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Poll: Bigger peak: Bey vs Avril
View Poll Results: Who has the bigger peak?
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Elevator Chanteuse Beyonce
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35.03% |
M&G Chanteuse Avril
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Black Umbrella
Keep telling that to yourself so you can believe that any of beyoncé's era's were bigger than Let Go. Let Go sales only ***** on your arguments. not to mention the impact she left the skater boi tomboy-ish style and the neckties that were everywhere at a time where Britney was the most successful out there still people had put Avril as anti-Britney so you can see how big she was. +How she revived the pop-punk rockier stuff at the time where there weren't as many pop rock icons (only her Nickelback and Michelle Branch and somehow P!nk ) and we're talking about peak not longevity. so don't put being an opening act there. (P!nk was an opening act back in 2006 I think and look at how TTAL was doing last year).
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Originally posted by Black Umbrella
About being a short trend don't judge that based on how you feel like. because the amount of the next emo/pop rock chicks that came after Avril's LG and UMS was.. aka Ashley, Kelly and Amy. and TBDT still is one of the most outstanding Pop-punk albums out there. She obviously sold more and had critical aclaim at the time. and that was her peak that is obviously bigger than beyoncé's.
Girlfriend was the first video to hit 100m video so it was the biggest at the time but Vevo deleted that version later still the new version has 239m now. and if your using long time=Longevity which is the opposite of what this thread is about we all know beyoncé is bigger now but Avril was the biggest at her peak too. It sold between 7m-8m which is the same number for Avril's TBDT and don't forget that Girlfriend was the biggest hit of 2007. We're talking about music not movies sis.. and don't pull those grammies here because even most successful artists aka Mariah Carey doesn't have as many grammies those are overrated and given unfairly and only based on success (and even though Mariah is the biggest selling US female artist)
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I think you ended the Hive What kinda ruthless bitch!? So much true tea spilled the Hive is gonna need another surprise album to soak all that up.
But really, sis, you was speaking the truth and and it was perfect! The Hive try to put Bey over any other pop girl like she's a god. No one is discussing who had the biggest career, cause that's obviously Bey. But they just can't accept that a flop artist like Avril was somehow bigger than Bey at some point. And she was, she really was massive. I doubt Bey will ever reach Avril's peak even tho she's got the longevity and the most successful career.
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Why is it that when people think "peak" they automatically revert to numbers? Impact and longevity is something you can ask your fans to buy for you.
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Avril had the much, much bigger peak. Beyonce has the much, much bigger career. This thread was already done a while ago.
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Originally posted by Mister Martian
Why is it that when people think "peak" they automatically revert to numbers? Impact and longevity is something you can ask your fans to buy for you.
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Because the peak of a career is the highest point and numbers are the easiest way to quantify that peak. Longevity is completely extraneous to peak. If you have a 5M selling album and then a hundred 3M selling albums, your peak is still that 5M selling album. If you have a 5M selling album and never sell another album again, then your peak is still that 5M selling album. Impact is being brought up, though it is much harder to quantify.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by swissman
I agree that Avril had impact at the time, but so did Beyonce, it's just that Beyonce's impact was both in the pop world and the urban world, whereas Avril's was mostly pop (I don't think that the rock crowd took her seriously).
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What kind of logic
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Originally posted by Nano
What kind of logic
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So your logic is that the urban community were all wearing ties and rocking to Sk8ter Boi?
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Black Umbrella
Keep telling that to yourself so you can believe that any of beyoncé's era's were bigger than Let Go. Let Go sales only ***** on your arguments. not to mention the impact she left the skater boi tomboy-ish style and the neckties that were everywhere at a time where Britney was the most successful out there still people had put Avril as anti-Britney so you can see how big she was. +How she revived the pop-punk rockier stuff at the time where there weren't as many pop rock icons (only her Nickelback and Michelle Branch and somehow P!nk ) and we're talking about peak not longevity. so don't put being an opening act there. (P!nk was an opening act back in 2006 I think and look at how TTAL was doing last year).
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Let's make you a cape and call you captain madT
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Originally posted by Six
I think you ended the Hive What kinda ruthless bitch!? So much true tea spilled the Hive is gonna need another surprise album to soak all that up.
But really, sis, you was speaking the truth and and it was perfect! The Hive try to put Bey over any other pop girl like she's a god. No one is discussing who had the biggest career, cause that's obviously Bey. But they just can't accept that a flop artist like Avril was somehow bigger than Bey at some point. And she was, she really was massive. I doubt Bey will ever reach Avril's peak even tho she's got the longevity and the most successful career.
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Sorry but a peak is not just about numbers. It's about position too.
One could argue that Beyonce is at a peak right now. I mean, she was just named Forbes #18th most powerful woman in the world for a reason and has never been more famous or well-loved. If we want to discuss something as trivial as sales then you can compare wikipedia pages to see who had a better selling era and this thread was never needed.
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Originally posted by swissman
So your logic is that the urban community were all wearing ties and rocking to Sk8ter Boi?
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My logic is that most of the GP aren't part of any "community".
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Originally posted by swissman
Well in 2003/2004 Beyonce had a bigger peak because she was not only selling millions of albums, setting records for weeks at #1, and winning a record amount of Grammy's but she had adoration and respect from the public. Avril was branded as a bratty rebellious teen, whereas Beyonce was a powerhouse diva getting acclaim from critics and legends alike.
Avril might have bested her in some departments, but as a whole, taking into consideration all the elements of a career, Beyonce had a bigger peak.
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She did sell millions of albums, but Avril sold more. Both artists used payola for their singles so I don't think their single success matters at all. Grammys deal with corporate placement and connections, not acclaim. Beyonce was also not respected in 03/04. She used to get dogged for her voice (which is a kii now) and lack of creativity.
Avril definitely had the bigger peak by a mile. It's not like it's a loss for Bey, though, since she's had the bigger career by a mile
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Avril of course but unfortunately she has faded faster than Bey
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Originally posted by swissman
One could argue that Beyonce is at a peak right now. I mean, she was just named Forbes #18th most powerful woman in the world for a reason and has never been more famous or well-loved.
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This is bordering on delusion. Beyonce is NOT more famous or well-loved right now than she was during the Sasha Fierce era.
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Originally posted by Eternium
She did sell millions of albums, but Avril sold more. Both artists used payola for their singles so I don't think their single success matters at all. Grammys deal with corporate placement and connections, not acclaim. Beyonce was also not respected in 03/04. She used to get dogged for her voice (which is a kii now) and lack of creativity.
Avril definitely had the bigger peak by a mile. It's not like it's a loss for Bey, though, since she's had the bigger career by a mile
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Do you have receipts about her being dogged for her voice though? As far as I remember the respect was pretty great in 2003/2004 with Prince, Oprah, Stevie Wonder, etc. all praising her.
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Originally posted by Beyondslay
Let's make you a cape and call you captain madT
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Me mad? well flop opening act Avril with her three albums LG, UMS, TBDT is still outselling all of your legendary goddess beyoncé five legendary albums. #StayMad
Edit: and ooh you're off topic sis the thread is about Avril having a bigger peak than Beyoncé not me giving facts about your fave and being mad honey
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Originally posted by Nano
This is bordering on delusion. Beyonce is NOT more famous or well-loved right now than she was during the Sasha Fierce era.
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You think she's less loved and less famous than during the IASF era? Are you talking about public perception or in sales receipts? The IASF era was bigger but as a star, Beyonce is bigger than she ever was since then. Just look at Google trends, her searches are higher now than they were in 2008/2009.
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Originally posted by swissman
So your logic is that the urban community were all wearing ties and rocking to Sk8ter Boi?
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Tell your urban market to buy more than 17m copy of Beyoncé's next album.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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I see that the Avril fans really want her to take this one, so after this I am going to stop suggesting otherwise. I am really not that bothered that Avril had a bigger peak, it's just that I don't think she did. I think she definitely stood out more at the time, but if we're comparing Beyonce in the DIL or the IASF era, Beyonce had a bigger all around moment when you take into consideration all the many ways that she was slaying (music, movies, endorsements, awards, critics, tours, etc.)
But yes, Avril sold more so she had a bigger peak and lots of angsty teen girls wore ties for a year.
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Member Since: 3/4/2014
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Still waiting for the Hive to convince me about Bey's Impact in my Country, where a Top 10 Album and/or a Top50 Single is nowhere to be found this Era. (As some of you claim this is her Peak right now).
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It's hard to pin-point exactly when Beyoncé's peak was. She's been so consistent. Was it the runaway success of her debut era with Crazy In Love & Baby Boy, was it her continued prosperity during B'Day with Irreplaceable and Dreamgirls, or was it the domination with Single Ladies? She's never really declined in popularity nor influence.
Before we answer the question when exactly was Beyoncé's peak?
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