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ATRL: Men the biggest threat to women?
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Member Since: 11/1/2010
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Originally posted by Giselle
I just watched this a few days ago and it was amazing
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Isn't if fab?! It even taught me some things. It's one of my all time faves now.
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Member Since: 6/25/2010
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Originally posted by Royal Culture
Men are taught by the media that they are evil and no matter how good of a person you are, women are more important and you are a threat to them. This obviously does not condone anyone's actions but "feminism" is making matters much worse.
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Mess at me misreading your username as Rape Culture and then reading your post.
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http://www.cdc.gov/women/lcod/2010/index.htm
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Leading Causes of Death in Females United States, 2010 (current listing)
1) Heart disease
2) Cancer
3) Stroke
4) Chronic lower respiratory diseases
5) Alzheimer's disease
6) Unintentional injuries
7) Diabetes
8) Influenza and pneumonia
9) Kidney disease
10) Septicemia
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No, we're not the biggest threat to women. We're not even in the Top 10.
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Member Since: 2/2/2014
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Originally posted by Sasha Pieterse
actually gonna get an aneurysm from these people who don't WANT to understand.
hey, gays, lemme put this into perspective: if you, as a gay person, started talking about the discrimination you face on a daily basis, and a straight person starts saying "but what about me??!?!?!?!?!", would you feel like that's really appropriate or no?
We're all in this together
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People who are in the majority would never truly understand what we're talking about. Just as I don't understand the discrimination gays feel because I'm straight and never have to experience it.
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Originally posted by Chill Bill
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This isn't just about death, it's about being inferior in our society.
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Member Since: 6/2/2011
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*Straight men, am I correct? In terms of things like rape and domestic violence.
But us gays still benefit from systematic inequalities against women. We're more likely to be hired, more likely to be promoted, to have our opinions taken seriously, to be represented in the media in a positive and central way (only applies to white men in the western world), etc.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Vine101
Men are taught to hate femininity and women so yes.
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I disagree if you are literally stating all men.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
*Straight men, am I correct?
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No
ETA: Caught you before the swift edit I agree with the second part of your post
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Bayonsay
I disagree if you are literally stating all men.
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The social construction of men =/= pointing fingers at individuals.
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Originally posted by BadKidBrodie
I don't know what to say without getting attacked: I'm a gay male and I am strong on feminism, but I kind of think its unfair to group all men together and pluralise them. But, I sort of think that men need to shut up and deal with this criticism and generalisation as a result of the way women were/are treated.
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I don't think we should. Generalisation isn't fair.
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Member Since: 6/2/2011
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Originally posted by Royal Culture
Basically, I believe that rape in any situation is not the victim's fault. Whether it is a female or male. Men have a much worse reputation thanks to the media but that does not justify any actions that they choose to take. It's extremely unfortunate that this conversation even needs to be had and I'm sorry if anyone misunderstood me. I'm not anti-feminism, I'm simply anti-whatever feminism seems to have turned into recently.
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Men have much worse "reputation in the media" when it comes to rape because men commit over 99% of rapes.
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Originally posted by Bayonsay
I disagree if you are literally stating all men.
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What Sasha said, it's about the generalization of men. There's obviously going to be men that are taught differently, even if it's a very unlikely situation.
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Member Since: 6/2/2011
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Originally posted by Giselle
Yes, in all senses.
The strong majority of owners on the board of huge media companies (Viacom & Clearchannel) are men, so basically men control the media. Meaning they control everything we see and hear. So in theory, yes.
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The vast majority of films and TV shows star (white) men. The vast majority of "great thinkers, scientists, etc" that people look up to are (white) men. Almost every well known superhero is a (white) man. I simply *cannot* at someone a few pages ago trying to say men are not represented in a positive light. Just go watch any film, flick through any magazine or turn on the TV and you'll see positive, central, nuanced representation above any other group of people.
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
The vast majority of films and TV shows star (white) men. The vast majority of "great thinkers, scientists, etc" that people look up to are (white) men. Almost every well known superhero is a (white) man. I simply *cannot* at someone a few pages ago trying to say men are not represented in a positive light. Just go watch any film, flick through any magazine or turn on the TV and you'll see positive, central, nuanced representation above any other group of people.
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MTE. Men are anything but misrepresented in the media.
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
The vast majority of films and TV shows star (white) men. The vast majority of "great thinkers, scientists, etc" that people look up to are (white) men. Almost every well known superhero is a (white) man. I simply *cannot* at someone a few pages ago trying to say men are not represented in a positive light. Just go watch any film, flick through any magazine or turn on the TV and you'll see positive, central, nuanced representation above any other group of people.
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Exactly. And since they are represented so much they don't really get stereotyped unlike the few women who are represented are often shown as mothers or nurses etc so that stereotype sticks with women. Or the few represented black people being cast as gangsters or poor so blacks are stereotyped as such by society. Or gays being flamboyant so that stereotype sticks
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Men can be so persuasive, I agree.
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
Men have much worse "reputation in the media" when it comes to rape because men commit over 99% of rapes.
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[citation needed]
Actually, let me save you the trouble:
http://www.genderratic.com/p/836/man...ulnerable-men/
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The first thing to note is that the NIPSVS decided that men being forced to have sex with women isn’t rape. Let’s think about this again. The NIPSVS finds that men are the majority perpetrators of rape. 98% of female rape victims and 93% of male rape victims had a male perpetrator. A woman shoving her fingers up a man’s anus is rape, but a woman shoving her vagina down on his penis is not. The latter is not classified as rape, but as “made to penetrate” and is placed in the category of “other sexual violence”.
Logically, if you define rape as penetration, but not envelopment, you are going to end up with an arbitrarily large number of male rapists compared to female rapists.
So why are significantly more men than women rapists and significantly more women raped than men? Because when women rape using their vaginas it’s not rape, it’s “other sexual violence”.
Men are the vast majority of rapists and women are the vast majority of victims because rape was defined in such a way to make sure that this was so.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Men and women are not equal. Women are seen as an object, something men possess, something they can do whatever they want to. The fact that I even have to put the ad with the woman in a warning tag says a lot.
This is "just an ad" but it shows in depth issues in society. As long as this still happens, we've got a long way to go. Please don't try to tell me that men and women are equal. I don't care if your grandmother was a strong woman who had a better job than your grandfather. Those are individual cases - this is a social construction and issue.
Men acknowledging these social constructions and the problems that come with it is the first step towards a resolution. We're not asking you to apologize for every rape that has happened, nor should you feel guilty about it, but take a step back, reflect on it, TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO SAY. Nobody is blaming you as an individual.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Chill Bill
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Even if you changed the definition of the crime, women raping men wouldn't even get close to being done to the same extent as men raping women. Maybe we'd add a percentage or two to the statistics but the rape culture would stay the same.
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
The vast majority of films and TV shows star (white) men. The vast majority of "great thinkers, scientists, etc" that people look up to are (white) men. Almost every well known superhero is a (white) man. I simply *cannot* at someone a few pages ago trying to say men are not represented in a positive light.
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You're only looking at half the story. Watch any action film and take a look at the hundreds of anonymous henchmen the hero lays waste to without any hesitation. How many women do you see among their ranks?
In those movies, for every man who gets to be the hero or the villain, there are hundreds who are nothing more than cannon fodder.
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