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"Kelly Clarkson's success is rare"
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She has indeed been successful after an apparantly lukewarm start and good for her, I hope it continues as she has the talent and seems to be a nice character.
I don't agree with the comparisons though, Brit, Xtina and Avril are massive stars and Brit is a huge star in terms of publicity without even producing music, everything she does is global news whether she likes it or not. They have also been out longer then Clarkson and were successful from the start (Xtina not so much from the start but still) so she would have some catching up to do to get to their status. Just because they have not been on the scene as much recently (not entirely sure about Avril) and Kelly has doesn't mean she is bigger then they are, and even if it was based on who is actively releasing a lot of music in a year or so, she still wouldn't be bigger then they are. One day perhaps, but not now.
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In terms of sales Kelly doesn't touch Brit, Xtina or Avril. She still has ways to go on that one.
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I agree about her being not as popular as Christina and Britney, but ive always viewed kelly as being more successful than avril. how much did avrils 2 cds sell?
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Norah Jones won album of the year a few years ago at the grammys. Does that automatically make her an a rated celeb 2?
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Right, because anyone who sells a million copies in the first week of release is not an "A rated" music star. Sure.
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Right, because anyone who sells a million copies in the first week of release is not an "A rated" music star. Sure.
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in norah's case, no
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Originally posted by Lose My Breath
So is that what award ceremonies and stuff see her as, cuase i'm sure in the world of celebs she'd be considered an A
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To be honest, I really don't know what the award nominators see her as. Not everyone sees the same picture. I just consider experience as a factor when rating any celebrity or artist.
And just to throw this out there while we're talking about it:
How would you guys rate the following celebs/artists? (in terms of them being an A, B, C, D Celeb/Artist Status):
Beyonce
Justin Timberlake
Green Day
Kanye West
Korn
Hilary Duff
Lindsey Lohan
Weezer
Gwen Stefani
P.O.D.
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I consider Norah as a C or a B status artist.
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Originally posted by DroppedMyGreenBean
I agree about her being not as popular as Christina and Britney, but ive always viewed kelly as being more successful than avril. how much did avrils 2 cds sell?
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24 million.
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Originally posted by ~A*D*O*R*A~
She has indeed been successful after an apparantly lukewarm start and good for her, I hope it continues as she has the talent and seems to be a nice character.
I don't agree with the comparisons though, Brit, Xtina and Avril are massive stars and Brit is a huge star in terms of publicity without even producing music, everything she does is global news whether she likes it or not. They have also been out longer then Clarkson and were successful from the start (Xtina not so much from the start but still) so she would have some catching up to do to get to their status. Just because they have not been on the scene as much recently (not entirely sure about Avril) and Kelly has doesn't mean she is bigger then they are, and even if it was based on who is actively releasing a lot of music in a year or so, she still wouldn't be bigger then they are. One day perhaps, but not now.
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What do you mean Xtina wasn't sucessful from thestart. Her first album sold like 12 million albums. Prolly more
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With that album, supplies were limited in certain places, and she had some tough times e.g. the backlash of the Mulan single. Then she had problems with parasitic people in the industry and the release of the Just to Be Free album which she prefers not to recognise.
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With that album, supplies were limited in certain places, and she had some tough times e.g. the backlash of the Mulan single. Then she had problems with parasitic people in the industry and the release of the Just to Be Free album which she prefers not to recognise.
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and that means she was unsucessful? With 4 hits and 16 million albums sold WW with her debut album?
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Where did I say she was unsuccessful?
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Where did I say she was unsuccessful?
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They have also been out longer then Clarkson and were successful from the start (Xtina not so much from the start but still)
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Exactly, where does it say or imply that I said she was unsuccessful?
You seem to be reading something that is not there. From what it says, it states that Xtina is successful and is more successful then Clarkson (like Britney and Avril). Then, it implies that unlike Britney and Avril she had more of a rocky road to that success whereas they had hit after hit and apparantly not so much hell with music execs as she did.
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Originally posted by ~A*D*O*R*A~
Exactly, where does it say or imply that I said she was unsuccessful?
You seem to be reading something that is not there. From what it says, it states that Xtina is successful and is more successful then Clarkson (like Britney and Avril). Then, it implies that unlike Britney and Avril she had more of a rocky road to that success whereas they had hit after hit and apparantly not so much hell with music execs as she did.
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I'm not reading into anything. I'm reding what you wrote. And you said that Xtina didn't have as much opening sucess as Avril and Britney, when she did.
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Precisely, I said she wasn't as successful as Britney and Avril at the start, on the road to her success e.g. to where they all are today and that came from a rocky start where she had lots of problems and was being used in ways she wasn't happy with? What is wrong with that and where does it imply I said she was unsuccessful which is what you've beeing saying to me. Not being as successful, to begin with e.g. not having the same global impact and then a smooth road to sure success, is not the same as being unsuccessful and I never said it was.
It appears you may be taking my use of the word 'start' too pedantically. My use of it meant start as in the road to stardom with establish success. I don't see initial success as establish succes and star rating, like you didn't with Norah Jones.
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Originally posted by ~A*D*O*R*A~
Precisely, I said she wasn't as successful as Britney and Avril at the start, on the road to her success e.g. to where they all are today and that came from a rocky start where she had lots of problems and was being used in ways she wasn't happy with? What is wrong with that and where does it imply I said she was unsuccessful which is what you've beeing saying to me. Not being as successful, to begin with e.g. not having the same global impact and then a smooth road to sure success, is not the same as being unsuccessful and I never said it was.
It appears you may be taking my use of the word 'start' too pedantically. My use of it meant start as in the road to stardom with establish success. I don't see initial success as establish succes and star rating, like you didn't with Norah Jones.
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okay whatever. I don't agree with you in the slightest, but whatever
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Ok.... you said I said something, which I didn't, and I showed you I didn't and explained what I said/meant - so what is there to disagree with because I think she was successful too? We both do.
The only difference would be, I think Britney and Avril had bigger initial impacts and not as much hindrance (at least not known so widely) afterwards to the way to cementing their success. Britney came out and it was a 'wow' impact, Christina came out and was seen as not much more then Britney's rival for a long time rather then a stand out artist and wasn't used very well by her record company and Avril had a similar outbreak as Britney did with a slightly different crowd.
I'm not arguing, I just don't see why there is a 'disagreement' which was based on me apparantly saying Xtina wasn't successful.
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Originally posted by ~A*D*O*R*A~
Ok.... you said I said something, which I didn't, and I showed you I didn't and explained what I said/meant - so what is there to disagree with because I think she was successful too? We both do.
The only difference would be, I think Britney and Avril had bigger initial impacts and not as much hindrance (at least not known so widely) afterwards to the way to cementing their success. Britney came out and it was a 'wow' impact, Christina came out and was seen as not much more then Britney's rival for a long time rather then a stand out artist and wasn't used very well by her record company and Avril had a similar outbreak as Britney did with a slightly different crowd.
I'm not arguing, I just don't see why there is a 'disagreement' which was based on me apparantly saying Xtina wasn't successful.
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I disagree with you becasue you are talking in circles. You clearly said that Xtina did NOT have as much sucess as Britney and Avril initially. And THAT is what I disagree with. All that other nonsense you are talking is just you trying to make yourself sound smarter than you probably are.
Adora, I disagree with you. PERIOD! There is nothing that you can say that will change my perspective on the matter. Christina had just as much an impact on music as anyone else. Her debut single peaked at #1 on the charts, something that Avrils "Complicated" didn't do. And she won Best New Artist at The Grammy's that year. But she wasn't as initially sucessful as the others? Give me a break.
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Wow, defensive, rude, and getting personal over this.
I get that you disagree with me, but you explicitly claimed that it was because I said it was because Xtina wasn't successful when I didn't and now it's because 'all of this other nonsense' I'm apparantly saying. I'm not the only one talking in circles then. I'm not trying to change your perspective and I don't why you think I am, I was just unsure why you were accusing me of saying something I didn't and acting defensive as if I was insulting her when I wasn't, I love her music, always have and have made that clear on the board time and time again and sympathise with her past.
Also, Complicated wasn't Avril's debut single so comparing it to Xtina's debut single is a moot point. When I made my first post I definitely wasn't going on sales or awards only either as there are a lot more factors that make up success. If you are, then there we definitely disagree and that's absolutely fine. But saying I said something and I didn't was what I didn't agree with.
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