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Poll: ART: Bey vs Gaga
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Lady Gaga
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49.67% |
Beyoncé
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85 |
55.56% |
Member Since: 3/15/2013
Posts: 42,704
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Originally posted by Cain
How come everytime there's a Bey vs Gaga thread all the Monsters are like
'ugh stop pitting us against each other'
'they're both queens'
'does it matter?'
Just answer the ****ing question.
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What is your problem with that?
They are both my faves so obviously I don't want them to be pitted against each other
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Both, but let's remember that Gags wrote the whole album and directed the whole video herself, OK?
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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But tbh art discussions are the most stupid thing ever. Like you definitely won't have a result. Art is something that shouldn't really be discused. Either you enjoy it or you let it go
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by MrJacob
I voted both options, because both ladies are the leading 'artists' in the mainstream pop game.
Monsters need to chill about Gaga not needing a team, just remember, her credits list on G.U.Y was 4 minutes long
And the Hive should be a bit careful, especially when songwriting is considered an art form too.
Lets stop trying to pit Bey & Gaga against one another.
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You just slayed the Monsters, Hive and the Haters with this post
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Member Since: 3/11/2012
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Originally posted by Ressti
Lady Gaga does not do everything on her own. Or have you little Monsters forgotten those 4 minute credits at the end of the video? Not too mention she has a whole team dedicated to her "vision".
Anyway, Beyoncé is artistic but minimalist, Gaga is kitsch and avant garde. Both visually appealing. Both make their own kind of art.
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This, they are both really really amazing artists, but just with a different vision. You can't compare that.
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Member Since: 7/7/2011
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Originally posted by NaughtyDog
Gaga, beyonce needs a whole team to bring forth her ideas while Gaga can direct her own by herself
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Really? Cus that pretentious 4min long end credits begs to differ.
Seriously, you're delusional if u think Gaga or any artist bring their ideas to life solely
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Monsters should really stop saying that Gaga creates her own artistic vision because as someone mentioned, the credits are at least 4 minutes long on that G.U.Y. video.
Plus it is really true that BEYONCE was something that ARTPOP was supposed to be. An album made for art, not for sales. The fact that Bey's album is selling is just a plus.
Bey managed to put out her whole artistic vision for EACH song, guiding you through the experience that is her album. Something she was doing since B'day.
So my answer is definitely Bey, although Gaga seems to have more passion for this artistic purpose.
Art should really speak for itself, rather than the artist speaking for it.
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Member Since: 2/2/2014
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I love both artists and their respective art for different reasons. I'm not going to pick just one.
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Originally posted by Sinvius
Monsters should really stop saying that Gaga creates her own artistic vision because as someone mentioned, the credits are at least 4 minutes long on that G.U.Y. video.
Plus it is really true that BEYONCE was something that ARTPOP was supposed to be. An album made for art, not for sales. The fact that Bey's album is selling is just a plus.
Bey managed to put out her whole artistic vision for EACH song, guiding you through the experience that is her album. Something she was doing since B'day.
So my answer is definitely Bey, although Gaga seems to have more passion for this artistic purpose.
Art should really speak for itself, rather than the artist speaking for it.
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But it says in the credits that she is the director of the video and she said the video represents what she went through the last year and the commentary on the music industry is pretty obvious so you clearly see it is her artistic vision.. Beyonce could have never done something like that in a million years. It may be her vision, but she never directed her vision into something concrete, she only tells her team the idea. But as I said earlier it's pretty much impossible to compare them due to their differences in expressing their art.
And Gaga didn't say almost anything about the video and didn't overhype it for the first time so your last sentence is invalid.
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Member Since: 8/27/2012
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Beyoncé doesn't make ART so Gaga automatically wins.
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Member Since: 3/8/2014
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Both are amazing and unique in their own way. I wouldn't say that any of them makes "art" but I don't know the definition of art in pop music so... But they're definitely the female artists of our generation.
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by Brunette Ambition
Especially Haunted looks like a Gaga video.
Gaga.
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Haunted looks like an Akerlund video. Great concept, art direction and execution without tackiness a la Andy Cohen cameo. GUY looks like a cheap trash compared to it.
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Originally posted by iHooker
Gaga doesnt have an artistic bone in her body
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Originally posted by Versace
But it says in the credits that she is the director of the video and she said the video represents what she went through the last year and the commentary on the music industry is pretty obvious so you clearly see it is her artistic vision.. Beyonce could have never done something like that in a million years. It may be her vision, but she never directed her vision into something concrete, she only tells her team the idea. But as I said earlier it's pretty much impossible to compare them due to their differences in expressing their art.
And Gaga didn't say almost anything about the video and didn't overhype it for the first time so your last sentence is invalid.
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Gaga has been "hyping" her art for as long as I can remember. She has put herself on a pedestal numerous times claiming that she makes this divine form of art, which a lot of people took as just being pretentious. Then when she delivers, it is mostly subpar material that doesn't really stand up to what she said.
Either her art is too complicated to be understood even by the critics who do that for a living (which can be seen by ARTPOP's metacritic score and negative feedback for her 'vomit' performance) or she's just not as much of an artist as she claims to be.
On the other side, Bey never claims to be the next Botticelli, but when the time comes, delivers something that can be considered art because it DOES project her artistic vision. Just because her team assists her to put it all together and fit it into 5 or 6 minutes long music video doesn't mean that it's not her artistic vision.
The fact that Gaga herself tries to do these videos and do everything by herself is the main reason why her work often has great potential but feels too clustered and just thrown out there to be taken seriously.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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ART is subjective and their "art" serves different purpose. And as much as Bey is concerned, she was more concerned for the experience that is included in the whole album than the ART that Gaga is trying to show.
uggh idk y'all are messy
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Originally posted by KillingYourCareer
The one who's not claiming to be art.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Bríseis
Haunted looks like an Akerlund video. Great concept, art direction and execution without tackiness a la Andy Cohen cameo. GUY looks like a cheap trash compared to it.
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So you're basically saying that it's his art and not Beyoncés.
And aren't you the same person who always comes for Gagas ''pretentiousness''?
Then she does something humourus and it's tacky and bad again.
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Originally posted by Sinvius
Gaga has been "hyping" her art for as long as I can remember. She has put herself on a pedestal numerous times claiming that she makes this divine form of art, which a lot of people took as just being pretentious. Then when she delivers, it is mostly subpar material that doesn't really stand up to what she said.
Either her art is too complicated to be understood even by the critics who do that for a living (which can be seen by ARTPOP's metacritic score and negative feedback for her 'vomit' performance) or she's just not as much of an artist as she claims to be.
On the other side, Bey never claims to be the next Botticelli, but when the time comes, delivers something that can be considered art because it DOES project her artistic vision. Just because her team assists her to put it all together and fit it into 5 or 6 minutes long music video doesn't mean that it's not her artistic vision.
The fact that Gaga herself tries to do these videos and do everything by herself is the main reason why her work often has great potential but feels too clustered and just thrown out there to be taken seriously.
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I said Gaga didn't overhype this for the first time so I don't know why you even wrote that first paragraph when it is clearly implied that she hyped her material in the past.
I don't know if you have seen the praise she got for her vomit performance by numerous credible sites
so she can do "art" and make a strong commentary when she is just being herself. The critics noticed that.
I already stated that it is Beyonce's vision, but she is never in charge of making that vision come true.
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Member Since: 6/24/2011
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Lady GaGa has art in her veins. Beyoncé barely knows anything of the matter, she just wanted to do something different with this era. However I applaud that, but she's no Picasso.
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by Brunette Ambition
So you're basically saying that it's his art and not Beyoncés.
And aren't you the same person who always comes for Gagas ''pretentiousness''?
Then she does something humourus and it's tacky and bad again.
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Wow, you got it right, thats exactly what Im saying
And "humorous" can be always done in a good taste
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Originally posted by Versace
I said Gaga didn't overhype this for the first time so I don't know why you even wrote that first paragraph when it is clearly implied that she hyped her material in the past.
I don't know if you have seen the praise she got for her vomit performance by numerous credible sites
so she can do "art" and make a strong commentary when she is just being herself. The critics noticed that.
I already stated that it is Beyonce's vision, but she is never in charge of making that vision come true.
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Concerning Gaga's hyping, I never said that she hyped the G.U.Y. video, I said that she is hyping her art for quite a while now and after all, art is being discussed here if I'm not mistaken. Reading is fundamental.
And most of those sites that are praising her are praising her performance as a whole, not the fact that she was vomited on. She is a talented vocalist, I don't see why she shouldn't get praise for it.
If I'm not mistaken she was being herself for this ARTPOP era, wasn't she? She was being true to herself while making the album, no? The critics surely didn't notice her outstanding quality by giving the album a 61 metacritic score. Unless you're saying that ARTPOP is not Gaga's own doing or staying true to herself.
And what exactly is Bey not in charge with while making her videos? As I said previously, she has an idea for a certain song and she consults with her team about how to realize it. Her vision in the end definitely comes true, and not to mention coherent and then afterwards praised.
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