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Discussion: Ending friendship with Trump's supporters. Thoughts?
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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I don't know anyone who voted for him so I don't have that issue. And if I did, I would wait until he started ****ing up the country before ghosting them out of my life.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Jan
There was no huge uproar when Romney lost in 2012.
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Conservatives literally protested in colonial gear in 2008 and 2012.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by 6_INCH_HEELS
I don't know anyone who voted for him so I don't have that issue. And if I did, I would wait until he started ****ing up the country before ghosting them out of my life.
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What if he does well with the country though?
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Member Since: 3/18/2012
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Member Since: 7/12/2010
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I mean, people supporting and voting for him literally affects our livelihood. These are not games. Lol. I would cut them off no problem.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by FBF
Well being from France, if I had a friends voting for Le Pen it'd depend :
If they're voting for her for her xenophobic views then we're probably through
If they're voting because they want out of the EU/economical reasons, then
It's not about not being able to have friends who have different opinions, it's just that some opinions are just not respectable
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Member Since: 4/6/2014
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
What if he does well with the country though?
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That would be AMAZING. However, his policies show that he won't. I know you feel that your country is better under a conservative party but America is not so lucky. Trump's plan is to lower the taxes on the wealthiest and raise taxes for the people who don't have the money to spare. Okay, so he does that for job creation right? Well Bush did the same thing in 2004 except his tax cut was DOUBLE what Trump is proposing. The top 15 corporations that benefited the most cut 21,000 jobs between 2004 and 2007. Jobs were not created even though companies had less of a tax burden. Why? Because companies are greedy. Rich people are greedy. Humans are greedy, selfish and kinda evil. That's why a society has laws, to keep people in check and punish those that get out of hand. We are animals after all
So we are looking at a possible economic failure, a loss of health care (although the Repubs seem clueless on how to go about that), conservative Supreme Court judges who at some point could overturn not only Roe v Wade but gay marriage as well. Not to even mention the Republican Party's penchant for keeping black people from voting.
Overall, it is just a mess If liberal voters don't come out in 2018, I will forever lose hope in humanity. Liberals are the true silent majority. People didn't vote because so many young people didn't even think that someone like Trump could win. I didn't think he'd win but I still got my ass out to vote.
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Member Since: 8/19/2006
Posts: 6,475
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Originally posted by Jan
What's an undocumented immigrant? The illegals have or had documents and the arrival of most of them on US soil was documented. It's just either their visas expired or they don't have permits to work. Stop that politically correct wording.
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I'm sorry, I didn't realize the Word Police was here on ATRL...
See, I don't go around telling people not to use "illegal immigrant" (and in fact, I've used it myself from time to time), so I don't quite appreciate it when people try to tell ME what phrasing I should or should not use. Personally, I believe that it's nice to have enough variety in my lexicon (which means "vocabulary," btw) that I am able to use different terms for the same concepts, but hey, that's just me. Not all of us care for nuance, I guess.
Also, it's my God-given right to use whatever phrase or term I want, so your opinion about it means jack-**** to me.
But anyway, I take it (probably rightly) from the fact that all you could come for in my post was one word that you have no real arguments to offer about what I wrote. So I'm just gonna consider this conversation finished. K? Good, ttyl.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
Posts: 3,830
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Originally posted by andresg770
I'm sorry, I didn't realize the Word Police was here on ATRL...
See, I don't go around telling people not to use "illegal immigrant" (and in fact, I've used it myself from time to time), so I don't quite appreciate it when people try to tell ME what phrasing I should or should not use. Personally, I believe that it's nice to have enough variety in my lexicon (which means "vocabulary," btw) that I am able to use different terms for the same concepts, but hey, that's just me. Not all of us care for nuance, I guess.
Also, it's my God-given right to use whatever phrase or term I want, so your opinion about it means jack-**** to me.
But anyway, I take it (probably rightly) from the fact that all you could come for in my post was one word that you have no real arguments to offer about what I wrote. So I'm just gonna consider this conversation finished. K? Good, ttyl.
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Sure, you can. I'm just pointing out the propagandism in that wording and I'm allowed to do so as well. It's not only you reading these posts so if you don't care about my opinion, then why are you replying? The 'stop' in that post wasn't directed specifically at you, but was a general statement. And I don't have anything else to say about your post, because it's really your personal opinion, debating which would be kinda pointless. I don't have these types of problems anyway.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Jan
Decent favorability?! He won the damn election! Sure, he lost the popular vote, but still got a bit less than 50% of the vote! That's not decent favorability?
Trump has low favorability only amongst people who didn't support him because he is not from the establishment and makes controversial opinions. He called for complete rejection of far-left policies of the Obama administration, which have been shoven down people's throats under meaningless slogans such as 'tolerance', 'progressiveness'. Another thing is that he isn't a politician and that is the sole reason for the few mistakes he made so far - like with the Taiwanese president call. He's going to learn it from experience and, I hope, that from his advisors as well. But so far, most of his cabinet appointments are good, so I'm moderately optimistic about the future of his presidency.
But being out of the establishment is also what got him elected. This whole election was a middle finger to the establishment, to the politically correct media, self-proclaimed moral authorities dictating people what they should or shouldn't do.
And, in my opinion, it is Obama's fault that the country is so divided now and not Trump's. Trump is only a symbol of the backlash against the last 8 years.
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Trump has good favorabilit? Lmao he has by far the lowest one for a president elect ever. He lost the popular vote by a huge margin (2%/3 million) to the loser of the election, that's how unpopular he is. The fact that you're using this as proof of his popularity when presidents usually get a majority of the vote
You can keep blaming his outsider status all you want but he's never been a liked person and the way he campaigned surely didn't help. His name is extremely toxic. He can't get a single A-lister to perform for him. The Bushes, the Carters and the Clintons are all basically forced to attend out of tradition but they all can't stand him. None of his billionaire peers endorsed him as president because he's not a respected businessman. He became the first republican in history to lose the educated whites vote. Ross Perot was a total outsider in the 90s and he was widely popular. Trump just campaigned in a way that threw minorities under the bus so that the uneducated would come out in full force for him in the swing states.
And don't you dare blame Obama. He's getting out with a 56 approval rating while Trump is getting in with a 48 one and it usually only goes down from there (Obama got in with a 70 rating). Obama is widely liked and he can get more A-listers in his closing ceremony than Trump can get to his inauguration because the GP likes Obama and his name isn't toxic.
You can keep blaming liberals all you want but George W, HW Bush, and Reagan were all widely liked.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
Posts: 11,464
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Originally posted by Can't_M!ss_This
That would be AMAZING. However, his policies show that he won't. I know you feel that your country is better under a conservative party but America is not so lucky. Trump's plan is to lower the taxes on the wealthiest and raise taxes for the people who don't have the money to spare. Okay, so he does that for job creation right? Well Bush did the same thing in 2004 except his tax cut was DOUBLE what Trump is proposing. The top 15 corporations that benefited the most cut 21,000 jobs between 2004 and 2007. Jobs were not created even though companies had less of a tax burden. Why? Because companies are greedy. Rich people are greedy. Humans are greedy, selfish and kinda evil. That's why a society has laws, to keep people in check and punish those that get out of hand. We are animals after all
So we are looking at a possible economic failure, a loss of health care (although the Repubs seem clueless on how to go about that), conservative Supreme Court judges who at some point could overturn not only Roe v Wade but gay marriage as well. Not to even mention the Republican Party's penchant for keeping black people from voting.
Overall, it is just a mess If liberal voters don't come out in 2018, I will forever lose hope in humanity. Liberals are the true silent majority. People didn't vote because so many young people didn't even think that someone like Trump could win. I didn't think he'd win but I still got my ass out to vote.
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All of this, basically. Dems will turn out to clean up the mess per usual, while somehow getting blamed for it.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
Posts: 3,830
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
Trump has good favorabilit? Lmao he has by far the lowest one for a president elect ever. He lost the popular vote by a huge margin (2%/3 million) to the loser of the election, that's how unpopular he is. The fact that you're using this as proof of his popularity when presidents usually get a majority of the vote
You can keep blaming his outsider status all you want but he's never been a liked person and the way he campaigned surely didn't help. His name is extremely toxic. He can't get a single A-lister to perform for him. The Bushes, the Carters and the Clintons are all basically forced to attend out of tradition but they all can't stand him. None of his billionaire peers endorsed him as president because he's not a respected businessman. He became the first republican in history to lose the educated whites vote. Ross Perot was a total outsider in the 90s and he was widely popular. Trump just campaigned in a way that threw minorities under the bus so that the uneducated would come out in full force for him in the swing states.
And don't you dare blame Obama. He's getting out with a 56 approval rating while Trump is getting in with a 48 one and it usually only goes down from there (Obama got in with a 70 rating). Obama is widely liked and he can get more A-listers in his closing ceremony than Trump can get to his inauguration because the GP likes Obama and his name isn't toxic.
You can keep blaming liberals all you want but George W, HW Bush, and Reagan were all widely liked.
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Clinton didn't get a majority either. Two million people difference isn't even that much when we're talking about a country of 350 million. If winning an election is, according to you, a sign of being disapproved then I don't really know what to say. Only 55% of Americans have voted, but everyone is asked for their approval so where was the 'now-unhappy' 45% on November 8th, 2016? If you don't like President Elect Trump, should have voted for Secretary Clinton.
And you're bashing me for using an election outcome as an argument and you speak about pop stars? It has been no secret that Hollywood is liberal and nearly all the major celebrities came out in support of Clinton. Those who are conservative have to keep quiet about it or else their careers would be essentially over. Singers like Beyoncé, Perry, Gaga all took active part in the Democratic campaign. Why would they now sing at their opponent's inauguration?
It's no Republican's fault that's the way it works. Eight years of Obama's shift to the left created all this toxicity, intending to force the entire political spectrum to the left and silencing anyone who oppose it with argumentum ad hitlerum. In the past, it was considered absolutely normal to vote either for government aid (Democrats) or DIY (Republicans). Everyone is trying to make it just about Trump's name by painting him as the Nazi of the 21st century, but in reality, this is a fight against conservatism.
I don't know how popular Trump was before running for a public office. I'm not an American. I only knew him from Celebrity Apprentice and a few random stories like the one with the Obama certificate. But if he really was as hated as you claim, then his election outcome is a grand success and it's slowly growing higher.
George W. Bush is liked? I'm not claiming it's false, but this is really news to me. The last time I've heard of him was when his approval ratings reached 18% and the Internet was talking about jet fuel melting steel beams and 'nucular weapons'.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Jan
Clinton didn't get a majority either. Two million people difference isn't even that much when we're talking about a country of 350 million. If winning an election is, according to you, a sign of being disapproved then I don't really know what to say. Only 55% of Ameans have voted, but everyone is asked for their approval so where was the 'now-unhappy' 45% on November 8th, 2016? If you don't like President Elect Trump, should have voted for Secretary Clinton.
And you're bashing me for using an election outcome as an argument and you speak about pop stars? It has been no secret that Hollywood is liberal and nearly all the major celebrities came out in support of Clinton. Those who are conservative have to keep quiet about it or else their careers would be essentially over. Singers like Beyoncé, Perry, Gaga all took active part in the Democratic campaign. Why would they now sing at their opponent's inauguration?
It's no Republican's fault that's the way it works. Eight years of Obama's shift to the left created all this toxicity, intending to force the entire political spectrum to the left and silencing anyone who oppose it with argumentum ad hitlerum. In the past, it was considered absolutely normal to vote either for government aid (Democrats) or DIY (Republicans). Everyone is trying to make it just about Trump's name by painting him as the Nazi of the 21st century, but in reality, this is a fight against conservatism.
I don't know how popular Trump was before running for a public office. I'm not an American. I only knew him from Celebrity Apprentice and a few random stories like the one with the Obama certificate. But if he really was as hated as you claim, then his election outcome is a grand success and it's slowly growing higher.
George H. Bush is liked? I'm not claiming it's false, but this is really news to me. The last time I've heard of him was when his approval ratings reached 18% and the Internet was talking about jet fuel melting steel beams and 'nucular weapons'.
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Lefties work differently. Many of them didn't like Hillary either hence they didn't vote for her and went to third parties. Republicans vote for their party regardless of who's on top of the ticket. 15% of Trump voters disliked him while 11% of Clinton voters disliked her. People who disliked both voted for Trump 17% more than Clinton. This especially applies to those suburban women who vote like their husbands. It doesn't stop Trump from being a pariah.
And again, he's the most disliked president elect. Pretty sure that includes an election outcome.
As for Hollywood, yes it is indeed liberal. But that didn't stop bush
RICKY, DESTINY'S CHILD, LYLE LOVETT WELCOME BUSH TO WHITE HOUSE
And once again, don't blame Obama for Trump's unlikability. Any other republican would be treated with much more respect than Trump (Except for Ted Cruz). Obama has his own high approval rating that he's getting out with. Blame other people all you want, but Trump made his bed not Obama.
As for Trump's popularity
He was only liked when The Apprentice was at its prime.
And you're thinking of GW, HW was highly liked. Had a 60.8 approval rating average. Even GW was widely loved by liberals at some point. He still has the highest first term approval rating since the sixties.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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No it's easy being friends with Trump supporters. Try hanging out with Trump haters who kidnap and beat people and live stream it
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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I only know one person who fully supported him, a 100% Mexican friend, I see him with different eyes now
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by that G.U.Y.
No it's easy being friends with Trump supporters. Try hanging out with Trump haters who kidnap and beat people and live stream it
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Or you could be like: I think you're homophobic since you support trump. Show me your D to prove you aren't
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by Can't_M!ss_This
That would be AMAZING. However, his policies show that he won't. I know you feel that your country is better under a conservative party but America is not so lucky.
So we are looking at a possible economic failure, a loss of health care (although the Repubs seem clueless on how to go about that), conservative Supreme Court judges who at some point could overturn not only Roe v Wade but gay marriage as well. Not to even mention the Republican Party's penchant for keeping black people from voting.
Overall, it is just a mess If liberal voters don't come out in 2018, I will forever lose hope in humanity. Liberals are the true silent majority. People didn't vote because so many young people didn't even think that someone like Trump could win. I didn't think he'd win but I still got my ass out to vote.
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The hypocrisy of this all.
A lot of people in your country was obviously unhappy with the current policy and wanted a change. They obviously chose Trump because they hope he will change things for the better. Him trying to get rid of the Obamacare failure doesnt mean Americans will be left without a healthcare system. They cant do that without introducing a new alternative. If Trump goes wrong with it, then he will burry his political career.
And if the liberals were truly the ones who didnt use their most important right -the right to vote, and arrogantly thought that the other candidate is there just to make up the numbers, then they have no basis to complain about the outcome of the elections they chose to ignore.
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Member Since: 4/6/2014
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Originally posted by Bríseis
The hypocrisy of this all.
A lot of people in your country was obviously unhappy with the current policy and wanted a change. They obviously chose Trump because they hope he will change things for the better. Him trying to get rid of the Obamacare failure doesn't mean Americans will be left without a healthcare system. They cant do that without introducing a new alternative. If Trump goes wrong with it, then he will bury his political career.
And if the liberals were truly the ones who didnt use their most important right -the right to vote, and arrogantly thought that the other candidate is there just to make up the numbers, then they have no basis to complain about the outcome of the elections they chose to ignore.
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There's always going to be unhappy people. The president has never been able or responsible for fixing ALL of the problems in the country. Rural voters were upset that tax dollars weren't spent on roads that maybe 100 people a week travel on. You make it sound like the majority of people chose Trump, when the minority actually did. Of course the United States won't lose Obamacare, people like it. They don't like spending the money it takes to have it but I don't see people complaining about paying for car insurance. Bury his political career? What career? He started at the highest office in the land. Whether he gets one term or two, this is it for him because there is nowhere else to go.
Of course many Democrats ****ed up. Don't think I don't berate people in real life when I find out they didn't vote. I'm that bitch and I let them know. However, I was the 3rd in line at my polling place and I have the right to complain. And I will spend the next 4 years telling everybody and their dog to get out and vote in 2018 so that Trump's last 2 years are a lot harder.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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No, unless they are Internet trolls
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