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Discussion: Has katy surpassed Gaga in touring?
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
Ok so lets examine what you have said.
I'm glad you bought this up. I disgaree that power = Money being made but let's for arguement sake say that you are correct.
You realise that GROSS is the amount made without any of the fee's taxe's production costs taken out of it. I can easily debate that Katy Perry makes more money than lady gaga touring wise when we remove all the costs associated with putting on a show.
Lady gaga entered in at number 6 (top tours of 2012) with a gross amount of $124,879,545
Source billboard: http://www.billboard.com/articles/ne...-tours-of-2012
Remember: GROSS IS BEFORE THE COSTS TO MAKE THE PRODUCTION ARE TAKEN OUT
Now let's look at that same list based on what artists earned that year ie the NET amount. (Money left after all costs were taken out)
Source Billboard: http://www.billboard.com/articles/li...13?list_page=3
Lady gaga placed in the top ten when it came to gross (she placed #6) but when it came to who makes the most money after all production costs had been taken away - she wasn't even in the top 40.
On the other hand Katy Perry's teenage dream tour grossed 60million but she still made 45million from that.
Source: http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mfl45kilk/katy-perry-3/
So even by your own money making logic, katy still holds greater touring power. |
This "logic" has no relevance at all. Lady Gaga's shows are much more expensive to stage, and so cost more from the gross before net profits are divided out between Gagz, Interscope, LiveNation, etc.
Pretending it's what the individual personally earns is weak. This is about touring power, i.e. cash made by the tour overall, not who gets a higher profit of their earnings/has cheaper shows to stage.
OT: No.
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Originally posted by ThirdWardBey
Gaga's touring peak as in the tour that has over 200 dates?  |
Yes, with 201 dates she grossed 227 Millions dollars.
But Katy had 124 dates...and she only grossed 60 Million. (And those are A LOT of dates)
So you can see who has more touring force!
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Originally posted by Rusty
This "logic" has no relevance at all. Lady Gaga's shows are much more expensive to stage, and so cost more from the gross before net profits are divided out between Gagz, Interscope, LiveNation, etc.
Pretending it's what the individual personally earns is weak. This is about touring power, i.e. cash made by the tour overall, not who gets a higher profit of their earnings/has cheaper shows to stage.
OT: No.
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 Very true.
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Originally posted by ThirdWardBey
Gaga's touring peak as in the tour that has over 200 dates? |
You could take the BTWB - that was on the same era Katy's last tour was on, had fewer dates and grossed three times what Katy's did. 
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Remember when Pink fans were saying her tour was going to out gross The Born This Way Tour? Pink had more dates and still didn't come close to passing it. I see more people want to look like fools.
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Lady Gaga has grossed over $400,000,000 with just two major world tours. Katy will not not touch that total for quite some time, and even then Gaga will continue to add to her overall gross. If there's one place Katy does not outsell Gaga, it's touring.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
Look at the question being asked.
DO YOU THINK KATY'S TOURING POWER IS BIGGER THAN GAGA'S
Touring POWER varies from place to place. Market to Market. City to City.
All those people that automatically say "gaga" please consider a few things.
These are the ticket sales for the BTWB cancelled tour dates
Source pollstar: http://www.pollstarpro.com/files/cha...dwideTours.pdf
As you can clearly see (number 36) lady gaga sold 179,646 tickets. Which is just over 9000 tickets per show (18 shows) in venues that have a capacity of 15-20k (the same as miley) This is also VERY close to what billboard reported - "ABOUT 200,000 REFUNDS GIVEN"
Source: http://www.billboard.com/articles/ne...-at-the-damage
Lady gaga went on television and also did an interview with the guardian and says over and over again that all her shows were sold out, in fact she swears black and blue that they were.
Source: http://www.theguardian.com/music/201...nk-im-finished
But you know, the numbers don't lie.
Let's look at katy Perry's teenage dream tour.
Source: http://www.pollstarpro.com/charts/20...dwideTours.pdf
As you can clearly see Katy Perry sold 1,207,386 tickets and did 119 shows.
That means Katy was playing to just over 10k people per show which is highier than gaga (albiet a small amount)
Logic says it's safe to say that according to offical data (provided) Katy Perry has larger touring power in the largest music market in the world - The US.
POWER - is about tickets sold and demand. If we were to talk gross, that would be another matter.
Katy Perry has also sold more tickets in Australia in under 24 hours than gaga has in the 2 weeks hers have been on sale.
We can also look at the amount of shows Katy has added into the mix. Twice as many as gaga.
To me, it seems like a pretty obvious answer as to whom has the greatest touring power. |
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Dark_Lorde, I would really love to reply to your posts but they literally do not make any sense. You are saying that Katy has more touring power despite the fact that Gaga has grossed over $340,000,000 more dollars than she has on tour. No matter how many paragraphs and random links you copy and paste from Paws Down Little Monsters, the numbers are simply there. I know it's upsetting to admit that Gaga is successful, but you can't negate cold hard facts.
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Originally posted by Bang Up
Dark_Lorde, I would really love to reply to your posts but they literally do not make any sense. You are saying that Katy has more touring power despite the fact that Gaga has grossed over $340,000,000 more dollars than she has on tour. No matter how many paragraphs and random links you post, the numbers are simply there. I know it's upsetting to admit that Gaga was successful, but you can't negate cold hard facts.
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Well, we all thought PRISM couldn't sell more than ARTPOP, and that didn't happen. Same thing could happen with tours. 
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Originally posted by Roberto
Well, we all thought PRISM couldn't sell more than ARTPOP, and that didn't happen. Same thing could happen with tours. |
Touring and album sales are different, and even then, according to UMG, PRISM, despite having two massive hits, has only sold 600k more than ARTPOP so far. I think the PRISMS Tour will definitely outgross the Teenage Dream Tour, but Katy still has a long ways to go before she can be considered a "touring act" or "touring force". I mean, if Rihanna, Beyonce*, and Pink couldn't outgross Gaga, what makes you think Katy will?
* with the same amount of dates
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Originally posted by tcweh
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No, I said what I meant to say and what I said was true. Past success is still success. That's like saying Madonna is not the Queen of Pop because her best days are behind her, or so to speak. However, that logic is only ever applied to Gaga, it seems.
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After today I can say Katy 
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Originally posted by ThirdWardBey
Gaga's touring peak as in the tour that has over 200 dates? |
Gaga's touring peak was the BTW Ball, which grossed $181.1 million from 98 shows. Which is a higher average than all of her peers if I am not wrong. Flopping now does not take away her previous achievements
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She will be more or less the same this era and surpass her next era, depending on if Gaga makes a comeback or not.
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Originally posted by Remixed
Has she grossed over $400 million from her tours?
There's your answer.
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yeah but with like 500 dates. you realise that the biggest tour acts do half those dates and earn a billion, right?
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Originally posted by wanderlust
yeah but with like 500 dates. you realise that the biggest tour acts do half those dates and earn a billion, right?
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Not in their first five years. And it's with less than 300 dates.
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Ban pls, ENOUGH KATY VS GAGA THREADS.
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Originally posted by Swag
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And no, she won't. Katy's cute and all, but she's not a decent live act to begin with. Performing live is not her thing, she's not good at it. People arent crazy over her tours, then never were and never will be. She's great at selling singles (and albums apparently ).
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