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Poll: Religion in schools
View Poll Results: Religion in public schools?
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Yes
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19.64% |
No
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Member Since: 5/7/2012
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Originally posted by Javan
I understand, but why should we allow others to suffer because of the ignorance of the majority? Of course it's easier to say "oh, it's unnecessary", when you are not on the receiving end of the prejudice and discrimination.
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School teaches you technical skills to get through life. That's it. It is not there to teach you how to treat others or how open minded you should be. That's up to you, your parents, and whoever else is in your personal life. School isn't there to teach you not to be a dick.
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Originally posted by Guernica
Religion isn't essential in life. Math and english is. You won't get very far without math and english skills, not be able to get many jobs or even live an independent life. You can live a life without religion perfectly fine, I've been doing that my entire life.
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This is entirely subjective. You don't need religion, and that's fine, but many people in fact do. Everyone has different needs.
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Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
Yes.
Removing religion from schools will cause people to be ignorant about the world around them. Children should be taught about world religions, not just the Western ones. So they can achieve a more rounded education.
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I agree. I think a World Religions course should be offered as an elective where students could learn about various belief systems throughout the globe - without endorsing any one particular belief system of course. It would be an interesting class tbh.
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Originally posted by Guernica
School teaches you technical skills to get through life. That's it. It is not there to teach you how to treat others or how open minded you should be. That's up to you, your parents, and whoever else is in your personal life. School isn't there to teach you not to be a dick.
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Being open minded and being able to treat other with respect are technical skills that is needed to get through life.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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This World Religion class that you're talking about is so utopian, I'm pretty sure that it would always balance in favour of one religion...
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Originally posted by aloirt
Being open minded and being able to treat other with respect are technical skills that is needed to get through life.
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Unfortunately some religions try to avoid that open minded subject... ( that's me saying in a smooth way that religions can be so intolerant)
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Ugh. I'm so over this useless Government
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Originally posted by aloirt
Bringing in religion into school the way that Spain wants to = WRONG
Allowing Religious Studies as not a required class, but available for students who are interested = CORRECT
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This.
I wouldn't even care if the subject was History of Religions, but what they're doing is just wrong
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Originally posted by aloirt
Being open minded and being able to treat other with respect are technical skills that is needed to get through life.
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Then why are there close minded people in the world? You don't need to be open minded to get through life. It would be nice and it's preferred that you are, but you don't necessarily need to be. Of course I want to live in a world where we do not judge others on their religious beliefs, but whether people want to do that or not is up to them, not the schools to teach them.
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By the way,
The entire structure of the OP's question leads to this argument.
1.) Whatever Spain is doing (forcing integration in a spiritual sense and a bias towards Catholicism) is incorrect.
2.) There's no mention of whether it would be a required class or just an elective.
3.) There is not a "yes" or "no" answer to this question the way that it is phrased.
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There's a comparative religions class at my school and information about religions is already taught in world history, so I don't really think one would be needed.
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Originally posted by BobBertran1992
This World Religion class that you're talking about is so utopian, I'm pretty sure that it would always balance in favour of one religion...
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Obviously, life isn't perfect. But of course the biggest religions will be learned about for a longer duration compared to the smaller ones.
That's exactly how it's like for World History. You learn about Americas and Europe and Africa/Latin America are just side topics.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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I feel like this thread has a gotten a little off topic
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In my opinion it would be a nice option to be able to learn about other Religions... But im not familiar with how the Public School system since I went to Catholic School all my life....
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Originally posted by BLaCKPoWeR
This is entirely subjective. You don't need religion, and that's fine, but many people in fact do. Everyone has different needs.
I agree. I think a World Religions course should be offered as an elective where students could learn about various belief systems throughout the globe - without endorsing any one particular belief system of course. It would be an interesting class tbh.
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But the point of school should be to train a competent, competitive workforce. Is teaching religion a means to that end, no. There's a debate going on the US about soft electives that don't prepare students for either vocational training or university. I personally don't see the point in diverting public funds to these soft electives if they don't have anything to do with the physical health/welfare of students or improving their ability to compete in the global economy.
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Originally posted by Guernica
Then why are there close minded people in the world? You don't need to be open minded to get through life. It would be nice and it's preferred that you are, but you don't necessarily need to be. Of course I want to live in a world where we do not judge others on their religious beliefs, but whether people want to do that or not is up to them, not the schools to teach them.
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But having classes that prevent CLOSED MINDED people from existing is better than not trying. There will always be closed minded and ignorant people out there, but to make society the best they can make it, allowing people to see different perspectives is a necessary component of that. You can get through life being an idiot and I'm not denying it, but isn't the most educated and most accepting society better than an ignorant one?
Schools are not just purely for preparation of jobs in High School, it is about trying to make the best citizens as possible in ALL ASPECTS. That is why we have a plethora of classes for students to take if they want to.
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Originally posted by aloirt
By the way,
The entire structure of the OP's question leads to this argument.
1.) Whatever Spain is doing (forcing integration in a spiritual sense and a bias towards Catholicism) is incorrect.
2.) There's no mention of whether it would be a required class or just an elective.
3.) There is not a "yes" or "no" answer to this question the way that it is phrased.
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Page two of this same thread dearie
Whole article here
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europ...e-wash-it-away
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Originally posted by uhoh-ohno
But the point of school should be to train a competent, competitive workforce. Is teaching religion a means to that end, no. There's a debate going on the US about soft electives that don't prepare students for either vocational training or university. I personally don't see the point in diverting public funds to these soft electives if they don't have anything to do with the physical health/welfare of students or improving their ability to compete in the global economy.
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What is the point of an African-American/Latin-American/Foreign cultures studies elective? They don't have anything to with physical health/welfare and won't necessarily improve one's ability to compete in the world economy, but they should still exist.
Simply for the purpose of learning. You should be able to learn anything in schools, especially on this side of the world.
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Originally posted by uhoh-ohno
But the point of school should be to train a competent, competitive workforce. Is teaching religion a means to that end, no. There's a debate going on the US about soft electives that don't prepare students for either vocational training or university. I personally don't see the point in diverting public funds to these soft electives if they don't have anything to do with the physical health/welfare of students or improving their ability to compete in the global economy.
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What's the point of having intelligent individuals who can't work together? In my Engineering classes, there are social retards who cannot work for crap in a group and sometimes want to do projects on their own. This is not a good thing. You have to be able to successfully see things from different perspectives in order to work together. These soft electives might seem useless, but they're definitely important for social development.
Art, usually seen as a soft elective, can be the starting point for future artists, they could possibly ignite a sense in creativity in students. Music, also a soft elective, can teach students an instrument that they might love forever and might want to pursue a music career. There are more to the world than pure Math and Science, and you're talking to an engineering major here.
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Originally posted by aloirt
But having classes that prevent CLOSED MINDED people from existing is better than not trying. There will always be closed minded and ignorant people out there, but to make society the best they can make it, allowing people to see different perspectives is a necessary component of that. You can get through life being an idiot and I'm not denying it, but isn't the most educated and most accepting society better than an ignorant one?
Schools are not just purely for preparation of jobs in High School, it is about trying to make the best citizens as possible in ALL ASPECTS. That is why we have a plethora of classes for students to take if they want to.
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I think this just comes down to how we view school and what we think it should teach students. My view of school isn't about shaping the students personalities or views, it's solely about teaching them the facts and skills to help them in their adult life. I think it's up to the parents/families of students to teach them about accepting others and not being judgmental.
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Originally posted by BobBertran1992
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Your question is should religion be in public schools. If it's required and more about spirituality, than no. If it's an elective and more of a culture standpoint, then yes. However, it's not just a yes or no question because people don't know the constraints related to it.
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Originally posted by Guernica
I think this just comes down to how we view school and what we think it should teach students. My view of school isn't about shaping the students personalities or views, it's solely about teaching them the facts and skills to help them in their adult life. I think it's up to the parents/families of students to teach them about accepting others and not being judgmental.
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But again, accepting others and not being judgmental are also skills. Though I think parents/families should be responsible for basic life skills, as we can see in America, there are tons of stupid people out there and spread their ignorance onto their children. Sometimes, it just becomes necessary for schools to allow students a way to learn these basic skills. I wish it wasn't the case, but that's how our society is at this point.
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In public schools? No. But atheism shouldn't be preached, either(which in some public schools, it is).
There's a reason why schools are dedicated to a certain religion. No one should be forced to believe or even go anything of any religion that they don't care about/believe in.
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