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Discussion: Do you believe in "Capital Punishment?"
Member Since: 8/17/2010
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Originally posted by inspiration4
He is not innocent, at least from the evidence presented.
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Err...so basically what you're saying is, innocent people should be killed?
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Member Since: 3/27/2009
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While I do feel bad for the person's ,Troy "allegedly" killed, family I can't help but wonder how is this closure for them. The mother has wanted him dead for the two decades he has been on death row, but once he's gone, what is it going to solve?
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Member Since: 3/27/2009
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Originally posted by inspiration4
He is not innocent, at least from the evidence presented.
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Well in all honesty, the "lack"of evidence is why this story has gone national
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
Posts: 19,718
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Originally posted by Twai
The logical pretzel you're twisting yourself into is astounding.
A woman should have the right to choose whether she's pregnant = people should have the right to choose whether they kill a prisoner? Seriously? Like, that's SERIOUSLY what you're saying?
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Sis, if the women wanted to choose not to be pregnant, she should have not had that dick up in her coochie. That's as far as her choice to be pregnant can ETHICALLY go. Now that she's conceived a life, it's human. You need to catch up on your Dr. Seuss cuz "A person's a person, no matter how small." Killing that baby is killing another human being which in turn does = killing a prisoner (another human being).
So ya, that's seriously what I'm saying.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 11/14/2008
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Originally posted by VAN de
And all ya'll talking about them getting a life sentence:
Are they gon' carry out that sentence in your house? Are you gonna foot the cost for their daily expenditures?
Jails are crowded and tax payer money is dwindling. We need to focus our money on the things that build our nation up, not spend it the 40 year or so life span of those that tear it down.
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I am tired of hearing the excuses of "overcrowded prisons" as a reason for death penalties. Do you know how many people are serving time for the most simplistic offenses such as unpaid speeding tickets, failure to pay child support, writing faulty checks, and so on? Grant those people parole to where we can clean out our prison facilities for serious criminals (murders, rapists, and other extreme convicted felons).
How can we go to bed at night with a clear conscience that a legit reason to support capital punishment is because of "overcrowded prisons?" Where is the logic in that?
(Not attacking you or anything boo, I just am saying! I have heard people in debates use that as a reason as well)
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Member Since: 3/27/2009
Posts: 30,284
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Originally posted by VAN de
Sis, if the women wanted to choose not to be pregnant, she should have not had that dick up in her coochie. That's as far as her choice to be pregnant can ETHICALLY go. Now that she's conceived a life, it's human. You need to catch up on your Dr. Seuss cuz "A person's a person, no matter how small." Killing that baby is killing another human being which in turn does = killing a prisoner (another human being).
So ya, that's seriously what I'm saying.
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What if she was raped?
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Member Since: 5/28/2010
Posts: 29,225
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Originally posted by JonnyϟLightning
No. I'd rather have them suffer their whole life rotting in a jail cell like a pest.
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And have them being treated like dust.
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by IfICannot Love♥
But it's just illogical. You want to prevent killings, so you just kill someone who killed someone else. That's basically screaming that murder is alright.
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It's not illogical at all.
So you're telling me that Osama bin Ladin shouldn't have been shot and killed, he should have been taken prisoner, brought to the states, and put into a jail cell for the rest of his life? Fed every day for the rest of his life? Water every day for the rest of his life? Showers every day for the rest of his life? And mind you, all this takes money to provide, money coming from the taxpayers.
Yeah... NO. He deserves to be killed. What he DOESN'T deserve is to live and have his livelihood payed for by the American people. Sure we can get all righteous and say "An Eye for an Eye makes the whole World go Blind", but I don't care, sometimes an eye for an eye is necessary. In Osama's case, it definitely is.
And anyways, I don't think the death penalty should be given to those who have committed a crime once. It should be reserved for mass murderers and serial (killers, rapists, etc). Like I never understood the whole "[x number of] life sentences" thing. I mean, if someone is piling up on those life sentences, they need the death penalty TBH.
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Originally posted by (Cole)
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Let's see...
One time injection...or...20+ years of human necessities?
My money is on the one time injection (cuz I wouldn't lose much of it).
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Member Since: 3/27/2009
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Originally posted by Foxaylove
I am tired of hearing the excuses of "overcrowded prisons" as a reason for death penalties. Do you know how many people are serving time for the most simplistic offenses such as unpaid speeding tickets, failure to pay child support, writing faulty checks, and so on? Grant those people parole to where we can clean out our prison facilities for serious criminals (murders, rapists, and other extreme convicted felons).
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And this is where the justice system fails...
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Member Since: 8/17/2010
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Originally posted by VAN de
Let's see...
One time injection...or...20+ years of human necessities?
My money is on the one time injection (cuz I wouldn't lose much of it).
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Nice to know that you care more about your money than you do human life. Show's a lot about you as a person.
What happens when the person you're killing with your money is innocent? Is it worth the money then?
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 5/28/2011
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Originally posted by Doc
It's not illogical at all.
So you're telling me that Osama bin Ladin shouldn't have been shot and killed, he should have been taken prisoner, brought to the states, and put into a jail cell for the rest of his life? Fed every day for the rest of his life? Water every day for the rest of his life? Showers every day for the rest of his life? And mind you, all this takes money to provide, money coming from the taxpayers.
Yeah... NO. He deserves to be killed. What he DOESN'T deserve is to live and have his livelihood payed for by the American people. Sure we can get all righteous and say "An Eye for an Eye makes the whole World go Blind", but I don't care, sometimes an eye for an eye is necessary. In Osama's case, it definitely is.
And anyways, I don't think the death penalty should be given to those who have committed a crime once. It should be reserved for mass murderers and serial (killers, rapists, etc). Like I never understood the whole "[x number of] life sentences" thing. I mean, if someone is piling up on those life sentences, they need the death penalty TBH.
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It still just doesn't make sense, really. It's basically just becoming like them, no matter how many people they've killed. No one, even mass murderers or Osama bin Ladin, should be killed in the name of justice.
Killing someone doesn't make things right. It doesn't change anything, really. It doesn't save anyone they killed, it doesn't heal those who were hurt, physically or emotionally, due to the killings of others.
No case is more special than another. It's all the same. Someone gets killed, so we think it's alright to kill the killer. We're just turning into them, murderers, but it's all good, right, cuz they were bad people? No.
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Originally posted by Hooligan
What if she was raped?
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Aside from the fact that pregnancy as a result of either rape or incest is extremely rare...there is no getting around the fact that the baby ends up in the same situation -- dead. If policy makers wanted to make a law regarding abortion for special circumstances then let them be my guest. That's a whole different issue.
The issue at hand is that EVERY women should have the right to abortion. Using rare instance of rape or incest to try and justify that every women should be allowed to abort a baby is the same logic as trying to eliminate a traffic law due to the fact that one might have to violate some of them in rare circumstances.
There'll will always be an exception to the rule, but we gotta look at the whole picture here. The majority of women wanting abortions would most likely be for reason aside from rape.
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Member Since: 3/9/2011
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I'm totally against it. No one should decide who lives and who doesn't. God or just the nature should. We have no rights to do something that inhumane. I swear I can't believe the USA hasn't abolished the death penalty. That's so ****in medieval.
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 5/28/2011
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Originally posted by (Cole)
Nice to know that you care more about your money than you do human life. Show's a lot about you as a person.
What happens when the person you're killing with your money is innocent? Is it worth the money then?
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THIS POST...
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Member Since: 7/22/2010
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An infinite amount of guilty people should go free before one innocent is punished.
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Member Since: 11/6/2010
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One of my reasonings of supporting the death penalty is because the person, or people, they killed doesn't get to live out the rest of their days. Why should they? This doesn't apply to people who might be innocent though.
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
Posts: 19,718
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Originally posted by (Cole)
Nice to know that you care more about your money than you do human life. Show's a lot about you as a person.
What happens when the person you're killing with your money is innocent? Is it worth the money then?
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To get on death row takes a lot of convincing evidence. There's a reason why Casey Anthony, despite the overwhelming guilt found in her by the public court, got off scott free. The jury just wasn't convinced. This is another rare occurrence that can easily be eradicated if the requirements to be considered for capital punishments are raised. Let's not forget about the MAJORITY of those people who are indeed guilty of their crimes though.
It' not so much about my money vs a human life, it's more about spending money on public education to build a brighter America ooor paying to keep an insanely violent person who killed his whole family by tying them up and burning them alive alive.
I can't with some of you gurls coming at me with emotional arguments. I'm sorry, but I don't use. I'm keeping it logical here.
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by IfICannot Love♥
It still just doesn't make sense, really. It's basically just becoming like them, no matter how many people they've killed. No one, even mass murderers or Osama bin Ladin, should be killed in the name of justice.
Killing someone doesn't make things right. It doesn't change anything, really. It doesn't save anyone they killed, it doesn't heal those who were hurt, physically or emotionally, due to the killings of others.
No case is more special than another. It's all the same. Someone gets killed, so we think it's alright to kill the killer. We're just turning into them, murderers, but it's all good, right, cuz they were bad people? No.
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Nope. An executioner is not a murderer, so no one's turning into a murderer. An executioner acts as an official of the state, eliminating a threat to society, like bin Laden. Certain people have licenses to kill, i.e. an executioner during execution, and a solider during battle. Neither the solider or the executioner is committing murder.
According to the definition of murder, you're not turning into a murderer by sending someone to death row. Threats to society HAVE to be eliminated, that's just the way it is. The world isn't all sunshine and rainbows.
And BTW, I can't tell you how many 9/11 victim's family's were overjoyed and overwhelmed when they heard the news that bin Laden was eliminated.
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Member Since: 3/9/2011
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Originally posted by Foxaylove
What justification is there for taking one's life? An eye for an eye? Are we seriously continuing to use this logic when favoring such a stance?
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