[Idontcareaboutyou]

Originally posted by Funhouse

But we're not talking about a country without a history of colonialism. In fact, The Netherlands had colonies all over the world, including in North and South America, and played a massive part in transatlantic slave trade (look up the Dutch West India Company). Our entire economy was built upon this.

Even if you look beyond the use blackface itself, which I think is inherently racist but doesn't have the same history here as in certain other places, you can't deny the Zwarte Piet character is questionable at the very least. Just look at his outfit (which looks something a slave would wear in 17th century Holland) and the way they get to the Netherlands by ship (transatlantic slave trade, anyone?) to fulfill the role of a servant to an old white guy. If you take into consideration the history of The Netherlands I can't see how you could deny certain racist connotations in this tradition. Having (mostly) white people paint themselves black to play this role just adds to the injury.

He's not a slave, in fact Schenkman specifically avoided giving him a chain. He's a child-servant which were very common in the 19th century (both black and white).

[RomanNavy]

Originally posted by Bicassie

1. black pete is based on slavery
2. you cant dress up as another race,thats racist
3. It fuels racism....ive been called black pete by mean white people in school
4. Some black people are hurt and offended by this travesty and feel like they are not being heard,although REAL change is finally starting to happen

like........

This was never proven though.

[Bicassie]

Originally posted by cloudinthesky

The real question that everyone has conveniently avoided answering though is why not just get rid of the black face paint and afro wig? You can still celebrate the holiday with your natural white face with just black soot marks all over and red lipstick. Like, why do y'all feel so attached to painting your entire face black and donning an afro wig? Literally, why do you feel like that is such an integral part of the tale that your entire holiday would be ruined without the freedom to walk around as an over-exaggerated black person?

That is already happening......but the problem is that most of the black pete's are still black....but it is a work in progress....and thats why these activists should keep protesting tbh

Some schools in our country have banned black pete....
Multiple tv stations have banned black pete.......
Stores are banning black pete.......

**** is changing
But we are not THERE yet

[wanderlust]

black piet (meaning black dick) is the slave of white santa.. I grew up with that thinking it was a little strange as well, but it was always said on tv that he was just black from going through the chimney to give gifts to kids.





blackface isnt racist in most countries outside of the US. just because the US has problems with racism, doesnt mean they have to force other countries to follow their new rules

[Bicassie]

Originally posted by RomanNavy

This was never proven though.

really....you really wanna be THAT ignorant.....................?

but WAIT aren't you a PVV stan,too? Im sorry sis.........but youre opinion is biased and does not matter....

[RomanNavy]

Originally posted by Bicassie

really............................................ ..............?

Aren't you a PVV stan,too? Im sorry sis.........but youre opinion is biased and does not matter....

Yes really.
The creator of the holiday never ever said anything about slavery.
You're welcome to prove me wrong.

Excuse me, I'm a PVV stan?
When and where did I ever say that?
Stop making assumptions. If you lack knowledge about something do research before you open your big mouth

[cloudinthesky]

Originally posted by Bicassie

That is already happening......but the problem is that most of the black pete's are still black....but it is a work in progress....and thats why these activists should keep protesting tbh

Some schools in our country have banned black pete....
Multiple tv stations have banned black pete.......
Stores are banning black pete.......

**** is changing
But we are not THERE yet

Yes Queen Amsterdam needs to collect ha Dutch sistrens all the way together tbh

Originally posted by wanderlust

black piet (meaning black dick) is the slave of white santa.. I grew up with that thinking it was a little strange as well, but it was always said on tv that he was just black from going through the chimney to give gifts to kids.





blackface isnt racist in most countries outside of the US. just because the US has problems with racism, doesnt mean they have to force other countries to follow their new rules

sdflkjl a ****ing mess

[wanderlust]

brats with time and social media getting angry over things like this are part of the reason why trump and right wing candidates are winning. stop focusing on this and spent your time on important stuff, such as demanding health care and being FOR immigration and free schooling.

[Bicassie]

Originally posted by RomanNavy

Yes really.
The creator of the holiday never ever said anything regarding slavery.
You're welcome to prove me wrong.

Excuse me, I'm a PVV stan?
When and where did I ever say that?
Stop making assumptions. If you lack knowledge about something do research before you open your big mouth

ive read things about you agreeing with that pig.........and that is honestly enough for me to make my conclusions about you........SIS.......but lemme indeed shut up and stop playing dirty......TTYN

[cloudinthesky]

Originally posted by wanderlust

brats with time and social media getting angry over things like this are part of the reason why trump and right wing candidates are winning. stop focusing on this and spent your time on important stuff, such as demanding health care and being FOR immigration and free schooling.

Sis, delete this. People can care about multiple issues at once. Humans are multi-faceted beings and perfectly capable of tackling multiple issues.

[OnikaSlays]

Originally posted by Bicassie

Its racist and pete's appearance should change COMPLETELY.....
People are hurt and offended.....people should ****ing listen and stop being racist by supporting blackface........cuz if you are supporting blackface.....you are a racist

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not but I agree

[UFO]

This entire MESS.
Blackface or nah, that entire ensemble is tragic and problematic.

EDIT: wait black piet = black dick?

[Iris]

Originally posted by wanderlust

black piet (meaning black dick) is the slave of white santa.. I grew up with that thinking it was a little strange as well, but it was always said on tv that he was just black from going through the chimney to give gifts to kids.



http://www.anoukliebers.com/wp-conte...sje-Belgie.gif

blackface isnt racist in most countries outside of the US. just because the US has problems with racism, doesnt mean they have to force other countries to follow their new rules

[ItsJustMe.]

Originally posted by wanderlust

black piet (meaning black dick) is the slave of white santa.. I grew up with that thinking it was a little strange as well, but it was always said on tv that he was just black from going through the chimney to give gifts to kids.





blackface isnt racist in most countries outside of the US. just because the US has problems with racism, doesnt mean they have to force other countries to follow their new rules

I partially agree with you, but they're not slaves



they're heroes for kids that star in their own tv shows / theatrical films where they save either Sinterklaas or the entire holiday

[Javan]

Originally posted by wanderlust

blackface isnt racist in most countries outside of the US. just because the US has problems with racism, doesnt mean they have to force other countries to follow their new rules

.... Evident by this protest, the African Americans are not the only black people against black face...

[ItsJustMe.]

Originally posted by UFO

This entire MESS.
Blackface or nah, that entire ensemble is tragic and problematic.

EDIT: wait black piet = black dick?

not that I know of, Piet is just the dutch version of the name Pete

[BadMonster]

Originally posted by ItsJustMe.

they paint SInterklaas white there

Of course they would, Sinterklaas = Saint Nicolas, he's a historical figure and is originally from Mira, Turkey

[Bicassie]

Black pete = Black dick?

[RomanNavy]

Originally posted by Bicassie

ive read things about you agreeing with that pig.........and that is honestly enough for me to make my conclusions about you........SIS.......but lemme indeed shut up and stop playing dirty......TTYN

I have never voted for that man and I will never vote for that man like wow I'm almost offended you said this.

I voted D66 last election, which is almost the complete opposite of the PVV.
You don't know me yet you're out here making assumptions I vote for xenophobic parties like the PVV.
Says more about you than it says about me.

[UFO]

Originally posted by ItsJustMe.

not that I know of, Piet is just the dutch version of the name Pete

oh thank god! cause