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Discussion: Beyoncé's thoughts about 4
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Originally posted by TheMariahMafia
Okay....my two cents:
I personally think "4" was a solid effort. However it wasn't her best work. I feel as though B'Day is, although DIL is classic in the GP's eyes.
The issue with Beyoncé (this goes farther than 4), is that she overthinks everything IMO. Every move is always so calculated and almost contrived. I highly doubt she ever has the intention of not being organic with her art; she just comes off as if she's not. She wants to promote this image and that one, cater to this audience, cater to that one. Not realizing that it's driving a deeper wedge between she and the actual music buying public. So be that as it may, 4 wasn't as big as it should've been because it simply didn't provide a connection for listeners. As a hardcore fan, I listened and appreciated the music but at the end I was left with the question, "what's the big picture here?".
I feel like once Beyoncé asks herself that, she will create masterpieces. She's more than capable, just trying the wrong ways.
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I actually think it's the opposite. I think she underthinks her eras and doesn't plan them out properly. Way too many singles, videos, & album versions per era. Not very concise as a whole. Every era except for her first has been messy.
Beyonce as an artist limits herself too much when it comes to musical content. It is consistently about themes of love & female empowerment. The day she stops making songs ''for all the ladies'' is the day she will grow as an artist. You never get to know her or what she is feeling or going through in her music since she claims to mostly be making music ''for all the ladies''. The connect isn't there. DIL is probably her most sincere & from the heart.
Everything else had an agenda. B'day was the ''uptempo R&B/funk sassy album'' her fans wanted hence why it still to this day is a fan favorite, IASF was her ''going pop'' to get more international cred , & 4 was her going retro for critical acclaim after achieving her goal of mass commercial success with IASF.
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Originally posted by Katy.Kat.23
The only pop girl with a classic album is MAYBE Britney with BOMT, so let's just end that discussion right there.
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this thread has nothing to do with neither Britney nor BOMT. You can always open one that suits your interest(s)
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Originally posted by Nippy'sReceipts
I actually think it's the opposite. I think she underthinks her eras and doesn't plan them out properly. Way too many singles, videos, & album versions per era. Not very concise as a whole. Every era except for her first has been messy.
Beyonce as an artist limits herself too much when it comes to musical content. It is consistently about themes of love & female empowerment. The day she stops making songs ''for all the ladies'' is the day she will grow as an artist. You never get to know her or what she is feeling or going through in her music since she claims to mostly be making music ''for all the ladies''. The connect isn't there. DIL is probably her most sincere & from the heart.
Everything else had an agenda. B'day was the ''uptempo R&B/funk sassy album'' her fans wanted hence why it still to this day is a fan favorite, IASF was her ''going pop'' to get more international cred , & 4 was her going retro for critical acclaim after achieving her goal of mass commercial success with IASF.
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have u ever thought that just maybe Bey is genuinely passionate about female empowerment? Considering her background; growing up in a women's salon, performing in girl groups since age 9 till her 20s and the bond between her and her members. Singing about themes u dont care about just to silence critiques is not growth, it's conformance. I hink because of her longevity people also tend to forget that she's only on her 4th album, her contemporaries didnt display avast diverity when they were at that point, some stilll havent even several albums later but I shall name no names
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Why is the Hive's making up excuses? I don't think Beyoncé wanted to make an album that underperformed, I think that she thought "4" was going to be more successful than her other albums, and she probably wanted it to be seeing has she had full control of the album. And "4" is nowhere near a "classic", I find the album boring although I did like "Best Thing I Never Had" and "I Miss You" from the album when I listened. The album didn't show anything different, it was quiet similar to her previous album. If she didn't care about "success" she wouldn't have released six singles one after the other she obviously wanted a worldwide hit but sadly she didn't get one.
I also find this very hypocritical, especially if she was talking about Rihanna because when Rihanna was at her fourth album she didn't have has many singles has Beyoncé does now, Beyoncé does throw out single after single.
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Originally posted by DuaneT
Why is the Hive's making up excuses? I don't think Beyoncé wanted to make an album that underperformed, I think that she thought "4" was going to be more successful than her other albums, and she probably wanted it to be seeing has she had full control of the album. And "4" is nowhere near a "classic", I find the album boring although I did like "Best Thing I Never Had" and "I Miss You" from the album when I listened. The album didn't show anything different, it was quiet similar to her previous album. If she didn't care about "success" she wouldn't have released six singles one after the other she obviously wanted a worldwide hit but sadly she didn't get one.
I also find this very hypocritical, especially if she was talking about Rihanna because when Rihanna was at her fourth album she didn't have has many singles has Beyoncé does now, Beyoncé does throw out single after single.
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Oh really, so where are the new singles?
What # era is your fave on again?
How many consecutive number one albums does your fave have? Now how many consecutive number one albums does Beyonce have?
How many grammy does your fave have? Now compare that to how many grammys Beyonce has
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She still made a **** ton of money so I doubt she cared.
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I don't know but I'm sure she was very happy about all the acclaim the album got. I would be sad to know she felt some type of way about lack of singles success when she should be proud of making such an outstanding album.
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Originally posted by Nippy'sReceipts
I actually think it's the opposite. I think she underthinks her eras and doesn't plan them out properly. Way too many singles, videos, & album versions per era. Not very concise as a whole. Every era except for her first has been messy.
Beyonce as an artist limits herself too much when it comes to musical content. It is consistently about themes of love & female empowerment. The day she stops making songs ''for all the ladies'' is the day she will grow as an artist. You never get to know her or what she is feeling or going through in her music since she claims to mostly be making music ''for all the ladies''. The connect isn't there. DIL is probably her most sincere & from the heart.
Everything else had an agenda. B'day was the ''uptempo R&B/funk sassy album'' her fans wanted hence why it still to this day is a fan favorite, IASF was her ''going pop'' to get more international cred , & 4 was her going retro for critical acclaim after achieving her goal of mass commercial success with IASF.
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How the hell is 4 retro? It has like 2 or 3 songs that can be considered retro. It was acclaimed because it's a damn amazing album not because she went retro.
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Originally posted by Demiboyx
Oh really, so where are the new singles?
What # era is your fave on again?
How many consecutive number one albums does your fave have? Now how many consecutive number one albums does Beyonce have?
How many grammy does your fave have? Now compare that to how many grammys Beyonce has
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Drag ha
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Originally posted by DuaneT
Why is the Hive's making up excuses? I don't think Beyoncé wanted to make an album that underperformed, I think that she thought "4" was going to be more successful than her other albums, and she probably wanted it to be seeing has she had full control of the album. And "4" is nowhere near a "classic", I find the album boring although I did like "Best Thing I Never Had" and "I Miss You" from the album when I listened. The album didn't show anything different, it was quiet similar to her previous album. If she didn't care about "success" she wouldn't have released six singles one after the other she obviously wanted a worldwide hit but sadly she didn't get one.
I also find this very hypocritical, especially if she was talking about Rihanna because when Rihanna was at her fourth album she didn't have has many singles has Beyoncé does now, Beyoncé does throw out single after single.
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RIGHT?! I remember a lot of Beyonce's fans were saying she was going to slay without Mathew because he "limited" her and this is what ended up happening. She needs Mathew back, he never would have let the 4 era get this messy. The truth of the matter is her material didn't ignite with listeners outside of the urban community. She did everything right for better or for worse. Massive promo, tested the right singles, released enough singles, etc. The truth is just the material didn't ignite with audiences outside of the R&B crowd. That's why she flopped compared to her last few releases.
And what's with all of this delusions calling it a "classic" . She flopped because the songs weren't as good as what was out at the time.
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Originally posted by Demiboyx
Oh really, so where are the new singles?
What # era is your fave on again?
How many consecutive number one albums does your fave have? Now how many consecutive number one albums does Beyonce have?
How many grammy does your fave have? Now compare that to how many grammys Beyonce has
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Why're you bringing Grammy's into it? Beyoncé has been in the industry 7 years longer than Rihanna and why're you bringing #1's into it? Beyoncé hasn't had a #1 single or even a hit single in five years.
So:
How many Grammy's did Beyoncé have seven years into her career? I don't know how many she had at that point I think it's 14 has a solo artist? Rihanna has got 7 has of now and only seven years into her career, so in another seven years it's possible for Rihanna to have another 7 which would be 14.
How many #1 singles does your fave have? Now how many number one singles does Rihanna have?
Typical hive bringing grammy's and sales into a thread that isn't even about grammy's or sales.
This thread was about Bey struggling to get a hit single and why 4 underperformed compared to her other albums.
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I don't think she cared as much about commercial success like she did with I Am...
However, it would be naive to say that she didn't care at all about the success of the album. If that was the case, she wouldn't have made numerous videos, performances, and released that documentary to build up hype.
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Originally posted by JesusORGod
RIGHT?! I remember a lot of Beyonce's fans were saying she was going to slay without Mathew because he "limited" her and this is what ended up happening. She needs Mathew back, he never would have let the 4 era get this messy. The truth of the matter is her material didn't ignite with listeners outside of the urban community. She did everything right for better or for worse. Massive promo, tested the right singles, released enough singles, etc. The truth is just the material didn't ignite with audiences outside of the R&B crowd. That's why she flopped compared to her last few releases.
And what's with all of this delusions calling it a "classic" . She flopped because the songs weren't as good as what was out at the time.
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I'm glad you've given up the pretence of being a Hive member.
Now, on to the real topic.
4's issue was the messy single choices. The promo was PURELY focused on the first two singles which were both the wrong choices from the album.
If End Of Time was the one on that billboard stage we'd have a completely different situation at hand.
The material was fine, better even than her last releases and could have been more successful.
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You can guys say what you want, but 4 without any hit single sold more than 2 millions of copies!
Rihanna had WFL and TTT sold 3 millions, the same with Unapolegetic.. There's not much difference..
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Member Since: 7/23/2012
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Originally posted by Nippy'sReceipts
I actually think it's the opposite. I think she underthinks her eras and doesn't plan them out properly. Way too many singles, videos, & album versions per era. Not very concise as a whole. Every era except for her first has been messy.
Beyonce as an artist limits herself too much when it comes to musical content. It is consistently about themes of love & female empowerment. The day she stops making songs ''for all the ladies'' is the day she will grow as an artist. You never get to know her or what she is feeling or going through in her music since she claims to mostly be making music ''for all the ladies''. The connect isn't there. DIL is probably her most sincere & from the heart.
Everything else had an agenda. B'day was the ''uptempo R&B/funk sassy album'' her fans wanted hence why it still to this day is a fan favorite, IASF was her ''going pop'' to get more international cred , & 4 was her going retro for critical acclaim after achieving her goal of mass commercial success with IASF.
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Yes, Yes, and Yes.
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I think she obviously cared, I mean, Beyoncé has never been used to underperforming, she did everything she could to make Run The World explode on charts and then saw there was no way so she made it look like a buzz single and released Best Thing I Never Had and 1+1 that eventhough they are great, they are not good as singles. She kinda messed that era. The album is one of the best ever.
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Originally posted by prayer
Yes, but Beyoncé was clearly concerned about the commercial success of the album, hence why she released a big upbeat club banger as the first single and promoted the rest of the singles to death in hope of them becoming successful. It's not a bad thing, it's what artists do.
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Originally posted by Katy.Kat.23
But Beyonce isn't some indie artist that is making albums just because. All of the pop girls make music to be successful, and that's that. If they decide to "make music for the art first" then their record label would give a big old "hell, no" and make her turn right back around and record hits. That's just how it is.
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Of course as a pop star she wanted it to do well but that's not the ultimate aim at all. You can obviously hear it in the music, she definitely tried to create something with substance other than jumping on the latest trends for some quick hit singles.
She's gotten to the point that an underperformed album won't hurt her career that much, she is caplable of getting money and publicity from all sources of things.
That's just my opinion because she's known as a big promo-***** (just as big as Gaga or Katy) but I just don't feel like she's thirsty for commercial success as much as her previous eras.
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Originally posted by DuaneT
Why is the Hive's making up excuses? I don't think Beyoncé wanted to make an album that underperformed, I think that she thought "4" was going to be more successful than her other albums, and she probably wanted it to be seeing has she had full control of the album.
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I'm going to stop you right there. Of course, everyone wants to sell and be successful but I'm sure she wasn't devastated by it's underperformance. Based on LIBAD, her thoughts seemed to be "If the album did well, great. If it didn't, oh well" because she'd rather put her heart and soul into an album than to kiss radio's ass for a hit single. Bey always has control over her albums so that last sentence is just a mess.
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And "4" is nowhere near a "classic", I find the album boring although I did like "Best Thing I Never Had" and "I Miss You" from the album when I listened. The album didn't show anything different, it was quiet similar to her previous album.
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It may not be a classic but everything else you just said are merely opinions. Music taste is subjective. 4 is nothing like IASF. The only songs that could possibly fit on that album are I Miss You & I Was Here.
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If she didn't care about "success" she wouldn't have released six singles one after the other she obviously wanted a worldwide hit but sadly she didn't get one.
I also find this very hypocritical, especially if she was talking about Rihanna because when Rihanna was at her fourth album she didn't have has many singles has Beyoncé does now, Beyoncé does throw out single after single.
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She released everything all at once for obvious reasons. She was pregnant and she was still in an era... But no excuses. What's done is done. She had to please the fans some way or another. And pls. Besides RTW & BTINH, there were 3 - 4 month gaps between singles and just NO @ the last part. Bey may "throw out" a lot of singles during eras but she STILL has a 2 year gap between albums unlike Rih who releases singles from her album throughout the year and then fall comes and a new single for a new era is out not even a good 2 months after the last ended (not that that's a bad thing) but clearly there's a difference. Sometimes you people just troll for the fun of it and don't even try to make sense.
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Originally posted by YeaBey4ever
I'm going to stop you right there. Of course, everyone wants to sell and be successful but I'm sure she wasn't devastated by it's underperformance. Based on LIBAD, her thoughts seemed to be "If the album did well, great. If it didn't, oh well" because she'd rather put her heart and soul into an album than to kiss radio's ass for a hit single. Bey always has control over her albums so that last sentence is just a mess.
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But in LIBAD she expressed the reason for letting go of Mathew as her manager was that she wanted creative control so that kinda goes against your point. Mind you these words were from King B haself.
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Originally posted by DuaneT
Why is the Hive's making up excuses? I don't think Beyoncé wanted to make an album that underperformed, I think that she thought "4" was going to be more successful than her other albums, and she probably wanted it to be seeing has she had full control of the album. And "4" is nowhere near a "classic", I find the album boring although I did like "Best Thing I Never Had" and "I Miss You" from the album when I listened. The album didn't show anything different, it was quiet similar to her previous album. If she didn't care about "success" she wouldn't have released six singles one after the other she obviously wanted a worldwide hit but sadly she didn't get one.
I also find this very hypocritical, especially if she was talking about Rihanna because when Rihanna was at her fourth album she didn't have has many singles has Beyoncé does now, Beyoncé does throw out single after single.
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THANK YOU! The Hive believe anything she says though, even though she was the only major pop girl in their last era to release 6+ singles. She's on Nicki Minaj's level.
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