And Kelly is no one's spinto soprano. Her voice is far too small. Whenever she sings with volume, the voice picks up rasp. And the amount of sound she produces isn't close to that of a true spinto voice. She has some warmth in her timbre, that's all.
I can find many sites that write reviews on vocalists that all back up my claim as her being a Spinto Soprano. Spinto's don't have the volume of a dramatic soprano, however they have a unique slicing tone that cuts through an orchestral backing.
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Okay, maybe it's true. I do remember seeing a few bad vocal performances from her a few years back and now she's definitely not making the same mistakes anymore. Especially in her upper register. Her voice is also more resonant now.
Kelly : Has power in upper register
Beyoncé : has power in mid-register
Brandy : has power in lower register
Now both have powerful voices, period.
But Beyoncé used to be excessive with her runs, she used to not be able to belt as high and her head voice has improved A LOT.
I've followed Kelly more, and you've followed Beyoncé more, so I'll trust you with what I bolded. But our faves are definitely the top two vocalists out there. I was happy to see that they started the year performing at the president's inauguration and then having the top two selling female albums of the year (last time I checked).
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Oh please! Just being proficient in 1 or 2 areas isn't enough to take the crown. You gotta have all the essential vocal elements. The complete vocal package.
Read the title of the thread. This isn't about "Who has the best voice," or "Who is the most well-rounded?" (I'd still argue Kelly, but that's besides the point.) This thread is about who's voice has deteriorated the least. From my perspective, and from what I've seen, Kelly's has improved the most. Therefore, she got my vote for this thread.
I didn't use virtuoso to describe her, I just said she was. I know she's a mezzo-soprano and I know she's a coloratura. She's the epitome of a coloratura. She also has incredible musicianship, I think that should be mentioned. Her knowledge about music is a bit underrated.
Here's Beyoncé belting a bunch of F5's without having to scoop the notes or scale up to them
YES! I love how she's able to belt the same note in different ways. 1 dimensional belting is not on her plane.
I can find many sites that write reviews on vocalists that all back up my claim as her being a Spinto Soprano. Spinto's don't have the volume of a dramatic soprano, however they have a unique slicing tone that cuts through an orchestral backing.
Most of those sites are written by people who have no clue what they're on about. I bet some of them call Christina Aguilera a spinto voice too.
A spinto's sound output is very similar to that of a dramatic. The difference is the dramatic is more expansive and metallic, the spinto's more rich.
"Unique slicing tone"- No....they use squillo (which is not a tone, but a result of resonance) to cut through the orchestra. Speaking of orchestra, which orchestra has Kelly Clarkson cut through in a live performance without a microphone?
You're calling a singer who strains at the slightest increase of volume a spinto all because she belts really high notes at the top of her lungs.....
To top it off, the amount of volume she produces in the upper belt of her voice isn't the same amount she produces in the middle or in the higher register of her voice. Not a spinto at ALL.
It would be something if she has shown actual spinto qualities in the voice, but she hasn't.
Edit: And spintos usually have a very well-supported lower register. Kelly can barely sing below Middle C. She's a light-lyric soprano who tries to use more force than she actually has to produce powerful sounds when belting.
Most of those sites are written by people who have no clue what they're on about. I bet some of them call Christina Aguilera a spinto voice too.
No, they don't. You tried though.
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A spinto's sound output is very similar to that of a dramatic. The difference is the dramatic is more expansive and metallic, the spinto's more rich.
"Unique slicing tone"- No....they use squillo (which is not a tone, but a result of resonance) to cut through the orchestra. Speaking of orchestra, which orchestra has Kelly Clarkson cut through in a live performance without a microphone?
A recent performance of Kelly singing with a huge orchestra was done outside, in 20 degree weather, in front of 100,000 people. No one would be able to project loud enough for those to hear it. It's impractical.
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You're calling a singer who strains at the slightest increase of volume a spinto all because she belts really high notes at the top of her lungs.....
Kelly used to have a bad habit of straining due to the vocal stress of being overworked during her Breakaway era. I can't remember the last time Kelly strained in a vocal performance past her crappy Superbowl halftime show in 2007 (I think).
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To top it off, the amount of volume she produces in the upper belt of her voice isn't the same amount she produces in the middle or in the higher register of her voice. Not a spinto at ALL.
It would be something if she has shown actual spinto qualities in the voice, but she hasn't.
Like I said, I'm not the only one that recognizes her as a Spinto soprano:
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Clarkson's upper extremes of the range, as well as the head voice, contains the characteristics of a full lyric soprano. However, the entirety of the voice is of a grounded nature, containing a powerful and incisive upper register, which would place her voice in the spinto category, due to her lack of full dramatic power.
Honestly, you're extremely biased against Kelly. I don't know what she ever did to you, but you'd sound more credible if you gave her credit when she deserves it. Just saying.
I haven't tried anything. On these non-sources, it's either Aguilera's a spinto or she has a 4 octave range. So if it the former, it must be the latter.
Edit: And would you look at that? The site where you got your info= divadevotee, where they say Christina has a 4 octave range. I rest my case.
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A recent performance of Kelly singing with a huge orchestra was done outside, in 20 degree weather, in front of 100,000 people. No one would be able to project loud enough for those to hear it. It's impractical.
Kelly doesn't project. She pushes, forces, screams, and strains.
And classical singers, even when miked, they stand AWAY from the microphones and project.
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Kelly used to have a bad habit of straining due to the vocal stress of being overworked during her Breakaway era. I can't remember the last time Kelly strained in a vocal performance past her crappy Superbowl halftime show in 2007 (I think).
She still does. She strains ALL the time. As soon as she starts singing loudly, her voice gets raspy.
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Like I said, I'm not the only one that recognizes her as a Spinto soprano:
Crying! You got it from that awful divadevotee site. Exactly what I meant when I said your sources were written by people who have no clue what they're on about.
Do you even listen to legitimate repertoire written for the spinto voice? You're taking information from people who listen to pop music and try and insert a classical context into it, without having any knowledge of the classical. The description given doesn't even make sense. Not to mention they've based this "conclusion" off a SMALL section of her voice (her high belts). When a singer is classified in terms of fach, it's based on the WHOLE voice.
Honestly, you're extremely biased against Kelly. I don't know what she ever did to you, but you'd sound more credible if you gave her credit when she deserves it. Just saying.
Calling someone a spinto soprano has nothing to do with giving credit. It's a "you are or you ain't" thing, and Kelly ain't.
I haven't tried anything. On these non-sources, it's either Aguilera's a spinto or she has a 4 octave range. So if it the former, it must be the latter.
Edit: And would you look at that? The site where you got your info= divadevotee, where they say Christina has a 4 octave range. I rest my case.
Kelly doesn't project at all.
And classical singers, even when miked, they stand AWAY from the microphones and project.
She still does. She strains ALL the time. As soon as she starts singing loudly, her voice gets raspy.
Crying! You got it from that awful divadevotee site? Exactly what I meant when I said your sources were written by people who have no clue what they're on about.
I mean...do you even listen to legitimate repertoire written for the spinto voice? You're taking information from people who listen to pop music and try and insert a classical context into it, without having any knowledge of the classical. The description given doesn't even make sense. Not to mention they've based this "conclusion" off a SMALL section of her voice (her high belts). When a singer is classified in terms of fach, it's based on the WHOLE voice.
Calling someone a spinto soprano has nothing to do with giving credit. It's a "you are or you ain't" thing, and Kelly ain't.
I'll retract that claim since I don't have enough classical performances on Kelly's part to support it. However, the descriptions of a spinto seem to describe her voice pretty well.
But, aside from that claim, you can't deny that Kelly's voice has improved substantially and that's what I was originally arguing. You went off on one of my points. But, I know you'll sit and try to say that Kelly's voice is "in tatters" because you have some personal vendetta against her. Which is really sad on your part.
I'll retract that claim since I don't have enough classical performances on Kelly's part to support it. However, the descriptions of a spinto seem to describe her voice pretty well.
But, aside from that claim, you can't deny that Kelly's voice has improved substantially and that's what I was originally arguing. You went off on one of my points. But, I know you'll sit and try to say that Kelly's voice is "in tatters" because you have some personal vendetta against her. Which is really sad on your part.
Well, seeing as how Kelly's never given an authentic classical performance.....
The description of a spinto soprano doesn't fit her voice in any way, shape or form. Like I said, this entire "spinto" nonsense is based on her top belts. Vocal classification deals with the whole voice. Spintos have strong lower registers, she has none. Spintos produce immense sound in ALL registers of their voice. Kelly will blast her top note at top volume, but actually sustaining intense, voluminous passages, she can't do.
a) The amount of sound Kelly produces isn't immense by any means
b) she can't even translate it into all of her registers. Not to mention she lacks the size for it.
Sorry, I'm not like y'all. I have better things to spend my feelings on than holding a vendetta against a woman I don't even know. I said her voice was in tatters. Not her personality, not her life, not her character. Her VOICE. Because it is. You base vocal health off vocal range, when it depends on how well supported the sound is, how in tune the singer is, how connected the vocal line is and the registers are, how well the sound is produced, how coordinated the sound is from bottom to top etc. In all those areas, she falters...hard.
2:39- Her voice "cuts" through two male voices without any effort
3:03- Her voice cuts through (and overpowers) EVERYONE'S without effort
5:59-6:11- She produces the same output of sound in her higher register.
A rich, resounding large voice in the entirety of the vocal line.
Well, seeing as how Kelly's never given an authentic classical performance.....
The description of a spinto soprano doesn't fit her voice in any way, shape or form. Like I said, this entire "spinto" nonsense is based on her top belts. Vocal classification deals with the whole voice. Spintos have strong lower registers, she has none. Spintos produce immense sound in ALL registers of their voice. Kelly will blast her top note at top volume, but actually sustaining intense, voluminous passages, she can't do.
a) The amount of sound Kelly produces isn't immense by any means
b) she can't even translate it into all of her registers. Not to mention she lacks the size for it.
Sorry, I'm not like y'all. I have better things to spend my feelings on than holding a vendetta against a woman I don't even know. I said her voice was in tatters. Not her personality, not her life, not her character. Her VOICE. Because it is. You base vocal health off vocal range, when it depends on how well supported the sound is, how in tune the singer is, how connected the vocal line is and the registers are, how well the sound is produced, how coordinated the sound is from bottom to top etc. In all those areas, she falters...hard.
I want evidence. Y'all are so basic with your cheap, Dollar General analysis. Bloo and I are the only ones to show evidence of our fave singing with power and range.
I want evidence. Y'all are so basic with your cheap, Dollar General analysis. Bloo and I are the only ones to show evidence of our fave singing with power and range.
I haven't tried anything. On these non-sources, it's either Aguilera's a spinto or she has a 4 octave range. So if it the former, it must be the latter.
Edit: And would you look at that? The site where you got your info= divadevotee, where they say Christina has a 4 octave range. I rest my case.
Kelly doesn't project. She pushes, forces, screams, and strains.
And classical singers, even when miked, they stand AWAY from the microphones and project.
She still does. She strains ALL the time. As soon as she starts singing loudly, her voice gets raspy.
Are you thinking of XTina?
Kelly doesn't "scream" or "strain". If she did, her voice would be gone by now.