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Discussion: For non religious people?
Member Since: 9/7/2011
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Originally posted by CloseMyEyes
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But you have to find happiness in life I suppose and within yourself. I don't regret leaving my faith.
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I don't listen to gospel music and I'm not anti-science. Guess that makes your revision false.
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Member Since: 4/20/2012
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Originally posted by DAP
A person cannot reach redemption without being condemned. That's the whole purpose behind god giving his adherents the ability to execute judgement. That is the only way they will reflect on their transgressions.
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which was executed in the time of the Old Testament, which as mentioned before was made mostly null after Jesus sacrificed himself on the cross.
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Originally posted by DAP
That wasn't rhetorical nor was it snarky. I'm being very serious. PLENTY of scriptures (1 Corinthians 2:15, Ezra 7:25, and John 7:24 at the top of my head) give Christians the rut to judge other.
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Ezra is a book from the Old Testament so...
the verses you chose a) do not support what you're saying, you're just looking for an excuse to say that Christians judge by right and b)cannot be interpreted solely by itself, therefore it still doesn't support what you're saying.
"Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly."
unless what you're saying is that it means to judge everyone because they're not like you, then you're still wrong. hello it's not hard to grasp, don't judge people by their appearances and what you think you know about them. it doesn't insinuate a right to judge, it's saying make better judgements, which is a good thing to learn actually.
"The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments,"
again what point were you making by adding this? it also doesn't support the point you're making. you are pulling verses out just because they use the small theme of making judgements, without actually reading and understanding what it's saying. it says just because you're a Christian doesn't give you the right to judge people for human nature, things that anyone would do.
as Christians we are taught that we are sinners, just like everyone else. we don't have the right to judge others for their sins when God sees a lie the same as murder. Jesus supported that when he spared a woman being stoned for adultery and told the people doing it they had no right to judge her for it.
you've just picked a part Bible verses to support your own views and arguments, which is the exact same thing the Christians you are generalizing about do. so what makes you better than them? the better question is why are you even reading the Bible if you're not an Christian?
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Member Since: 9/3/2006
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Originally posted by iStanGaga
Mess back at you. They have been linked in many cases.
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Then again, you're generalising and forgetting about the history of your own religion. Should I mention the Crusades now? Or how the Catholic Church backed dictatorial regimes around the world in the past century, including Italy, Spain, Portugal?
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Member Since: 8/8/2008
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Originally posted by iStanGaga
I don't listen to gospel music and I'm not anti-science. Guess that makes your revision false.
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They have been linked in many cases.
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Member Since: 1/19/2012
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Do whatever you want OP. But if you do become an athiest, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do NOT become one of the many self righteous Internet athiests who do nothing but hate on Christians and troll them. Reddit is one of the main causes in fuelling the hatred
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Member Since: 4/20/2012
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Originally posted by Rafael.
Then again, you're generalising and forgetting about the history of your own religion. Should I mention the Crusades now? Or how the Catholic Church backed dictatorial regimes around the world in the past century, including Italy, Spain, Portugal?
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do we need to have this conversation again? you're generalizing a whole religion of people for something a majority have done, but not everyone. so just because the few have done horrible things, everyone is horrible and hates gays and wants non-Christians to burn?
because that
is what
you are saying
that is what you are all saying
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Originally posted by J03Y
you've just picked a part Bible verses to support your own views and arguments, which is the exact same thing the Christians you are generalizing about do. so what makes you better than them? the better question is why are you even reading the Bible if you're not an Christian?
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Most non religious people know the bible. I went to bible study etc. s a child so not all of us. You can learn about the culture at the time if you read it like any other fable or book from that period so its not completely useless or bad.
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Originally posted by highwayuni
Do whatever you want OP. But if you do become an athiest, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do NOT become one of the many self righteous Internet athiests who do nothing but hate on Christians and troll them. Reddit is one of the main causes in fuelling the hatred
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I agree. You should troll them in real life! lol j/k
ur right.
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Member Since: 9/3/2006
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Originally posted by J03Y
do we need to have this conversation again? you're generalizing a whole religion of people for something a majority have done, but not everyone. so just because the few have done horrible things, everyone is horrible and hates gays and wants non-Christians to burn?
because that
is what
you are saying
that is what you are all saying
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Where the hell did I say that? I'm criticizing Christianity as an institution.
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Originally posted by J03Y
which was executed in the time of the Old Testament, which as mentioned before was made mostly null after Jesus sacrificed himself on the cross.
Ezra is a book from the Old Testament so...
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Jesus' death did not abolish the importance of the Old Testament. It merely signified a new era. If the Old Testament was void of any validity, then there wouldn't be a large contingent of Christians who oppose homosexuality (since Leviticus is the Old Testament).
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the verses you chose a) do not support what you're saying, you're just looking for an excuse to say that Christians judge by right and b)cannot be interpreted solely by itself, therefore it still doesn't support what you're saying.
"Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly."
unless what you're saying is that it means to judge everyone because they're not like you, then you're still wrong. hello it's not hard to grasp, don't judge people by their appearances and what you think you know about them. it doesn't insinuate a right to judge, it's saying make better judgements, which is a good thing to learn actually.
"The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments,"
again what point were you making by adding this? it also doesn't support the point you're making. you are pulling verses out just because they use the small theme of making judgements, without actually reading and understanding what it's saying. it says just because you're a Christian doesn't give you the right to judge people for human nature, things that anyone would do.
as Christians we are taught that we are sinners, just like everyone else. we don't have the right to judge others for their sins when God sees a lie the same as murder. Jesus supported that when he spared a woman being stoned for adultery and told the people doing it they had no right to judge her for it.
you've just picked a part Bible verses to support your own views and arguments, which is the exact same thing the Christians you are generalizing about do. so what makes you better than them? the better question is why are you even reading the Bible if you're not an Christian?
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Um, because I've studied the Bible when I was a Christian.
And when did I make generalizations about Christians?
Never. My comments only give insight on my interpretation of God and the Bible. Nothing more.
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Member Since: 9/7/2011
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Originally posted by Rafael.
Then again, you're generalising and forgetting about the history of your own religion. Should I mention the Crusades now? Or how the Catholic Church backed dictatorial regimes around the world in the past century, including Italy, Spain, Portugal?
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The Crusades happened because the Muslims were invading Catholic territories and taking the churches. Do I need to show you the Catholic churches with Muslim writings that are in what used to be Constantinople and now Turkey?
Edit: Here is one
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The Aya Sophya in Istanbul, built in 305 C.E., originally served as an Orthodox and Catholic church, was a mosque from 1453 until 1931, and since 1935 has been a museum.
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http://insideislam.wisc.edu/2012/04/...ies-in-turkey/
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Member Since: 4/20/2012
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Originally posted by CloseMyEyes
Most non religious people know the bible. I went to bible study etc. s a child so not all of us. You can learn about the culture at the time if you read it like any other fable or book from that period so its not completely useless or bad.
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eh i guess, idk it just seems a bit pointless to read something in a religion you don't even believe in like you don't get anything out of it. plus the Bible is kind of big like how does someone even memorize it word for word like the way extremists (in everything -___-) do? i only memorize a select few.
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Originally posted by Rafael.
Where the hell did I say that? I'm criticizing Christianity as an institution.
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you never insinuated that ever, you just started posting. if you had been doing that, you would've told me when i first pointed it out.
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Member Since: 6/19/2012
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Originally posted by iStanGaga
Millions?!?! You're crazy. There are actually several reports which can't be completely accurate, but if we go by the strictest reports the total amount is about 120,000. Some reports claim that this number has been inflated. And in the Inquisition the group in charge of the duty of putting people on trial for heresy (they were only concerned with Catholics of course) did not carry the punishment which very rarely resulted in death, but the civil state. But, I am in no way defending this dark portion of the history of the Church. But like I said, Stalin alone murdered more than 6 million. That's documented.
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Stalin was an atheist and he committed those crimes. He didn't once commit any crimes in the name of atheism, because, well, YOU CAN'T. Atheism isn't a religion.
But you can find throughout history examples of people killing others in the name of their religion, and the inquisition is a good example of crimes committed in the name of your religion, Catholicism. You are not going to sweep this under the rug.
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Member Since: 4/20/2012
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Originally posted by DAP
Jesus' death did not abolish the importance of the Old Testament. It merely signified a new era.
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i never said it abolished its importance, it merely made some of the laws unnecessary. the commandments obviously still hold importance, but most laws made in the Old Testament don't hold validity anymore due to Jesus's sacrifice. he made it possible for all sins made to be forgiven despite how severely punished they were in OT.
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Originally posted by DAP
And when did I make generalizations about Christians?
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Originally posted by DAP
If the Old Testament was void of any validity, then there wouldn't be a large contingent of Christians who oppose homosexuality (since Leviticus is the Old Testament).
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you just did...
granted it's not a blatant generalization and you could argue it's not, but you have been doing it. you've been saying this whole time that Christians in general judge those who are not, when that isn't true. and among other things everyone else has been generalizing that Christians are under one characteristic, when they aren't.
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Originally posted by DAP
Um, because I've studied the Bible when I was a Christian.
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i've accepted that already, it's just an irrational thought process it's never made sense that atheists know so much about the Bible, i guess it's always slipped my mind that a lot of them took Sunday school classes because of their parents.
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Originally posted by DAP
Never. My comments only give insight on my interpretation of God and the Bible. Nothing more.
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and i believe that. i'm just saying that some of it is a little bit stretched to condemn Christians. that's how i am interpreting it anyway. if it's not please show me where i got it wrong, i don't mind being proven wrong. it helps me learn.
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Originally posted by J03Y
i never said it abolished its importance, it merely made some of the laws unnecessary. the commandments obviously still hold importance, but most laws made in the Old Testament don't hold validity anymore due to Jesus's sacrifice. he made it possible for all sins made to be forgiven despite how severely punished they were in OT.
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and yet here you are still, trying to excuse the abhorrent **** found in the old testament.
I wouldn't even consider worshiping a god that flooded the entire earth killing everyone on it, would you?
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Originally posted by Artemisia
Stalin was an atheist and he committed those crimes. He didn't once commit any crimes in the name of atheism, because, well, YOU CAN'T. Atheism isn't a religion.
But you can find throughout history examples of people killing others in the name of their religion, and the inquisition is a good example of crimes committed in the name of your religion, Catholicism. You are not going to sweep this under the rug.
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Stalin murdered members of the Orthodox Church and closed churches with his anti-religious campaign. It is in the name of atheism. It isn't any different from the mass burning of churches in Sweden that happened in the 90s by a group of anti-religious skin heads.
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The charred ruins of the Fantoft stave church as seen on Burzum's 1992 EP
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Atheists have done more harm in history. Point blank. No contest.
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Member Since: 6/19/2012
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Originally posted by iStanGaga
Stalin murdered members of the Orthodox Church and closed churches with his anti-religious campaign. It is in the name of atheism. It isn't any different from the mass burning of churches in Sweden that happened in the 90s by a group of anti-religious skin heads.
Atheists have done more harm in history. Point blank. No contest.
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sis, you do not get it.
Anti religion =/= atheism
We can do this all day.
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Member Since: 4/20/2012
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Originally posted by Artemisia
and yet here you are still, trying to excuse the abhorrent **** found in the old testament.
I wouldn't even consider worshiping a god that flooded the entire earth killing everyone on it, would you?
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he did that because the entire globe was sinning up a storm, everyone was bad. it's the same deal with Sodom and Gomorrah, too many people were sinning, it was a problem at that point.
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@istangaga
Hitler was catholic!!!!!
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Member Since: 6/19/2012
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Originally posted by Danny789
@istangaga
Hitler was catholic!!!!!
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Thank you!
Hitler remained a member of the catholic church until his death.
In his book Mein Kampf, he said this:
" Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
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10 million people including 6 million jews died due to Hitler's punishing rule. As a direct result of his religious belief.
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Originally posted by J03Y
he did that because the entire globe was sinning up a storm, everyone was bad. it's the same deal with Sodom and Gomorrah, too many people were sinning, it was a problem at that point.
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'Everyone was bad'
you don't honestly believe that, do you? Seriously?
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