7 is basically a rehash of Windows Vista. NOBODY here said that it wasn't. Vista was a failure and while the market was leaning towards more efficient RAM usage, Microsoft did the opposite which straight up backlashed. Windows 7 to 8 improved efficiency of Windows OS as many websites said. Users as well and I personally can attest to that. Although I know that Windows 7 is still running great, 8 basically saved my laptop last year.
4. ********. They ARE comparing it and it's idiotic. People DO NOT upgrade on Windows since they make really solid Operating Systems and they don't like change. Windows 8 was a little early for the market but now its time has come. More and more manufacturers are ditching the traditional desktop to a Tablet-Laptop hybrid.
Right now, people are changing their view on Windows 8 and this is just the beginning. When Threshold is released, we could finally let this bow down.
Another ********. People likes their upgrades FREE and if Microsoft did the same for Windows 8, Apple couldn't say **** about this. They aren't confident, they just like anything FREE and complain later.
Let me not at iOS5 and Mavericks when the update came.
You do know that XP was unanimously BASHED when it came to the market but now some other companies would pay Microsoft to give them another year of support. It's always the same for Microsoft: Hate now, praise later.
|
|
|
Member Since: 3/15/2013
Posts: 9,153
|
Quote:
Originally posted by jomarr
1. Windows Defender does its job. It's not Microsoft's problem if people keeps on falling on Email spam, internet websites that are malicious and press "continue anyway" rather than "back to safety". Some thirsty asses need to learn from this. Another thing is downloading illegal content makes your PC suffer especially if all you do is click click click. There are precautions done by Windows to give you warnings but most people shrugs it off THEN blame Microsoft for such a "faulty" operating software. Viruses infect PC users who doesn't know better. Never in my life did I have a PC that's been infected by a virus. In my office a lot has them. When they let me check their PC, I see these TONS of **** installed on their PC like Babylon, some fake "anti-viruses" and other ****. THEY installed them all. It's the users' fault NOT Windows. Windows being an open software, makes it more vulnerable to attacks like these. I know for a fact that Macs are less vulnerable to attacks but that is because they have less users thus LESS risks.
2. That is correct but Laptop manufacturers DO have some premium laptops as well at 1K and up. Also, desktops are being used in a heavily mutimedia grounded company since chipsets are much more powerful in a Desktop than a Laptop. Go check their stats and benchmarks.
Also, Microsoft launched the Surface 2 yers ago so they are making money off of hardware as well.
3. Windows 7 is basically a rehash of Windows Vista. NOBODY here said that it wasn't. Vista was a failure and while the market was leaning towards more efficient RAM usage, Microsoft did the opposite which straight up backlashed. Windows 7 to 8 improved efficiency of Windows OS as many websites said. Users as well and I personally can attest to that. Although I know that Windows 7 is still running great, 8 basically saved my laptop last year.
4. ********. They ARE comparing it and it's idiotic. People DO NOT upgrade on Windows since they make really solid Operating Systems and they don't like change. Windows 8 was a little early for the market but now its time has come. More and more manufacturers are ditching the traditional desktop to a Tablet-Laptop hybrid.
Right now, people are changing their view on Windows 8 and this is just the beginning. When Threshold is released, we could finally let this bow down.
Another ********. People likes their upgrades FREE and if Microsoft did the same for Windows 8, Apple couldn't say **** about this. They aren't confident, they just like anything FREE and complain later.
Let me not at iOS5 and Mavericks when the update came.
You do know that XP was unanimously BASHED when it came to the market but now some other companies would pay Microsoft to give them another year of support. It's always the same for Microsoft: Hate now, praise later.
|
Windows Defender just defends, it doesn't attack.
Macs are premium, Apple make enough money per Mac to allow the OS per Mac to be free.
Windows don't make any money of laptops, just the OS. They barely make a cent in the grand scheme of things when it comes to Surface.
Windows 7 is considered one of the best Windows OS, if not the best. And it all it was was a behind the scenes fix of Windows Vista. So most Mac OS's are behind the scenes. So why cristised that when Windows only see success when they do that?
Windows doesn't get praised later. Windows Vista is still in the pits, and the jokes about Windows 8 haven't stopped. The next version of Windows 8 is nothing like the first version (as you can see in the pics). So If it was praise later, why are they completely changing the OS?
And no. Apple are just comparing adaption rate. If people really wanted Windows 8, they would but it. Like they did with Windows 7. This free OS excuse can't be pulled into play when people had no hesitation upgrading to previous versions of Windows. People just don't want Windows 8. Which is why Windows 8 is nothing like it was when it launched.
iOS 5 was well praised and so was Mavericks. I don't know what you're trying there?
Windows XP was bashed because of change. It was later praised. Windows Vista has never been praised and Windows 8 won't ever be either.
|
|
|
Banned
Member Since: 4/13/2011
Posts: 18,738
|
Quote:
Originally posted by gloamingtheplain
Windows Defender just defends, it doesn't attack.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 4/21/2011
Posts: 42,362
|
Saus and Gloaming in the same thread.
|
|
|
Member Since: 4/24/2011
Posts: 17,221
|
In sheer numbers, that 14% is like, 5 times more than that 51%
|
|
|
Member Since: 4/24/2011
Posts: 17,221
|
The Surface Pro 3 is the first real competitor to the macbooks.
That pen + the touch optimized version of PhotoShop will be a real killer
|
|
|
Member Since: 4/24/2011
Posts: 17,221
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Big Smoke
this. Microsoft owns the Enterprise space, which generate a HELL of a lot more revenue than the commercial space.
not to mention Windows phone had a 1% share like last year. Obviously there is some progress
LMAO @ Apple trying to talk with their 8% market share. (1% in the server space)
|
Who the **** uses Mac servers?
|
|
|
Member Since: 1/19/2012
Posts: 13,768
|
Why is Apple so pressed lately?
Why do they have to rely on nitpicking silly details on the other companies to try and make themselves look better?
The fact still remains that they are fading big time and have yet to release one innovative feature since Steve Jobs death.
I was a massive Apple fan this time last year but recently they have become more and more desperate.
|
|
|
Member Since: 3/15/2013
Posts: 9,153
|
Quote:
Originally posted by maiko
|
It doesn't though. When has Windows Defender ever removed a serious virus?
|
|
|
Member Since: 4/21/2011
Posts: 42,362
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Georges
The Surface Pro 3 is the first real competitor to the macbooks.
|
Why ? Because it's super expensive ?
|
|
|
Member Since: 3/15/2013
Posts: 9,153
|
Quote:
Originally posted by highwayuni
Why is Apple so pressed lately?
Why do they have to rely on nitpicking silly details on the other companies to try and make themselves look better?
The fact still remains that they are fading big time and have yet to release one innovative feature since Steve Jobs death.
I was a massive Apple fan this time last year but recently they have become more and more desperate.
|
It's a developers meeting. They are trying to convince developers that they are better and they are the option to invest in.
Apple aren't making ads playing on your TV that attack other brands like Windows and Samsung are doing right now.
So..
|
|
|
Member Since: 4/24/2011
Posts: 17,221
|
Quote:
Originally posted by H-I-M
Why ? Because it's super expensive ?
|
Apple mainly targets professionals such as designers.
With the SP3's features, you can speed up the design process using the pen.
Plus it can combine the iPad and the MacBook (if you dish out for the type cover, ugh)
|
|
|
|
|