But I mean why would it matter? and also, how would you KNOW?
Exactly.
And why do people think its ok to police trans people's bodies? What's on the outside doesn't matter. It's who they are on the inside and how they identify that counts.
But I mean why would it matter? and also, how would you KNOW?
Like it or not, trans women have been socialized as men prior to transition and some women have fears of that/male bodies due to them being victims of violence from men and trans women. it is a legitimate issue for them to have.
its definitely an interesting topic. What's stopping a straight man from slapping on a wig and saying "I identify as a woman and want to use the female bathroom" just to get in there
There's a difference between being a pervert and actually being trans.
But why would it be any different if their genitalia wasn't altered if it's a public bathroom/shower?
Maybe I only feel this way because I am a straight women and I can see how this might be obscure for transgender people. We have to consider that it's a women's bathroom. She identifies as a women and its nothing wrong with that but her body is not the same as a woman. Imagine going to the swimming hall entering the public showers and seeing someone's penis that would be uncomfortable since a penis is not something that is part of a female body. As I said before I can also understand how it would be scary for her to enter e male restroom where she might get attacked.
What's weird about this case was she identified herself as a female at age 2.
Like.. What? One's not even able to determine their sexual preference at that age. I just find it astounding to know she stuck by it after all these years. It proves a lot.
I also find it strange that the man who sued was the grandfather of a boy who goes there, so IDK why the grandfather would fuss about a fifth grader trans using the girls room... Like did he want her to use the boys room or something... Boggles my mind. It's great to see her win this case, as strange as it is.
There's a difference between being a pervert and actually being trans.
well obviously. thats not what im getting at. its just how do we know. You can't get mad at a woman for being uncomfortable with someone with a penis using the same restroom as them.
Like it or not, trans women have been socialized as men prior to transition and some women have fears of that/male bodies due to them being victims of violence from men and trans women. it is a legitimate issue for them to have.
I understand but at the end of the day no one will know since there are no urinals in female restrooms. Unisex bathrooms is probably the "best" option but I really don't have a problem with a trans woman going in the bathroom and using it.
well obviously. thats not what im getting at. its just how do we know. You can't get mad at a woman for being uncomfortable with someone with a penis using the same restroom as them.
That's why people advocate for unisex bathrooms to avoid the problem completely.
well obviously. thats not what im getting at. its just how do we know. You can't get mad at a woman for being uncomfortable with someone with a penis using the same restroom as them.
It would be pretty damn easy to tell the difference between a trans person and someone slapping on a wig to use the girl's bathroom. "Passing" as a trans woman takes a shitload of work
well obviously. thats not what im getting at. its just how do we know. You can't get mad at a woman for being uncomfortable with someone with a penis using the same restroom as them.
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of course people might not know but some women will be made extremely uncomfortable at the thought of it
This. People most comprehend this. It's not one sided at all.
It would be pretty damn easy to tell the difference between a trans person and someone slapping on a wig to use the girl's bathroom. "Passing" as a trans woman takes a shitload of work
This is partly true, but what about trans woman who don't want to look "passing", or have yet to start transitioning?
well obviously. thats not what im getting at. its just how do we know. You can't get mad at a woman for being uncomfortable with someone with a penis using the same restroom as them.
But at the same time, you can't be mad at someone who doesn't feel like a man wanting to use the men's restroom. It's a two way street.