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Poll: More iconic: Madonna or Judy Garland?
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Madonna
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Judy Garland
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Originally posted by wanderlust
Also: how in the world is a fictional character who plays around with magic and animals a GAY ICON?
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Please go and educate yourself.
Judy was the first gay icon there ever was. The pride flag was designed after her for goodness sakes.
She was a very camp, fantasy-like figure and she did a lot for the gay community at a time when homophobia was more apparent than ever.
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Originally posted by Nicole
Iconic? Judy. The image of Judy with her pigtails and ruby slippers is not only more iconic than anything Madonna has done, but it has endured for 70s years and will endure longer than anything Madonna has done.
BTW, Judy is iconic for more than just The Wizard of Oz. A Star Is Born is another film of hers that has endured for decades.
And then there's the whole mythos around her being a drug addict (and God knows what else) in contrast to her squeaky clean image.
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You're only proving that Judy was only iconic for the look she portrayed for a certain role. Also drug addiction defining the iconicism of someone's life?
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Originally posted by X-Static
You're only proving that Judy was only iconic for the look she portrayed for a certain role. Also drug addiction defining the iconicism of someone's life?
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Pay her no mind. She's nothing but a flip-flop Madonna hater . She'll say anything in spite of Madonna and turn around and praise her later.
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First of all I know this thread is a joke and a more than desperate attempt from people who want to appear intelligent by naming a classic hollywood name (as someone else also mentioned before me) but even so, I'm still gonna give my two cents to americans or british people here:
you should really understand that a lot of kids in this world don't speak english and therefore don't know about american figures or british royals. just like I've seen some people here say they don't know who audrey hepburn is barely a few days ago.
However Madonna is by far the most famous female artist on this planet all around by people of all ages. Not just kids or teens, but simply everyone pretty much all over the world. And she is doing it all by herself, starting from rock bottom.
Judy garland got a role in a kid's movie.
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Originally posted by Praise Mariallah
Am DONE.
Have some of you girls never stepped foot in a history class?
Embarrassing.
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I cringed when I read that.
But, I will say that Disney did create a hell of a fictional character based off the real Pocahontas. I mean, look at the differences.
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Originally posted by X-Static
You're only proving that Judy was only iconic for the look she portrayed for a certain role. Also drug addiction defining the iconicism of someone's life?
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Well "Somewhere Over The Rainbow" and "Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas" are probably more iconic to this day than any Madonna song despite being 70-75 years old.
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Originally posted by wanderlust
First of all I know this thread is a joke and a more than desperate attempt from people who want to appear intelligent by naming a classic hollywood name (as someone else also mentioned before me) but even so, I'm still gonna give my two cents to americans or british people here:
you should really understand that a lot of kids in this world don't speak english and therefore don't know about american figures or british royals. just like I've seen some people here say they don't know who audrey hepburn is barely a few days ago.
However Madonna is by far the most famous female artist on this planet all around by people of all ages. Not just kids or teens, but simply everyone pretty much all over the world. And she is doing it all by herself, starting from rock bottom.
Judy garland got a role in a kid's movie.
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I'm not surprised at the bolded tbh
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Originally posted by wanderlust
Judy garland got a role in a kid's movie.
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You don't have to diminish Judy's legacy to defend Madonna's
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Originally posted by Nicole
Well "Somewhere Over The Rainbow" and "Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas" are probably more iconic to this day than any Madonna song despite being 70-75 years old.
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And yet again proving the point that Judy as a person is not iconic. Certain things she's done are(which is solely her role in the WOZ - no one really remembers anything else besides her ambition for the gay community, which isn't as significant, either)
Madonna is iconic not only based off of what she's done, but she's iconic as a person, as well. Judy, however, is not.
You can type an essay's worth of explanations, but if you're genuinely going to counter an argument, common sense will tell you the point above is correct.
Ask yourself this: If you were to go up to about 5 people and ask who Judy Garland is(with no hints, of course. Just mentioning her name), how many of the 5 do you think would say "I know her"/"I know of her"/anything along those lines compared to if it was asked about Madonna?
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Originally posted by wanderlust
However Madonna is by far the most famous female artist on this planet all around by people of all ages. Not just kids or teens, but simply everyone pretty much all over the world. And she is doing it all by herself, starting from rock bottom.
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Madonna is truly iconic but she is not the most famous female on this planet. She's a popstar. I know that iconic and famous can sometimes be interchangeable terms, but just, no.
And DEATH at you saying Pocahontas is fictional.
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Judy is a scum sucking road wh*re who ruined people's lives.
Madonna is iconic. Sometimes.
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Originally posted by Genocide
And yet again proving the point that Judy as a person is not iconic. Certain things she's done are(which is solely her role in the WOZ - no one really remembers anything else besides her ambition for the gay community, which isn't as significant, either)
Madonna is iconic not only based off of what she's done, but she's iconic as a person, as well. Judy, however, is not.
You can type an essay's worth of explanations, but if you're genuinely going to counter an argument, common sense will tell you the point above is correct.
Ask yourself this: If you were to go up to about 5 people and ask who Judy Garland is(with no hints, of course. Just mentioning her name), how many of the 5 do you think would say "I know her"/"I know of her"/anything along those lines compared to if it was asked about Madonna?
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I swear if I would have to ask any school, from elementary and kindergarten to high school and probably most people in general, not one single person would know who the hell judy garland is Those americans and british posters need to stop being so chauvinistic.
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Originally posted by wanderlust
First of all I know this thread is a joke and a more than desperate attempt from people who want to appear intelligent by naming a classic hollywood name (as someone else also mentioned before me) but even so, I'm still gonna give my two cents to americans or british people here:
you should really understand that a lot of kids in this world don't speak english and therefore don't know about american figures or british royals. just like I've seen some people here say they don't know who audrey hepburn is barely a few days ago.
However Madonna is by far the most famous female artist on this planet all around by people of all ages. Not just kids or teens, but simply everyone pretty much all over the world. And she is doing it all by herself, starting from rock bottom.
Judy garland got a role in a kid's movie.
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First of all this thread isn't a joke.
Secondly I don't name these Hollywood stars to "appear intelligent", and I don't think you're one to talk about intelligence considering you thought Pocohantas was fictional.
Thirdly, I agree with you that Madonna is the most famous female music artist, and she is definitely an icon of pop culture, however to say Judy Garland simply "got a role in a kid's movie" is very naive and quite frankly an insult to humanity.
No-one else could have made Dorothy as iconic as she is now. Judy's perfect mix of childlike innocence and camp performance cemented Wizard of Oz as an everlasting classic.
Also, Judy paved the way for Madonna. Judy was truly the very first 'pop girl'. Her incredible performance technique was innovative and larger than life, and her powerful persona inspired musicians for decades to come.
Finally, she was the very first public figure to openly support the LGBT community. Did you know that in the 50s and 60s, gay people would refer to themselves as 'friends of Dorothy' to identify who else was gay, to avoid homophobic attacks. Did you know that Judy inspired the LGBT flag? Did you know that Judy's death led to the Stonewall Riots?
So please educate yourself before making such ludicrous statements.
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[QUOTE=Rivington Reject;14708713]Madonna is truly iconic but she is not the most famous female on this planet. She's a popstar. I know that iconic and famous can sometimes be interchangeable terms, but just, no.
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Which other female artist is more famous than her. No one. Every single female artist gets compared to her, she is the standard, the blueprint, of the female popstar.
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Originally posted by wanderlust
you should really understand that a lot of kids in this world don't speak english and therefore don't know about american figures or british royals.
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That doesn't mean anything. In light of the recent bombing in Boston some news articles on Twitter were linking to one of the suspects social webpages (the Russian version of Facebook), I made an account and was surprised at how many people had images of Marilyn Monroe and such on their profiles and whatever. It literally shocked me.
Looking at their community groups right now, Marilyn has some 100,000 members/likes, Madonna has sum 40k.
Granted that's just one example and one country, but you get my drift. Just because people don't speak English doesn't mean they won't recognize film figures or politicians. I mean I bet on that same site none of Marilyn's movies have as many views as Madonna does audio files, but that's still irrelevant in terms of image/iconicism. Just like how Madonna is more successful than Marilyn, Judy, Audrey, but it isn't about sales/gross as much as it is about image.
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Originally posted by wanderlust
I swear if I would have to ask any school, from elementary and kindergarten to high school and probably most people in general, not one single person would know who the hell judy garland is Those americans and british posters need to stop being so chauvinistic.
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I know right? People acting as if Judy is that much more memorable than Madonna people barely remember her role in the WOZ itself. Madonna is a rock; she is iconic not based off of what she's done solely, but as a person.
She's winning the poll, though, so all is well .
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Originally posted by Genocide
And yet again proving the point that Judy as a person is not iconic. Certain things she's done are(which is solely her role in the WOZ - no one really remembers anything else besides her ambition for the gay community, which isn't as significant, either)
Madonna is iconic not only based off of what she's done, but she's iconic as a person, as well. Judy, however, is not.
You can type an essay's worth of explanations, but if you're genuinely going to counter an argument, common sense will tell you the point above is correct.
Ask yourself this: If you were to go up to about 5 people and ask who Judy Garland is(with no hints, of course. Just mentioning her name), how many of the 5 do you think would say "I know her"/"I know of her"/anything along those lines compared to if it was asked about Madonna?
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What is that even supposed to mean?
So Madonna is iconic 'as a person' and Judy is iconic... as a cat? I mean...
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Originally posted by Praise Mariallah
That doesn't mean anything. In light of the recent bombing in Boston some news articles on Twitter were linking to one of the suspects social webpages (the Russian version of Facebook), I made an account and was surprised at how many people had images of Marilyn Monroe and such on their profiles and whatever. It literally shocked me.
Looking at their community groups right now, Marilyn has some 100,000 members/likes, Madonna has sum 40k.
Granted that's just one example and one country, but you get my drift. Just because people don't speak English doesn't mean they won't recognize film figures or politicians. I mean I bet on that same site none of Marilyn's movies have as many views as Madonna does audio files, but that's still irrelevant in terms of image/iconicism. Just like how Madonna is more successful than Marilyn, Judy, Audrey, but it isn't about sales/gross as much as it is about image.
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Clock it
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