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Poll: More iconic career: Mariah vs Whitney
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Mariah Carey
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43.38% |
Whitney Houston
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56.62% |
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Today's singers namedrop Mariah as an inspiration more than they do Whitney, that is a FACT.
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It's amazing how much Mariah Carey has accomplished and is still not credited for anything.
So Whitney.
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Originally posted by Genocide
IWALY alone is more memorable than Mariah as a musician.
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Another fact: no one would be saying this before Whitney's death
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Originally posted by Genocide
No Mariah song is as memorable as IWALY and IWDWS. And it is arguable that IWALY alone is more memorable than Mariah as a musician.
Whitney is admired more as a vocalist and her songs are more recognizable. This is no question.
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I would say that All I Want For Christmas could compete with IWALY.
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Originally posted by DejaVu
Another fact: no one would be saying this before Whitney's death
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Before or after, it would still apply.
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Originally posted by Altidor
I would say that All I Want For Christmas could compete with IWALY.
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Arguable, but it's not a good thing to have a Christmas song overshadow all of your studio material..
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Originally posted by Cain
It's amazing how much Mariah Carey has accomplished and is still not credited for anything.
So Whitney.
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Mariah popularized melisma with Vision Of Love
Mariah was the first female to bring pop music and hip-hop together with the remix of Fantasy which is given a lot of credit for starting the whole female musician featuring a rapper trend
""Fantasy" exemplified how a music sample could be transformed "into a fully realized pop masterpiece".[46] The song and its remix arguably remains as one of Carey's most important singles to date. Due to the success and influence of the song, Carey is credited for introducing R&B and hip hop into mainstream pop culture, and for popularizing rap as a featuring act through her post-1995 songs.[47] Sasha Frere-Jones, editor of The New Yorker commented in referencing to the song's remix, "It became standard for R&B/hip-hop stars like Missy Elliott and Beyoncé, to combine melodies with rapped verses. And young white pop stars—including Britney Spears, 'N Sync, and Christina Aguilera—have spent much of the past ten years making pop music that is unmistakably R&B."[47] Moreover Jones concludes that "Her idea of pairing a female songbird with the leading male MCs of hip-hop changed R&B and, eventually, all of pop. Although now anyone is free to use this idea, the success of "Mimi" [ref. to The Emancipation of Mimi, her tenth studio album released almost a decade after Fantasy] suggests that it still belongs to Carey."[47]
John Norris of MTV News has stated that the remix was "responsible for, I would argue, an entire wave of music that we've seen since and that is the R&B-hip-hop collaboration. You could argue that the 'Fantasy' remix was the single most important recording that she's ever made." Norris echoed the sentiments of TLC's Lisa Lopes, who told MTV that it's because of Mariah that we have "Hip-Pop."[48] Judnick Mayard, writer of TheFader, wrote that in regarding of R&B and hip hop collaboration, "The champion of this movement is Mariah Carey."[49] Mayard also expressed that "To this day ODB and Mariah may still be the best and most random hip hop collaboration of all time", citing that due to the record "Fantasy", "R&B and Hip Hop were the best of step siblings."[49] In the 1998 film Rush Hour, Soo Yong is singing the song while it plays on the car radio, shortly before her kidnapping."
You tried it tho
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Originally posted by Genocide
Before or after, it would still apply.
Arguable, but it's not a good thing to have a Christmas song overshadow all of your studio material..
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And IWALY is a cover from a movie soundtrack so I don't get the logic. How is it any better than a self-written holiday classic?
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Originally posted by Genocide
No Mariah song is as memorable as IWALY and IWDWS. And it is arguable that IWALY alone is more memorable than Mariah as a musician.
Whitney is admired more as a vocalist and her songs are more recognizable. This is no question.
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Except AIWFCIY is more memorable than any Whitney song
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Originally posted by DejaVu
And IWALY is a cover from a movie soundtrack so I don't get the logic. How is it any better than a self-written holiday classic?
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Exactly
At-least Mariah actually wrote her memorable songs
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Originally posted by Miracle Whip
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I guess you didn't get me, I said Mariah had accomplished a lot but a lot of people discredit and don't acknowledge that.
In their eyes Whitney is more iconic (mainly because of her passing away).
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Originally posted by Cain
I guess you didn't get me, I said Mariah had accomplished a lot but a lot of people discredit and don't acknowledge that.
In their eyes Whitney is more iconic (mainly because of her passing away).
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Oh
Sorry for jumping on you like that
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Love Whitney but Mariah has unbelievable records, 18 #1s 78 weeks @#1 both the highest record of all time for a female.
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Originally posted by DejaVu
And IWALY is a cover from a movie soundtrack so I don't get the logic. How is it any better than a self-written holiday classic?
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This makes no sense. A cover doesn't determine if it's more memorable than another song. Dozens of classics are covers/not written by the recording artist and it doesn't taint how recognizable it is.
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Originally posted by Cain
I guess you didn't get me, I said Mariah had accomplished a lot but a lot of people discredit and don't acknowledge that.
In their eyes Whitney is more iconic (mainly because of her passing away).
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I'm not going to speak for anyone else, but in my eyes, whether she was alive today or not, I'd still be here saying the same thing. And to be honest, the first sentence on this post was on point. Mariah's done a lot, but she's not credited with it.
Funny, I acknowledge that, but I still find Whitney to have the more iconic career, despite me actually liking Mariah more.
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Originally posted by Miracle Whip
Oh
Sorry for jumping on you like that
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Haha no problem.
I actually learned a lot from that post.
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In my world, Mariah.
Whitney has accomplished a lot and her career is iconic, but Mariah's was always much more impressive to me for some reason.
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Originally posted by DejaVu
Mariah didn't have to die to become iconic.
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IM SERIOUSLY ROLLING ON THE GROUND
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Originally posted by Genocide
This makes no sense. A cover doesn't determine if it's more memorable than another song. Dozens of classics are covers/not written by the recording artist and it doesn't taint how recognizable it is.
I'm not going to speak for anyone else, but in my eyes, whether she was alive today or not, I'd still be here saying the same thing. And to be honest, the first sentence on this post was on point. Mariah's done a lot, but she's not credited with it.
Funny, I acknowledge that, but I still find Whitney to have the more iconic career, despite me actually liking Mariah more.
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Yes I mean of course there are a lot of people who will choose Whitney over Mariah because of their honest objective opinion.
But you've got to admit that Whitney has gained a lot of fans and attention since she's passed away that she wouldn't have gotten were she still alive today (which is horrible, but true).
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the one who actually wrote her songs and had control of her career
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Originally posted by Cain
Yes I mean of course there are a lot of people who will choose Whitney over Mariah because of their honest objective opinion.
But you've got to admit that Whitney has gained a lot of fans and attention since she's passed away that she wouldn't have gotten were she still alive today (which is horrible, but true).
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It is sad, but true. However, Whitney has had her fair share of iconic moments in her career, too. Even before her death, she was still iconic. Just like MJ's pedophilia case and drug abuse doesn't affect his legacy either.
I think most people would say Whitney. You said it best - Mariah's done much more in her career, but she gets no credit for it.
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