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Celeb News: EW: Summer 2011 Winners & Losers (Music)
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Originally posted by beyoncefan1
Also Katy is a winner yet her album sales r STILL lower than Bey n GaGa's sales after havin 5 "record breaking" #1 singles n her videos r the definition of "lackluster" Bey n GaGa's not so great videos r better than her best one. She's simply a singles artists following the trend of every generic pop star who sell singles like hotcakes yet no one buys her album. I like her songs in all but don't u think it's a bit foolish to come and say Bey n GaGa r lacking this era while Katy is clearly following trends not making them?
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Teenage Dream 1.7 million (4M WW)
4 700K (1.5M WW)
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Avoiding the topic of Gaga entirely, since when is 436,000 staggering? Ew.
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Originally posted by Rigged
Teenage Dream 1.7 million (4M WW)
4 700K (1.5M WW)
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Member Since: 4/1/2011
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KANYE WEST AND JAY-Z
How is WTT considered winning compared to Gaga? You can completely switch around the explanations for WTT reason for winning and Gaga's reason for losing and it actually makes more sense: (example)
LOSERS
Kanye and Jay-Z: Their album debuted big, but both rappers failed to meet high expectations, suffering from disappointing singles and lackluster videos.
WINNERS
LADY GAGA: Born This Way sold a staggering 1mil+ copies in its first week and broke records.
I completely understand the reasons for everyone else, but this boggles me. BTW has 5 top 20 songs on BB100 -- that is not "disappointing singles". Also, opening with 1mil+ is not losing in any way. Say whatever you want about her videos but I don't see how the videos from WTT have been better.
For all I care, call Kanye and Jay-Z Losers along with Gaga and Bey, I just don't see how they can possibly be considered winners above gaga.
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Originally posted by Rigged
Teenage Dream 1.7 million (4M WW)
4 700K (1.5M WW)
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4 came out almost a year after Katy and TD had 5 #1 US hits.
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Originally posted by Rigged
Teenage Dream 1.7 million (4M WW)
4 700K (1.5M WW)
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TD isn't at 4M yet (according to the only chart we have), despite 5 massive #1s, a year in release, incessant promo of all kind, incessant discounts, holiday sales, AOTY nomination, and all sorts of shenanigans from Capitol to keep the album - and Katy - in the spotlight 24/7.
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Originally posted by beyoncefan1
Ppl must be still buying the Teenage Dream single thinking they're gettin the album.
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Originally posted by Gui Blackout
Yes but her singles and tour are doing very well, thank you.
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Didn't she not sell tickets on Groupon for like 50% off, though?
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
TD isn't at 4M yet (according to the only chart we have), despite 5 massive #1s, a year in release, incessant promo of all kind, incessant discounts, holiday sales, AOTY nomination, and all sorts of shenanigans from Capitol to keep the album - and Katy - in the spotlight 24/7.
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You didnt have to go in on them that hard.
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Originally posted by Sushi
LOSERS
Kanye and Jay-Z: Their album debuted big, but both rappers failed to meet high expectations, suffering from disappointing singles and lackluster videos.
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Huh? The album has been out for three weeks. What expectations has it failed to meet?
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Originally posted by Sushi
WINNERS
LADY GAGA: Born This Way sold a staggering 1mil+ copies in its first week and broke records
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Yes, the record it broke was the biggest ever second-week drop for an album selling over a million copies in its first week. That's a real resume topper.
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Originally posted by La Musique
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I wouldn't trust MrDeeds tbh.
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Originally posted by supaspaz
Yes, the record it broke was the biggest ever second-week drop for an album selling over a million copies in its first week. That's a real resume topper.
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I mean... that's a pretty damn high-class problem.
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Originally posted by La Musique
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Because it really did pass the 1million mark
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
TD isn't at 4M yet (according to the only chart we have), despite 5 massive #1s, a year in release, incessant promo of all kind, incessant discounts, holiday sales, AOTY nomination, and all sorts of shenanigans from Capitol to keep the album - and Katy - in the spotlight 24/7.
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Drag 'em.
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
I mean... that's a pretty damn high-class problem.
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Lol, right? She still had a pop album open to 1m+ in 2011. Call it the product of hype, but she still has a trajectory to have better album sales (at least globally) than everyone but Adele.
I see BTW selling somewhere between 2.0-2.5m in the end, which is not really a substantial drop-off from what TFM and particularly TF would have sold as (truly) separate releases.
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
I wouldn't trust MrDeeds tbh.
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Lmao, the other ones.
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
TD isn't at 4M yet (according to the only chart we have), despite 5 massive #1s, a year in release, incessant promo of all kind, incessant discounts, holiday sales, AOTY nomination, and all sorts of shenanigans from Capitol to keep the album - and Katy - in the spotlight 24/7.
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Dragged, beaten, and burned.
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Originally posted by supaspaz
Yes, the record it broke was the biggest ever second-week drop for an album selling over a million copies in its first week. That's a real resume topper.
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That's a pretty specific record, lmao.
The fact remains: BTW is in the history books and sold over 1,000,000 copies in one week. You can try to down play that all you want, it doesn't matter and it's going to sell 5,000,000 WW by the end of the year.
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Originally posted by supaspaz
Huh? The album has been out for three weeks. What expectations has it failed to meet?
Yes, the record it broke was the biggest ever second-week drop for an album selling over a million copies in its first week. That's a real resume topper.
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I was just giving examples to express that I don't understand how WTT is considered a win over BTW.
But to actually respond:
WTT opened with 436,000. A VERY solid number. However, it is less than the opening number for both kanye's and Jay-z's previous albums. Sure, you can say duets do poorly, but these are 2 of the biggest rappers on the planet. Also, There has been surrounded hype for the album for over 10 months. Taking that all into consideration, it is no farther of a stretch to call WTT a "failed expectation" as it is to call BTW one.
And for the second part, you, me, and the world knows that BTW has done much more than just drop hard.
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
TD isn't at 4M yet (according to the only chart we have), despite 5 massive #1s, a year in release, incessant promo of all kind, incessant discounts, holiday sales, AOTY nomination, and all sorts of shenanigans from Capitol to keep the album - and Katy - in the spotlight 24/7.
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how many pop albums cross the 4 million mark these days? I'm not trying to shade Beyonce or anything but her last album sold just 6 million (5.5 million according to mediatraffic) after 8 singles/videos, a platinum edition, huge promo, critical acclaim, Grammys, etc Anyway, as Billboard said if you convert Katy's singles to track equivalent albums she has sold 7 million albums and tracks equivalent worldwide, an advantage Beyonce doesn't have specially with her current album
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Winners: Adele, Katy Perry, Britney Spears, LMFAO, Pitbull, Nicki Minaj, Lil Wayne. I would say those are the big winners. Everyone seems to be always talking about them. Kanye/Jay-Z did decent with their album. Nothing amazing.
Lady Gaga has clearly lost popularity from the Fame/Fame Moster era, though she is far from being a loser. She still doesn't have a flop single to her name (Judas was a disappointment, not a flop). Beyonce's single sales this era are shockingly bad. Although Love On Top is doing well on iTunes so far. She is definitely a loser, I think. Surprising to say that about Beyonce.
Are Kesha and The Black Eyed Peas even alive?
And I gotta mention Maroon 5, Foster the People, Hot Chelle Rae, Rihanna, Bad Meets Evil, and Cobra Starship. I feel like we didn't hear a whole lot from them but they all had a hit this summer...or their song is climbing up the charts and is on its way to becoming a hit.
I can't stress enough how lackluster this summer was in terms of music.
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I wonder why are you people bringing stuff from months ago? I thought this was based off SUMMER 2011.
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