@ yall acting like by 1992 women were still in the closet about their sexuality
Madonna had already touched on those topics eralier in her career, and during the disco era, female artists freely sang on similar topics, have yall heard of Donna Summer "Love to Love you baby" is from like 17 years before Erotica, but okay
I mean "I Feel Love" is the blueprint for sexual electro songs while one of her most famous album, Lady Of The Night, refers to the night life of prostitutes!
And don't forget Olivia Newthon-John's "Physical" (the biggest billboard hit of the 80s), "Make A Move On Me" and the 1985's sexual album Soul Kiss, which almost destroyed her career.
Madonna's Erotica is a wonderful album and it contains the saddest, most well-written songs of her career but as I said earlier, it's influence is very limited because it didn't push boundaries, it went too far and transformed her career, in a negative way, forever. Thank god for Ray Of Light! It showed there was a glass ceiling, you can't break...
By the way, Janet announced her subtle transformation, which was impactful to the gen Y popstars, with the 1989's "Love Will Never Do Without You" video and never went to the extremes Madonna went so you can't say it was modeled after her either.
Yes it was, the reasons have been stated all over this thread already.
She was the first to break these boundaries in pop culture and the era became iconic. I mean you made a thread about it 20+ years later due to your knowledge of it being an iconic, classic defining era right? That's exactly what she was aiming for. She might have taken a bump success wise but it gave her the negative and positive press to outlast and stand out among every other female at the time (Mariah was huge but she was more of the rising star during that time)and cemented her mess into pop culture. It might have been seen as vulgar to some but it was her own way to artistically express herself. It gave more women to be comfortable in their own skin as well as being provocative and exploring their fantasies.
I mean "I Feel Love" is the blueprint for sexual electro songs while one of her most famous album, Lady Of The Night, refers to the night life of prostitutes!
And don't forget Olivia Newthon-John's "Physical" (the biggest billboard hit of the 80s), "Make A Move On Me" and the 1985's sexual album Soul Kiss, which almost destroyed her career.
Madonna's Erotica is a wonderful album and it contains the saddest, most well-written songs of her career but as I said earlier, it's influence was limited because it didn't push boundaries, it went too far and transformed her career, in a Physical way, forever. Thank god for Ray Of Light! It showed there was a glass ceiling, you can't break...
By the way, Janet announced her subtle transformation, which was impactful to the gen Y popstars, with the 1989's "Love Will Never Do Without You" video and never went to the extremes Madonna went so you can't say it was modeled after her either.
stop with spamming the Olivia Newthon-John THING in every thread, Physical didn't make any impact at the time it's released, the both physcical and I feel Love lyrics didn't DIRECTLY talk about sex, they only hinted people to sex by the metaphor, that's not new
Erotica was on the other hand, it was directly talking about sex in the lyrics
saying erotica's influence was limited is extremely ignorant. yeah ! Erotica was controversial in negavtive way, but still controversial right ? still made the people and media talk about it right ? even when she cut her hair short in Girlie show, it became a controversy, right ?
when Erotica video caming out, it was a controversy, right ?
when sex book caming out it was a a controversy, right ?
the dirty sex lyrics were controversy right ?
the Girlie show was one of highest grossing tour of 90s
it became the blueprint for female artists who dare to DIRECTLY bring sexy to their music and image
FYI, " Love Will Never Do Without You " was inspired by Cherish video of Madonna ( another sexy video by queen of pop ) since it was directed by Herb Ritts, who is Herb Ritts ? look it up . plus Janet didn't plan to look sexy in " Love Will Never Do Without You ", she originally planned to wear a dress for the video, but Ritts envisioned Jackson in nothing more than a black top and a pair of jeans (and, ultimately, blond hair)
Janet did dress smoking, male-inspired suits, squared shoulders jacket in 80s ( fine to call it sexy ), she´s just started to dress sexy since 1993
Lies. She started being sexy in 1990. Do your research, smart-smart. (Edit: well, i see you did. You just copy-pasted Wikipedia. Educate yourself ) Therefore Madonna did not influence Janet on the subject, nor was LWNDWY inspired by Cherish. Because it's B&W and from the same director? Reach.
Most of y'all wouldn't like if I said that Vogue was inspired by Janet - people voguing on the Escapade video plus the Miss You Much remix that sounds exactly the same. So let's keep it to ourselves.
I think Erotica was a great effort. Kudos to Madonna.
Erotica is a masterpiece, her best album in my humble opinion. It was daring, controversial and provocative in both, theme and imagery, yes. It helped to break the barriers of female sexuality, sure - she was expressing her own sexual desires, not trying to be sexy for men, thats the main difference! She was also singing about scars from her previous, lost relationships. Erotica is not a happy album, its full of sadness and loneliness. It still sounds fresh. The fact that a woman being open about her sexuality still upsets people to this day is the testament of how important it was. Brilliant album.
Erotica the album along with it's accompanying music videos and tour was great. If you've actually listened to the album, you'll realize it's not all about sex. It broke new ground for women in pop and pushed boundaries, despite the backlash. What every female popstar does feels tame compared to what Madonna did back then.
The only thing one could argue was unnecessary about the era was the Sex book. I think if the Sex book never happened, the album would have been far more successful than it was.
The fact that you're on a pop music forum discussing it 20 years later is a further testament to it's impact. It's an iconic era in pop music history tbh and absolutely one of the most important (if not, THE most important) in Madonna's career. It shaped her career for the rest of the 90s. I read a great article a long time about how Ray of Light would have never happened if Erotica didn't happen. Found it: http://www.madonnatribe.com/idol/something_006.htm
Yeah, but thats not usualy the case, women don't balance the two well often obviously
And ive been called sexist ALOT on this forum, it doesnt bother me
I was just expressing my opinion on the album/era but it appears what goes contrary to the opinions of the majority is "sexist" or in some ways contrived.
*a lot
You really do sound very ignorant in this thread.
Madonna had just come off one of her most successful eras after her Blonde Ambition tour. And the fact that she decided to take the direction of being provocative, starting with the release of Justify My Love and then a couple of years later releasing the SEX book and Erotica only helps to show that she deemed those topics so important at the time that she made herself vulnerable to such a backlash. You keep saying that she released SEX and Erotica for shock value and for attention...uh of course she had the intention of getting attention to a project that she was so heavily invested in and of course she knew that it would shock a great part of the general public. She had already received some backlash with Justify My Love and it seemed natural, specially based on the interview below, that tackling the issues of why sexuality was so stigmatized in America was something she was interested in exploring and confronting face on.
Lies. She started being sexy in 1990. Do your research, smart-smart. (Edit: well, i see you did. You just copy-pasted Wikipedia. Educate yourself ) Therefore Madonna did not influence Janet on the subject, nor was LWNDWY inspired by Cherish. Because it's B&W and from the same director? Reach.
Most of y'all wouldn't like if I said that Vogue was inspired by Janet - people voguing on the Escapade video plus the Miss You Much remix that sounds exactly the same. So let's keep it to ourselves.
I think Erotica was a great effort. Kudos to Madonna.
As for SEX, she was trying too hard.
edit what ? yes, the line " Janet didn't plan to look sexy in " Love Will Never Do Without You ", she originally planned to wear a dress for the video, but Ritts envisioned Jackson in nothing more than a black top and a pair of jeans (and, ultimately, blond hair) i did copy/paste it from wiki, so ? is it untrue ? sorry but i'd rather believe wiki more than the words from your mouth
and let me LOL for a moment because of you saying "she started being sexy in 1990" Love Will Never Do (Without You) is the only video ( from 1990-1993) that she became sexy and being sexy in that video was not even her idea, Herb Ritts did suggest her to dress sexy. and just let you know, they didn't use the same directer only but Madonna is also the first one that introduced Herb Ritts to the music industry and helped him to shape his own filming style since he said that he didn't know anything about filming,
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Most of y'all wouldn't like if I said that Vogue was inspired by Janet - people voguing on the Escapade video plus the Miss You Much remix that sounds exactly the same. So let's keep it to ourselves.
the reach about Escapade video Madonna used the beat Shep Pettibone remix for miss you much has nothing to do with Janet , she doesn't own the copy right of the remix production since she doesn't have producing hand in it next time if you want to educate someone please make sure of the validity of your knowledge
This post and thread is the utmost gesture of ignorance.
By the time erotica was released Madonna had lost THREE of her close friends to aids. THREE and you actually have the nerve to say erotica was for attention.
Songs like "in this life" and "why's it so hard" were all about her friends that had died from aids.
Sex at that time was a taboo topic. A time when aids was at an all time high and where sexuality was surpressed - Madonna was out there dealing with these issues, sending messages that it was ok to be who you were, fighting the aids stigma.
Erotica is also evidence of Madonna's artistic soul. Do you have any idea what a risk it was? Erotia was the follow up to the immaculate collection - One of the greatest selling albums. She could have easily created a disco hit similar to vogue but she didn't. She took an artistic risk that few in the business take.
Yes erotica was necessary and it changed the direction and scope of thje music business. For anyone to suggest otherwise - is absolutley unbelieveable.
THIS !!! The Erotica album is amazing and I loev a lot of the SEX book shots too. It was absolutely necessary as people are SLOWLY in 2014 coming to realize that sex and nudity is a natural part of life. We were all born naked so why not embrace it ? Sex and the naked body is not a sin it's unfortuate that some people still do not understand that. It's so not vulgar whatsoever and yes a lot of what Madonna did at that time was artistic.
THIS !!! The Erotica album is amazing and I loev a lot of the SEX book shots too. It was absolutely necessary as people are SLOWLY in 2014 coming to realize that sex and nudity is a natural part of life. We were all born naked so why not embrace it ? Sex and the naked body is not a sin it's unfortuate that some people still do not understand that. It's so not vulgar whatsoever and yes a lot of what Madonna did at that time was artistic.
Most mature gay people I know say that they became more aware of AIDS after Madonna's Erotica era Comparing Bangerz to Erotica is just shows some people's ignorance
Being sexual for a woman was taboo in 1992? Madonna's problem was that she was annoying about it. This is my ***** etc etc I like big black dick look at me being a bitch etc.
Janet did the sex thing in a classy way and destroyed Madonna.
''Janet did the sex thing in a classy way'' They both did it in the same way. What is being classy anyway ? Acting like some virtuous maiden. Nahh f that. Yes she likes all sorts of d and she is THAT bitch what's wrong with that ?