[iHype.]

@ him messing up his fave's career.

[the floacist]

Originally posted by iHypeMusic

@ him messing up his fave's career.

It was the FCC that ruined her career really. Even if he defended her, the results would have been the same. He's suck a f-ck boy. Saying 'The way you guys are treating her is wrong' is ALL he had to do. Seriously, ALL he had to do.

Originally posted by Get Back

I've never seen these He really is a huge stan which makes it seem worse. Are there any more?



I've always thought Britney's Everytime was inspired by Janet's. Both piano ballads with the same title and have videos with bathtub scenes. It really shows the similarities between them, which makes it even more coincidental that Justin was infatuated with both.

http://janetgifs.tumblr.com/tagged/justin%20timberlake





Video of him humming Every Time
http://girlwereyoualone.tumblr.com/p...ing-every-time

[the floacist]

Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf

It's even more weird considering the song is allegedly apologizing for cheating on him

And Janet's Every Time is about not wanting to fall in love again. What kind of illuminati? I wonder what Janet song they were listening to when they kissed Probably something from the Rhythm Nation album since Britney always said that was her favorite Janet album.

Originally posted by Kool_Aid_King

nn;; right?

He reminds me of an ATRL member

@ the situation, it was a big deal because it showed a huge flaw in live TV. Janet is the reason for the 5 second delay for all live events after it. Millions of children around America saw it.

Janet needs to come with that album, but I guess I know now why she probably never will..

If Justin wasn't famous he'd be the ATRL member with Janet icons and signatures dragging anyone who says anything bad about her

[Mr. Wonder]

Originally posted by Get Back

Selling seven million copies of AFY isn't much of a decline even if its a smaller amount. Not to mention TVR had five singles while AFY had three. The most recent album's Madonna, Whitney, and Mariah had out before DJ ALL sold within the same amount as DJ did worldwide (in the 3-4 million range). She was still on MTV frequently and was even named their official 'Icon', and MTV selected her to play the Superbowl THEY were producing. And again, All for You was the biggest hit of the year. It wouldn't of changed THAT drastically in just two years.

TVR had TWO official singles in the US - TA and IGL. GTIG, GD, You, and ET were either promo singles or were released in select countries. And you missed my point about the other females of that time. Madonna outsold all of her 90s studio albums with ROL. Mariah did the same with TEOM (her previous three), and Whitney outsold the WTE and TPW soundtracks with MYIYL. No one is saying the change would have been drastic, like you're making it out to be, but by the time DJ had come out, MTV was catering to the bubblegum acts of the 00s and they weren't getting the recurrent promo they were once getting.

Yes? Not sure why that's hard to believe. JALW was doing great before it was pulled from airplay, and AN is one of the best and most innovative song's she's ever released. They both had great reviews. And 4 or 5 million would've still been excellent for someone who's a veteran like she was. She didn't have to outsell her prior albums to still be hugely successful and in touch with the newer generation (just like she was with AFY).

JALW was gonna go top 10, that's about it. It wasn't about to be some monster like TA and AFY were. Janet performed AN(DS) in Canada, Spain, Japan, France, the UK and a slew of other countries and it still did nothing. DJ was not going to be some monster album.

This isn't a parallel at all. Aretha and Dionne are from a different generation. They're not able to work with newer producers and keep their sound more contemporary in the same way Janet, Madonna, and Mariah do. It's kind of crazy to think she would've just stopped getting hits all the sudden without the Superbowl and blacklist happening. I can't even believe anyone would legitimately believe that who wasn't trying to be spiteful.

What?! Aretha was chasing pop hits in the 80s. "Who's Zoomin' Who?", "Freeway Of Love", the duet with George Michael? They all featured new producers, and they were all complete departures from the gospel-tinged cuts we were used to hearing from her. All those women worked with newer producers to update their sound. Chaka worked with Prince. Aretha worked with Luther. The list truly goes on.

[Nicky22]

Originally posted by Johnny Cash

Explain again why was it his fault? People decided to blame Janet as simple as that. It was her performance and it was her idea after all right? Why is he blamed for doing something she wanted him to do? I don't think she deserves all the blacklash she had but to blame JT isn't any better. It was just an accident.

He's what you call a punk b I t c h. The bitch knows exactly what he did . Glad his punk ass got snubbed from Grammys . He's the perfect representation of the music industry being fake

His karma will be coming. . Can't wait for it

[MusicTalker]

I'm disgusted by how Janet was treated after the Super Bowl.

She got blacklisted because of a nipple? People need to grow the hell up.

[T.C]

Originally posted by Lately 1814

JALW was gonna go top 10, that's about it. It wasn't about to be some monster like TA and AFY were. Janet performed AN(DS) in Canada, Spain, Japan, France, the UK and a slew of other countries and it still did nothing. DJ was not going to be some monster album.

Or maybe other countries were being harsh on her aswell because of the SB (even if America gave her the worst treatment), idk i just think ANDS could have been a jam, Europeans dig that sort of music usually. But then again maybe her age played a factor, being near 40 at the time.

[Mr. Wonder]

Originally posted by tcweh

Or maybe other countries were being harsh on her aswell because of the SB (even if America gave her the worst treatment), idk i just think ANDS could have been a jam, Europeans dig that sort of music usually. But then again maybe her age played a factor, being near 40 at the time.

Football outside of the US is a non-factor. Most countries didn't understand the patronization. I know in France it's common for women to be on certain shows either topless, or having a sheer shirt that show the breasts. They're comfortable in their own skin. ANDS would have been a mild hit, not enough to carry the album. At least with AFY, had AFY not been big, there was still COGU and STCML to help it out. DJ doesn't have that.

[Get Back]

Originally posted by Lately 1814

TVR had TWO official singles in the US - TA and IGL. GTIG, GD, You, and ET were either promo singles or were released in select countries. And you missed my point about the other females of that time. Madonna outsold all of her 90s studio albums with ROL. Mariah did the same with TEOM (her previous three), and Whitney outsold the WTE and TPW soundtracks with MYIYL. No one is saying the change would have been drastic, like you're making it out to be, but by the time DJ had come out, MTV was catering to the bubblegum acts of the 00s and they weren't getting the recurrent promo they were once getting.

She still had five videos for promotion. Even if she didn't outsell her prior albums, she was still extremely successful and doing great. With TVR she barely promoted it outside of the tour, in comparison to her peers who did alot more. And ten million with only two commercial singles is phenomenally good. And after AFY, who's to say she wouldn't of sold another seven million around the mid-2000s if the blacklist never happened? With the resurgence her peers had after that, she could've done the same (especially since she never truly underperformed before). Yes MTV was catering to the newer acts but they still gave her plenty of airtime and she was able to fit in with the younger audience fine so that's invalid.

JALW was gonna go top 10, that's about it. It wasn't about to be some monster like TA and AFY were. Janet performed AN(DS) in Canada, Spain, Japan, France, the UK and a slew of other countries and it still did nothing. DJ was not going to be some monster album.

It likely would've done better than that, especially since there were two versions of it, but top ten is still excellent. AN was the monster hit from the album though. And yes she did promote it alot internationally but again, the radio blacklist from some of the biggest media companies in the world (one being one of the top five biggest) is what affected everything. I didn't say DJ would be a monster, but it still sold well with all things considered and likely would've done in the 5-6 million range without the blacklist post Superbowl.

What?! Aretha was chasing pop hits in the 80s. "Who's Zoomin' Who?", "Freeway Of Love", the duet with George Michael? They all featured new producers, and they were all complete departures from the gospel-tinged cuts we were used to hearing from her. All those women worked with newer producers to update their sound. Chaka worked with Prince. Aretha worked with Luther. The list truly goes on.

That's not what I'm saying. If she wanted to work with Dr Luke for example, or someone really contemporary like she has alot before, it would still garner some interest from the newer generation today, while if someone like Aretha did it wouldn't work like that now. I know what you're trying to say but there's really no parallels there in how you're trying to compare it, especially since they're not similar artists to begin with. But please no more discussion on this

[the floacist]

Originally posted by Nicky22

He's what you call a punk b I t c h. The bitch knows exactly what he did . Glad his punk ass got snubbed from Grammys . He's the perfect representation of the music industry being fake

His karma will be coming. . Can't wait for it

He still won a R&B award. Lmao, he finally got what he wanted and he didn't even bother to show up. If Kanye West didn't go to the Grammys because of a snub people would be going in on him non-stop.

I don't think karma will ever come his way. Unless being forced to marry that woman is his karma. He doesn't seem very happy with her.

[Mr. Wonder]

Originally posted by Get Back

She still had five videos for promotion. Even if she didn't outsell her prior albums, she was still extremely successful and doing great. With TVR she barely promoted it outside of the tour, in comparison to her peers who did alot more. And ten million with only two commercial singles is phenomenally good. And after AFY, who's to say she wouldn't of sold another seven million around the mid-2000s if the blacklist never happened? With the resurgence her peers had after that, she could've done the same (especially since she never truly underperformed before). Yes MTV was catering to the newer acts but they still gave her plenty of airtime and she was able to fit in with the younger audience fine so that's invalid.

Had the SB not happened, DJ was NOT out-selling even AFY. Her popularity was declining because that's what happens. You won't always be on top forever.

It likely would've done better than that, especially since there were two versions of it, but top ten is still excellent. AN was the monster hit from the album though. And yes she did promote it alot internationally but again, the radio blacklist from some of the biggest media companies in the world (one being one of the top five biggest) is what affected everything. I didn't say DJ would be a monster, but it still sold well with all things considered and likely would've done in the 5-6 million range without the blacklist post Superbowl.

No, no, no. Clear Channel does not operate international radio. There's plenty of AN(DS) performances, the world was NOT here for it. It was not going to be some big hit and carry the album.

That's not what I'm saying. If she wanted to work with Dr Luke for example, or someone really contemporary like she has alot before, it would still garner some interest from the newer generation today, while if someone like Aretha did it wouldn't work like that now. I know what you're trying to say but there's really no parallels there in how you're trying to compare it, especially since they're not similar artists to begin with. But please no more discussion on this

Aretha also worked with Lauryn Hill in 1998. Stop it.

[Gangsta4alife]

As far as this friendly debate in this thread of what would have happened with Janet's career had the blacklist not have happened. Well imo:

. Damita Jo would have went #1 and sold 4 - 5 million worldwide. The sales were not going to be as big as the previous era because of the lack of crossover hits, plus the critics would have still derided it for being lackluster. I do think she would have had a tour for the era albeit it remains to be seen how well it would have done since Janet's cancelling of her european dates for her previous tour, could have damaged some potential to re establish herself to new up & coming music listeners.

. 20 YO & Discipline would have done better sales wise and their would have been more sizeable hits but all in all it was still going to be a decline. As Janet's topics she was exploring became redundant and due to her older age people would have criticized her for trying to compete with the youngins. I do think maybe the so called lena horne biopic would go through (though lena handling the situation was so just another topic)

. However with the MJ trial and the controversy over it I do think she would have still been sucked into the media circus which would have hurt her simply by affiliation.

. Lastly I do think these younger people wouldn't be so quick to call her old news or what they deem to be local

It really upsets me though to know that Janet could have made so much better decisions DJ shoulda never saw the light of day when I learned she had nothing to say while making that project. Only if she rescheduled those international dates for the AFY tour, actually not wait like almost a decade to tour again etc...... so many things wrong smh

[Get Back]

Lately 1814;19203876]Had the SB not happened, DJ was NOT out-selling even AFY. Her popularity was declining because that's what happens. You won't always be on top forever.

I didn't mean DJ and I didn't say she would be. But she still would've been very successful if it didn't happen and that's the point I'm trying to make. You don't have to be in your prime to get hits and have albums performing well.

No, no, no. Clear Channel does not operate international radio. There's plenty of AN(DS) performances, the world was NOT here for it. It was not going to be some big hit and carry the album.

I know and I wasn't talking about them, there's several other companies involved with producing the halftime show who are global. AN had great reviews and a really international sound, there's no doubt it would've done well if it never happened.

Aretha also worked with Lauryn Hill in 1998. Stop it.

This has nothing to do with her. They really don't have parallels because they weren't ever similar artists. But again, please no more discussion on this. It's not what the threads about.

[Auburn]

Janet was done so so wrong

[i spit on haters]

Originally posted by the floacist

[RichyRich]

The FCC and the media completely wronged this woman. A complete overreaction!

Justin morally is a pig! He literally left the poor woman for dead. This was supposed to be his icon, his favorite artist and he left her for dead. I never looked at him the same again.

[Eternium]

Originally posted by the floacist

If Justin wasn't famous he'd be the ATRL member with Janet icons and signatures dragging anyone who says anything bad about her

He would've left her fandom the minute her albums stopped selling so well.

[IMPACTNET.]

Originally posted by Gangsta4alife

As far as this friendly debate in this thread of what would have happened with Janet's career had the blacklist not have happened. Well imo:

. Damita Jo would have went #1 and sold 4 - 5 million worldwide. The sales were not going to be as big as the previous era because of the lack of crossover hits, plus the critics would have still derided it for being lackluster. I do think she would have had a tour for the era albeit it remains to be seen how well it would have done since Janet's cancelling of her european dates for her previous tour, could have damaged some potential to re establish herself to new up & coming music listeners.

. 20 YO & Discipline would have done better sales wise and their would have been more sizeable hits but all in all it was still going to be a decline. As Janet's topics she was exploring became redundant and due to her older age people would have criticized her for trying to compete with the youngins. I do think maybe the so called lena horne biopic would go through (though lena handling the situation was so just another topic)

. However with the MJ trial and the controversy over it I do think she would have still been sucked into the media circus which would have hurt her simply by affiliation.

. Lastly I do think these younger people wouldn't be so quick to call her old news or what they deem to be local

It really upsets me though to know that Janet could have made so much better decisions DJ shoulda never saw the light of day when I learned she had nothing to say while making that project. Only if she rescheduled those international dates for the AFY tour, actually not wait like almost a decade to tour again etc...... so many things wrong smh

If Super bowl hadn't happened 20 YO and Discipline wouldn't exist. 20 YO only happened because Damita Jo underperformed and the label needed a hit album from her. Hence, there only being a 2 year gap instead of her usual 4 year. Janet released 20 YO to try and remind people what a classic Control was because she realized people were trying to edge her out. Discipline was a rushed mess of a project. Janet was on a new label and L.A. Reid wanted a new album ASAP. Janet isn't good when that kinda pressure is on her. She does best when she takes her time.

[IMPACTNET.]

Originally posted by Lately 1814

Point after point after point, and I am unable to find the lies.




Not touring with AFY hurt her international fame the most. She missed out on an opportunity to introduce herself to a new generation of music listeners and lovers. But the [I]Number Ones: Demin Jeans and Wife Beaters Tour[/I] proved she still is a viable product around the world. If she can sell out venues regardless of size off the strength of a back catalog with no formal promotion, there's no doubt in my mind that a few hits can get her back to arena/stadium status that she once had.

[Mrs. Aaron Paul]

Why are we dragging this up when Justin apologized for all this years ago? It's even in the op that he said he should've handled it better. The FCC deserve the lions share of the blame. I can't @ people saying he ruined her career