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Discussion: Taylor Swift's Album Of The Year Win
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Originally posted by csybeyking
its because she has virtually no depth at all. Her content seems like it came out of a journal and her album seem like they're crafted from the Disney channel.
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Even if Taylor's album had "immature" songs, why does that matter? Do people who listen to "immature" music not matter? Should their tastes not be represented in awards ceremonies?
Taylor's audience was mainly pre-teen and teenage girls and gay boys. Knowing who her audience was, you see that Fearless was masterfully crafted, as is evidenced by its overwhelming critical and commercial success. Taylor won over her target audience better than the other nominees did theirs. That's why she won.
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Originally posted by Great Username
If you feel confident enough in your knowledge of her music to describe it as immature and shallow, then yes I think actually backing up those statements with an example or two shouldn't be too hard.
It's people like YOU who make it impossible to debate, because you give me absolutely nothing to go against. You can hide behind thin arguments like 'she isn't interesting' or 'she has no depth' but if you give no indication as to WHY you think this, then it's impossible to have an actual conversation.
I think I, contrary to what you just wrote, make it very EASY to debate. I give actual solid evidence for my reasoning. That poster says she's immature because she needs to "get over it", and I gave an explicit example from the album which is all about getting over things.
'No artistic progression' is laughable and objectively incorrect; see her development from 'Teardrops On My Guitar' to 'Dear John' and 'Safe & Sound'.
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Safe & Sound is already better than ninety percent of the material that Gaga's put out, and a good fifty percent of the stuff that's made Bey's albums.
I mean, that's obvious. Isn't it? 
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Originally posted by csybeyking
Do you expect people to know lyrics to songs they dont enjoy listening to by heart?? 
You make it hard to have a debate with that logic. When I listened to Fearless I didnt wanna hear it again and outside of this thread I couldn't possibly tell you any of the singles at all. It'd be different if people were blind hating her but most people I see just dont care about her because she isnt interesting. Its not because she doesnt strip or sing about sex and drugs, its because she has virtually no depth at all. Her content seems like it came out of a journal and her album seem like they're crafted from the Disney channel. Of course, nobody can knock her for constantly catering to her core fanbase but based of listening to Fearless and hearing the singles from Speak Now she has made virtually no artistic progression which would explain why Speak Now did nothing at the Grammy's this year.
She cant perform, she isnt a capable vocalist, she has no depth, she doesnt have an adult fanbase which makes it embarassing for an adult to like her, she's a female justin bieber with an ounce of substance and questionable integrity. |
Honey, do you need me to gift you some Taylor songs on itunes? You really are in need of some enlightenment  Yeah, some of her stuff isnt deep, but does that take away from songs like Dear John? Long Live? tied together with a smile? Change? White ****ing horse? Dont even get me started on some unreleased stuff
She actually does have a large adult fanbase. My 22 year old sister, my 20 year old sister and their friends all love Taylor, not to mention my mother, and countless teachers Ive had who praised her and countless mothers who much rather prefer Taylor as a good role model.
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She deserved to win more than everybody else.
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Member Since: 11/27/2011
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She deserved it. 
Speak Now deserve it more tho. 
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Originally posted by Ripedie254
She actually does have a large adult fanbase. My 22 year old sister, my 20 year old sister and their friends all love Taylor, not to mention my mother, and countless teachers Ive had who praised her and countless mothers who much rather prefer Taylor as a good role model.
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As well as all these journalists who are, funnily enough, adults:
http://www.thesinglesjukebox.com/?p=596
P.S. stop it guys, Speak Now is great but Fearless >>>
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Member Since: 11/9/2011
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
Safe & Sound is already better than ninety percent of the material that Gaga's put out, and a good fifty percent of the stuff that's made Bey's albums.
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Being able to jump from one genre to another without sounding awkward alone is one thing. For short:
From Country/Pop - Country/Folk - Bluegrass influenced - Blues influenced - Rock - Pop - Pop/Punk.
Only took 6 years for her to master this.
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Originally posted by Chivas
Even if Taylor's album had "immature" songs, why does that matter? Do people who listen to "immature" music not matter? Should their tastes not be represented in awards ceremonies?
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Compared to some of the pop girls people on this forum stan for, Taylor is almost too mature for her age.
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
Safe & Sound is already better than ninety percent of the material that Gaga's put out, and a good fifty percent of the stuff that's made Bey's albums.
I mean, that's obvious. Isn't it? |
It should win an Oscar to be honest. I've never been a big fan of hers, but it's easily the best thing she's ever been a part of except for maybe You Belong With Me.
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I'm curious with how you all define 'mature', or 'grown up', or how a 'deep & dark' song supposed to be.
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I find it funny that everyone is labeling Taylor's music as "immature" but the critics have gave ALL three of her albums positive reviews and have really noted that Taylor is a genius songwriter. At the end of the day people on ATRL like to brag about critic reviews and sales BUT when it comes to Taylor, an artist who has had success in BOTH of those fields, people overlook and toss her aside.
Sidenote: The Fame is such an overrated album in general, the singles are perfect but most of the album is pure filler with no substance at all. The Fame Monster >
I will never get why people have massive boners for that album.
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Originally posted by thediscomonkey
I'm curious with how you all define 'mature', or 'grown up', or how a 'deep & dark' song supposed to be.
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Boom boom pow, imma be, all the single ladies, boys boys boys apparently
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Originally posted by JakeKills
Compared to some of the pop girls people on this forum stan for, Taylor is almost too mature for her age.
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Yes, this is another issue. How on Earth can it be justified that the forum collectively ***** on Taylor for being immature, but no mention of that is found when talking about the merits of, say, 'Irreplaceable' (for what it's worth, I think this is an amazing song, but also the very definition of immature) or, you know, any Ke$ha, Britney or Katy Perry song. How are their songs mature and Taylor's aren't? Unfathomable.
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Originally posted by thediscomonkey
Some might argue that sex takes emotions too. Yes. No denying on that.
But AOTY winners have always been albums that are about human emotions or way of thinking. Singing about love especially, there's gonna be at least one or two lines that will refer to sex. But that's it. The main theme is still about love, or heartbreak. NOT ****ing like animals.
If I want to know how a wild sex would like, I'll go watch Discovery Channel instead. Lions ****ing in the wild is more entertaining IMO.
And about EDM will never win at AOTY category. That's something that NARAS should work at. Have they listened to Armin van Buuren or Dash Berlin? They do have stuffs that are not about sex only. And they are great.
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I was referring more to the "real instruments" side of the coin than anything else.
I think out of EDM though, the only ones who have really much of a chance, however slim, would be artists like La Roux, Skrillex, and maybe Robyn.
The pop girls who've dabbled in dance music, like Gaga, Katy and Rihanna, however... They won't get it.
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Originally posted by Ripedie254
Boom boom pow, imma be, all the single ladies, boys boys boys apparently |
Do you actually think Single Ladies is a bad song? Because it's the only song on IASF that's without question better than everything on Fearless. I'll give you the other ones.
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Originally posted by Muggwa
Do you actually think Single Ladies is a bad song? Because it's the only song on IASF that's without question better than everything on Fearless. I'll give you the other ones.
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No, Single ladies, boom boom pow, and boys boys boys are great fun catchy upbeat songs. I love them, But no one should call Taylor immature while saying an album with those songs shouldve won over her.
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Originally posted by ClashAndBurn
I was referring more to the "real instruments" side of the coin than anything else.
I think out of EDM though, the only ones who have really much of a chance, however slim, would be artists like La Roux, Skrillex, and maybe Robyn.
The pop girls who've dabbled in dance music, like Gaga, Katy and Rihanna, however... They won't get it.
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I put in on the last paragraph. NARAS should move on from the stone age era and learn more about modern production style.
Pop/Dance acts will never I think. For me, Pop/Dance really is trash compared to Trance.
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Member Since: 11/9/2011
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Originally posted by Ripedie254
Boom boom pow, imma be, all the single ladies, boys boys boys apparently |
Uh oh.. Well. Okay. *back blasting Metallica's "Creeping Death"* 
You all need to give the song that I mentioned here a listen too btw. Such a cute song. 
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Member Since: 2/15/2012
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Originally posted by thediscomonkey
I put in on the last paragraph. NARAS should move on from the stone age era and learn more about modern production style.
Pop/Dance acts will never I think. For me, Pop/Dance really is trash compared to Trance.
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They won't move away from that for a long time. There's such a stigma about what "real music" is. Which is why you have Bon Iver winning Best New Artist over Nicki Minaj.
Yeah. While Gaga is a talented musician, she really is in the wrong genre. I know many people who comment that she "wastes her talent" on "THAT kind of music".
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