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Poll: Are Gender Roles Important?
View Poll Results: Are They
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Yes.
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No.
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Somewhat
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Javan
So we are on the same page here.
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Eh, it took a lot more than installing popular biological superiority beliefs to condition the majority into supporting the genocide of natives or w/e. They literally reduced natives and slaves to savages with propaganda. I would say it is fair to accept that men and women are not equal, but that doesn't mean men are superior. It's all subjective. A woman may argue that the existence of human beings are proof that equally as important influential or even superior.
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Gender roles are a societal institution. You can't argue that they are an innate behavior.
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[CENTER]This is ironic when you have inequality in maternity leave rights, rape laws, existence of the battered woman defense etc. All of these are practices of gender inequality yet I don't see feminists complaining about that. Hmm.
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Men don't carry.
Rape laws protect everyone.
Women are more likely to be beaten than men.
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Originally posted by Ties
Gender roles are a societal institution. You can't argue that they are an innate behavior.
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On the basis on innate behavior and biology. Of course some gender roles are just silly, but a lot of them are important and a lot of them are natural.
Yep. We are not equal, so we don't get equal treatment. We get reasonably equitable treatment. Understanding the difference between equality and equitancy is key.
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Originally posted by Ties
Rape laws protect everyone.
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I don't know how it works in the US, but in when an adult women forces herself on an adult man, and have vaginal sex, the women can not be legal charged with rape. Of course she would be punished but if she is not facing equal punishments under the law it's not equality is it?
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Originally posted by Ties
Women are more likely to be beaten than men.
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Yes, but in a court of law women have an edge with that defense. Not equality if you ask me
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On the basis on innate behavior and biology. Of course some gender roles are just silly, but a lot of them are important and a lot of them are natural.
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Name them and I'll tell you if I agree or not.
AFAIK, gender roles largely state that Mary Sue cannot wear a certain hairstlye and that Robert cannot wear a skirt. When it comes to paternal roles, it's not fair for men to be declared "inferior" to female parenting either because both are capable of becoming good parents.
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Yep. We are not equal, so we don't get equal treatment. We get reasonably equitable treatment. Understanding the difference between equality and equitancy is key.
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Well, that's not really fair tbh. Men don't give birth, but that's not really grounds for saying you are treated unequally.
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I don't know how it works in the US, but in when an adult women forces herself on an adult man, and have vaginal sex, the women can not be legal charged with rape. Of course she would be punished but if she is not facing equal punishments under the law it's not equality is it?
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In the US, if a teacher (male or female) participates in a sexual relationship with a student, both are tried equally for rape. Your point shows inequitable trial cases, though, but I don't know where you live so I can't further comment.
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Yes, but in a court of law women have an edge with that defense. Not equality if you ask me.
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In the US, women are still charged with domestic violence.
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Originally posted by Javan
On the basis on innate behavior and biology. Of course some gender roles are just silly, but a lot of them are important and a lot of them are natural.
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There's no such thing as a natural gender role (apart from biological functions). Stop trying to spout B.S. that you clearly don't know.
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Originally posted by NE.
ATRL only hates gender roles because most of you have penises and you feel "oppressed" that nobody wants to see you skipping around in a skirt and heels.
Most of you couldn't give a damn about women's rights, the real issue in gender binary.
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That's rude. Anyway yes obviously it effects women more but the patriarchy does hurt men too.
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Originally posted by Ties
Name them and I'll tell you if I agree or not.
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Ok. I already said some a couple pages back tho . Here's one:
Women should limit their amount of sexual partners and shouldn't seek to be equal sexual beings in comparison to men.
1. Men carry more testorone, thus a higher sex drive
2. Vagina was not created for multiple sex partners. Too much sex could lead to loss in elasticity.
3. Women can contract chlamydia as a result of too many sexual partners (even safe sex). And as a result, her womb may have to be removed.
Men don't have to worry about these things. Which probably explains why women are shunned more for sleeping around recklessly.
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Originally posted by Ties
AFAIK, gender roles largely state that Mary Sue cannot wear a certain hairstlye and that Robert cannot wear a skirt.
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Those gender roles don't even hold up, and change depending on what's fashionable. They don't really matter, they are not really oppressive. It's more of a trend thing.
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Originally posted by Ties
When it comes to paternal roles, it's not fair for men to be declared "inferior" to female parenting either because both are capable of becoming good parents.
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There is a great amount of research that suggests that a mothers bond is greatly important.
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Originally posted by Ties
Well, that's not really fair tbh. Men don't give birth, but that's not really grounds for saying you aren't treated unequally.
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Fair/Equitable =/= Equality. That was my point. It's fair that men have different maternity leave rights, but it's still not equal no?
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Originally posted by Ties
In the US, if a teacher (male or female) participates in a sexual relationship with a student, both are tried equally for rape. Your point shows inequitable trial cases, though, but I don't know where you live so I can't further comment.
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I wasn't talking about statutory rape laws (which are equal in my country)
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Originally posted by Ties
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But if he had went on to kill her, he wouldn't have much of a defense. Whereas if the roles were reversed, the wife would use the battered woman defense.
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Yes and no. There needs to be some balance; someone is obviously going to be superior and more dominant in the relationship, and the other more submissive. However you don't need to be binded by the roles to the point where you restrict yourself from doing particular things.
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Originally posted by Genocide
Yes and no. There needs to be some balance; someone is obviously going to be superior and more dominant in the relationship, and the other more submissive. However you don't need to be binded by the roles to the point where you restrict yourself from doing particular things.
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I'm curious, apart from maybe the bedroom and all that kinky stuff... Where does the dominance come into play in relationships?
I here people using this submissive, dominance thing a lot when talking about couples but i never see it.
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anyone saying no is out of touch with reality
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Originally posted by Solaris
anyone saying no is out of touch with reality
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truth has been spoken
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Patiently awaiting Ties, her reply.
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Originally posted by Solaris
anyone saying no is out of touch with reality
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How about you speak for yourself? Not everyone goes along with "gender roles" and agrees with it; no need to be rude about it.
Not me editing this post over three times. A true struggle.
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For people saying yes, what are specific examples of gender roles you believe in?
I just voted no because I don't think cooking, cleaning, raising children, manual labor, financially supporting the family, etc. can ONLY be done by one or the other gender..
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No, they're complete ********, to be honest.
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Originally posted by Javan
Patiently awaiting Ties, her reply.
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My impact, let me eat boo.
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Originally posted by Kali.
To me, yes, very.
I don't know what's this new trend with denying something natural.
Even animals have gender roles. They are not a social construct, but rather something that developed naturally based on each gender's biology and predispositions.
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Can you care to explain how we came to the conclusion that males are supposed to be tough and females are supposed to be delicate?
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Originally posted by psychodj
How about you speak for yourself? Not everyone goes along with "gender roles" and agrees with it; no need to be rude about it.
Not me editing this post over three times. A true struggle.
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nobody cares what you think about gender roles, the thread is asking if they're important
and I'm gonna be rude because I don't take anyone rebelling against gender roles seriously lol
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Originally posted by Solaris
anyone saying no is out of touch with reality
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Out of touch with "reality"?
Or out of touch with a reality manufactered by the patriarchy?
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Originally posted by Solaris
nobody cares what you think about gender roles, the thread is asking if they're important
and I'm gonna be rude because I don't take anyone rebelling against gender roles seriously lol
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Who's rebelling? Lol, okay.
I said they're not important. People see things differently in life. Doesn't mean I'm out of touch with reality, but carry on and live your life.
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Originally posted by Tinker
I'm curious, apart from maybe the bedroom and all that kinky stuff... Where does the dominance come into play in relationships?
I here people using this submissive, dominance thing a lot when talking about couples but i never see it.
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Someone's going to be making the orders. That's what I mean by dominant. It's never a 50/50 thing where it's even weight on both sides; one person carries more weight while the other complies. That's what I mean when I say the words dominance and submissive.
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