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Poll: Best Comeback Single
View Poll Results: Hottest Comeback Single
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Justin Timberlake - SexyBack
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11 |
10.38% |
Christina Aguilera - Ain't No Other Man
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29 |
27.36% |
Nelly Furtado - Promisicuos
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46 |
43.40% |
Jessica Simpson - Public Affair
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5 |
4.72% |
Beyonce - Deja Vu
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14.15% |
Member Since: 12/23/2004
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I guess one can say that Xtina is the best because she's making a new trend.
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Originally posted by limeyelloh
Furtado is second to Aguilera because of a stylistic switch-up? Do I need to point out the irony in that statement?
Furtado's Loose is a leap in a different direction coming off of Folklore, but comparatively not far from the mainstream appeal of Whoa, Nelly!---in fact, the urban influence of Timbaland is really the only glaring disparity between the two.
At any rate, "Promiscuous" gets my vote.
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POINT IT OUT. I said that she only comes 2nd because of that. Christina Aguilera comes 1st in my book because she went with something new to achieve a different style, while Nelly Furtado went in the opposite direction.
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Originally posted by Exodus
POINT IT OUT. I said that she only comes 2nd because of that. Christina Aguilera comes 1st in my book because she went with something new to achieve a different style, while Nelly Furtado went in the opposite direction.
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You both clarified and contradicted what you said previously; quite the feat.
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Originally posted by Exodus
Nelly Furtado would be second, not first, as she completely changed her style to a bit...mainstream, so it wasn't necessarily a comeback for me, as she is selling completely different music.
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You only cited Furtado as reemerging with a revamped musical pallet. The irony is in that if anyone has changed (or is "selling different music," as you say) it's Aguilera, while Furtado has only peppered a style she already visited on Whoa, Nelly! with some urban influence. I have a feeling it's not what you meant to get across, but that's how it's written. I'd structure my sentences better.
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Of the choices, Ain't No Other Man, followed closely by Promiscuous. The rest suck.
And Lt. Smash proves, yet again, why he deserves the "Most annoying poster of the year" title.
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Originally posted by limeyelloh
You both clarified and contradicted what you said previously; quite the feat.
You only cited Furtado as reemerging with a revamped musical pallet. The irony is in that if anyone has changed (or is "selling different music," as you say) it's Aguilera, while Furtado has only peppered a style she already visited on Whoa, Nelly! with some urban influence. I have a feeling it's not what you meant to get across, but that's how it's written. I'd structure my sentences better.
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Oh get over it, it's his opinion. And he meant that Nelly comes second because she commercialized her music, and Aguilera gets his vote because she stepped outside of the "commercial music" box and tried something different and succeeded at it.
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Originally posted by Taste Like Fire
Oh get over it, it's his opinion. And he meant that Nelly comes second because she commercialized her music, and Aguilera gets his vote because she stepped outside of the "commercial music" box and tried something different and succeeded at it.
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I was elaborating on my opinion. I already mentioned that I assumed he meant something different, but that's not what was written.
If you'd read what I wrote, you might've gleaned what I was trying to explain---that the degree of commercialization between Whoa, Nelly! and Loose is trivial at best. This is more a return to form for Furtado than anything else. Timbaland layered the music she'd previously delved in with some drum machines and synthesizers, but nothing was really sacrificed in the way of quality (per the term's definition).
Is Loose as big a commercial gamble as Back To Basics will be? Probably not, but that can argued in a more appropriate thread. I was simply pointing out a discrepancy I noticed. Debating something is supposed to be engaging and intelligent, but clearly I've bruised some e-egos and the conversation is on a fast track to cattiness.
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Originally posted by limeyelloh
I was elaborating on my opinion. I already mentioned that I assumed he meant something different, but that's not what was written.
If you'd read what I wrote, you might've gleaned what I was trying to explain---that the degree of commercialization between Whoa, Nelly! and Loose is trivial at best. This is more a return to form for Furtado than anything else. Timbaland layered the music she'd previously delved in with some drum machines and synthesizers, but nothing was really sacrificed in the way of quality (per the term's definition).
Is Loose as big a commercial gamble as Back To Basics will be? Probably not, but that can argued in a more appropriate thread. I was simply pointing out a discrepancy I noticed. Debating something is supposed to be engaging and intelligent, but clearly I've bruised some e-egos and the conversation is on a fast track to cattiness.
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Well, Loose is obviously much more commercial than Folklore, which whould be what she's coming back from, hence the term "comeback". And her sound is a bit more commercial than Whoa, Nelly!, not to mention urban, which seems like it's the new "commercial" since anything urban goes top 10. And if her style has not really changed much, then I don't see why XTina doesn't deserve his vote over Nelly since she really changed it up and succeeded. Is that better for your desire for engaging/intelligent discussion? (even though that seems a little hypocritical coming from you since you seemed catty yourself in your replies to Jason)
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Ain't No Other Man is the best. Followed by Promiscuous.
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Originally posted by Taste Like Fire
Well, Loose is obviously much more commercial than Folklore, which whould be what she's coming back from, hence the term "comeback". And her sound is a bit more commercial than Whoa, Nelly!, not to mention urban, which seems like it's the new "commercial" since anything urban goes top 10. And if her style has not really changed much, then I don't see why XTina doesn't deserve his vote over Nelly since she really changed it up and succeeded. Is that better for your desire for engaging/intelligent discussion? (even though that seems a little hypocritical coming from you since you seemed catty yourself in your replies to Jason)
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Most of what you touched on I've already addressed.
I acknowledged that coming off of Folklore, Loose probably looks like an unabashed vie for commercial success. One could easily argue that this time around, however, Furtado is simply incorporating the urban stylings of Timbaland in the same way that Folklore drew from Portuguese influences. Essentially, each album has built on what Whoa, Nelly! laid the groundwork for, rather than progressing from its immediate predecessor.
Is this urban foray dubiously convenient given its current saturation in the music market? Well, sure, but that's called capitalization and not commercialization. Her nasal twang may've been purposely toned down on some songs, but (apart from the aforementioned differences in production) who's to say that Loose isn't artistically on par with her previous efforts?
My gripe was not with Exodus's choice between the two artists, but with his wording. It seemed to me that he was counting Furtado out only because she switched things up, turning the other cheek to the fact that Aguilera's "Ain't No Other Man" bares little or no resemblance to any of her previous material. Even if that's not what he meant to convey in his post, it's what I took away from the wording. Whether or not Xtina's choice to draw from 1930's and 40's jazz is more commendable (and successful) an endeavor than Furtado's flirtation with R&B is up for each individual to decide. I wasn't challenging his opinion so much as providing some insight into a stance that seemed (to me) a bit narrow-minded.
My comments may've been a bit more biting than necessary, but not what I'd call catty.
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Originally posted by limeyelloh
who's to say that Loose isn't artistically on par with her previous efforts?
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Did anyone even say that at all?
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My gripe was not with Exodus's choice between the two artists, but with his wording. It seemed to me that he was counting Furtado out only because she switched things up, turning the other cheek to the fact that Aguilera's "Ain't No Other Man" bares little or no resemblance to any of her previous material. Even if that's not what he meant to convey in his post, it's what I took away from the wording.
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Sooooo you went after him because of some gramatical errors in which he made it sound like Aguilera's recent efforts are better than Furtado's? (which he did say, and some might argue is true). And it didn't seem to me like he was "turning the other cheek" to Furtado just because she changed up her style, it sounded to me like he chose Aguilera because he liked the single more and thought Furtado's new attempt was more aimed at commercial (or "capital") success than quality music. Maybe it's just you?
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My comments may've been a bit more biting than necessary, but not what I'd call catty.
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No, they were pretty catty, more-so in the sense that you came off like you were attacking him because you were mad that he chose Aguilera over Furtado because you thought he didn't like Furtado's newer sound so much, which is his opinion, mind you.
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My vote goes to Xtina, second close is Nelly, then Jessica.
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Originally posted by Taste Like Fire
Did anyone even say that at all?
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Yes, actually, it was implied. Exodus said Aguilera's direction is "new" and different, while Furtado "went in the opposite direction"---I guess that would be old and tired. Additionally, it was you, Taste Like Fire, who brought up commercialization, suggesting she sacrificed the of quality of her work in exchange for sales (per the definition of the term).
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Originally posted by Taste Like Fire
Sooooo you went after him because of some gramatical errors in which he made it sound like Aguilera's recent efforts are better than Furtado's? (which he did say, and some might argue is true). And it didn't seem to me like he was "turning the other cheek" to Furtado just because she changed up her style, it sounded to me like he chose Aguilera because he liked the single more and thought Furtado's new attempt was more aimed at commercial (or "capital") success than quality music. Maybe it's just you?
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He initially said, "...so it wasn't necessarily a comeback for me, as she is selling completely different music." I argued that the same could be said of Aguilera---"Ain't No Other Man" is also "completely different" from anything she's ever released. The previous sentence he wrote ("...she completely changed her style to a bit...mainstream") is a perfectly valid point that I'd have respectfully debated. It was with what followed that I took issue. The distinction in musical styles between both artists' past and previous works isn't even relevant to the point I assume he was trying to make (regarding Furtado's perceived vie for commercial success); including it only made understanding him that much harder.
Grammatical errors and sentence structure may seem like something petty to cite, but in this case it made his post convoluted. Both he and you went on to clarify his point (communicating a stance I assumed he held, but didn't clearly express) and I offered up several rebuttals. I'm not going to retread everything from my past couple of posts defending Furtado. You've disregarded the bulk of what I've said, anyway, and this discussion is now more about you defending your friend than the music.
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Originally posted by Taste Like Fire
No, they were pretty catty, more-so in the sense that you came off like you were attacking him because you were mad that he chose Aguilera over Furtado because you thought he didn't like Furtado's newer sound so much, which is his opinion, mind you.
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Not so much. The sarcasm in my initial post was playful and any subsequent animosity was due to the oh-so-annoying use of capitalization to suggest yelling. I could care less that he prefers "Ain't No Other Man" to "Promiscuous," I was merely picking his brain in an effort to gain some understanding.
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Originally posted by limeyelloh
Yes, actually, it was implied. Exodus said Aguilera's direction is "new" and different, while Furtado "went in the opposite direction"---I guess that would be old and tired. Additionally, it was you, Taste Like Fire, who brought up commercialization, suggesting she sacrificed the of quality of her work in exchange for sales (per the definition of the term).
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You keep putting words in people's mouths.
1. Did anyone ever say Furtado's new music is "old and tired". I don't think so. Jason was making the point that XTina stepped out of the box to try something new and different. And while Folklore was more new and different at the time, she took a step backwards, or "in the opposite direction" and made her music more commercial.
2. Did I say she SACRIFICED the quality of her music for sales? No, I said it seemed like with her new music, she AIMED for sales rather than qualitiness, that doesn't necessarily mean her music still can't be quailty.
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He initially said, "...so it wasn't necessarily a comeback for me, as she is selling completely different music." I argued that the same could be said of Aguilera---"Ain't No Other Man" is also "completely different" from anything she's ever released. The previous sentence he wrote ("...she completely changed her style to a bit...mainstream") is a perfectly valid point that I'd have respectfully debated. It was with what followed that I took issue. The distinction in musical styles between both artists' past and previous works isn't even relevant to the point I assume he was trying to make (regarding Furtado's perceived vie for commercial success); including it only made understanding him that much harder.
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Well first off, his definition of "comeback" is obviously different than yours (and mine). And you said yourself, Furtado's comeback album is more mainstream than Folklore(Not Whoa, Nelly!), maybe Jason thought that the fact that she made her music more mainstream decreased the quality of it, I don't see how that's not relevant?
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Grammatical errors and sentence structure may seem like something petty to cite, but in this case it made his post convoluted. Both he and you went on to clarify his point (communicating a stance I assumed he held, but didn't clearly express) and I offered up several rebuttals. I'm not going to retread everything from my past couple of posts defending Furtado. You've disregarded the bulk of what I've said, anyway, and this discussion is now more about you defending your friend than the music.
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First off, he's not my friend, I just happen to really disagree with what you say. And they're still petty to cite, since you seem to be the only one who didn't understand at this point.
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Not so much. The sarcasm in my initial post was playful and any subsequent animosity was due to the oh-so-annoying use of capitalization to suggest yelling. I could care less that he prefers "Ain't No Other Man" to "Promiscuous," I was merely picking his brain in an effort to gain some understanding.
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Your first reply wasn't extremely catty, but it seemed like anything but playful. The way people understand what you say is somewhere around 70% body language, 25% tone of voice, and 5% actual words if I remember correctly, so I don't get how one is supposed to detect "playfulness" when reading a sentence like that on a messageboard.
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Again, Christina Aguilera has not done anything new. She basically COPIED her style from Marilyn Monroe. We all know that TILT YOUR HEAD BACK was almost the same as ANOM, the video's are also extremely important. Every music Christina has made since Stripped was 20's, 30's. TILT YOUR HEAD BACK, HELLO,...I don't know why are y'all sooo surprised about the direction she is going, when she has been blond for like 2 years now and her music has been the same since 2005. Not hating, just speaking my opinion.
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Originally posted by Taste Like Fire
You keep putting words in people's mouths.
1. Did anyone ever say Furtado's new music is "old and tired". I don't think so. Jason was making the point that XTina stepped out of the box to try something new and different. And while Folklore was more new and different at the time, she took a step backwards, or "in the opposite direction" and made her music more commercial.
2. Did I say she SACRIFICED the quality of her music for sales? No, I said it seemed like with her new music, she AIMED for sales rather than qualitiness, that doesn't necessarily mean her music still can't be quailty.
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The "old and tired" remark was conjecture on my behalf, but it certainly could be interpreted that way. Trends in the market aside, I don't necessarily think that Loose is any more commercial than Folklore. I find the former just as artistically credible as the latter---that is, not a step backward. Each album draws from different influences, while the current popularity of urban music (which Loose incorporates) is inconsequential as far as I'm concerned. Aguilera's sound may be unlike anything else currently charting, but that alone doesn't sway me. I find that, in execution, the result is awkward at best.
However, by definition, to commercialize is to sacrifice quality in lieu of financial gain. If that's not what you intended to get across, perhaps another word would've been more appropriate. When you remarked, "...with her new music, she AIMED for sales rather than qualitiness," you're still saying she prioritized monetary before artistic gains---money before music. At least some lapse in quality would be unavoidable because it isn't of the greatest concern. I think it's a valid opinion, but one I don't agree with in this case.
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Originally posted by Taste Like Fire
Well first off, his definition of "comeback" is obviously different than yours (and mine). And you said yourself, Furtado's comeback album is more mainstream than Folklore(Not Whoa, Nelly!), maybe Jason thought that the fact that she made her music more mainstream decreased the quality of it, I don't see how that's not relevant?
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I acknowledged that I could understand someone assuming Loose was a vie for mainstream success coming off of Folklore, but that doesn't mean I agree. I contest that its radio-ready appeal is coincidental, bearing in mind the current tastes of the public. As I've said, I don't necessarily view Loose as a struggle to (re)emerge into the mainstream and, therefore, don't agree that comparatively there's any loss of quality.
Exdous had said, "...it wasn't necessarily a comeback for me, as she is selling completely different music." On its own, that remark is irrelevant because the same can be said of Aguilera. That's not to say the citation of Furtado's past works can't be tied into the argument that Loose is a bid for mainstream viability, but within the context of that post it's wholly unnecessary.
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Originally posted by Taste Like Fire
First off, he's not my friend, I just happen to really disagree with what you say. And they're still petty to cite, since you seem to be the only one who didn't understand at this point.
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Whether or not you agree, I think it would've been helpful if Exodus elaborated a bit in his initial (and perhaps subsequent) post(s). You've been making assumptions about what he had intended to get across. I presume they're likely inline with his opinion, but don't you agree that a little clarification would've been helpful to eliminate any uncertainty?
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Originally posted by Taste Like Fire
Your first reply wasn't extremely catty, but it seemed like anything but playful. The way people understand what you say is somewhere around 70% body language, 25% tone of voice, and 5% actual words if I remember correctly, so I don't get how one is supposed to detect "playfulness" when reading a sentence like that on a messageboard.
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I'll settle for just plain sarcasm, then. While we don't have the inflection that speech lends us at our disposal, sarcasm is definitely detectable online and, once more, not something to get into a tizzy over.
I think we should agree to disagree, as I find myself rehashing what I've already said. It would seem you share an opinion with Exodus and I can respect it.
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1.Promiscuous- This song pretty much took her out of obscurity.
2.ANOM- Able to chart top 10 and farther, exceeding expectations and beating out her first single from her 2nd album.
3.Public Affair- A fun, likable track that is having a great headstart, too early to tell yet.
4.Deja Vu- She can do better.
5.SexyBack- God, so horrible... will fail.
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Obviously Promiscuous....
2nd is ANOM...
3rd is SexyBack
4rd is Deja Vu..
well Public Affair sounds like a Christmas song...
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Originally posted by Taste Like Fire
Oh get over it, it's his opinion. And he meant that Nelly comes second because she commercialized her music, and Aguilera gets his vote because she stepped outside of the "commercial music" box and tried something different and succeeded at it.
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O.o EJ hit it right on the spot. Thank you. Sorry I guess if I didn't structure it quite to your liking.
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