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Discussion: Gaga: "Joanne is irrelevant, not trendy pop music"
Member Since: 4/14/2011
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I don't like the adjective "irrelevant," Joanne. I need you to expound on its meaning.
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Member Since: 8/3/2012
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If the music was good it wouldn't matter. 
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Member Since: 8/18/2010
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Originally posted by IBeMe
No need to say it queen, we already know. The charts say it all!
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Lmfao!
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Let the music SPEAK for itself.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Jeff Koons
 @ ATRL being shook because she made an album she wanted to do and not the album they wanted her to make for the charts. 
Guess what? Not every artist makes music with the sole purpose of getting a "smash". Lady Gaga has been doing her own thing ever since Born This Way and will keep doing her own thing. Expressing her artistic truth is more important than topping Selena Gomez, Halsey, Meghan Trainor, Katy Perry or whoever else is doing the most to top the charts at tue moment. |
Icky, borderline "music snob" viewpoint. Not all good pop music is written for the charts. In fact, most isn't. Some people just like making good pop music, believe it or not, which happens to do well. Does Adele write music for the charts because her songs are successful?
Gaga going anti-pop and being extremely vocal about is nothing more than a gimmick, more so than anything Halsey has done or released. Y'all need to stop acting like The Fame/The Fame Monster wasn't her own thing. It was just her at her creative peak and now the well has run a bit dry.
Also be careful because your inclusion of Katy Perry in this list is obvious, deliberate flamebait since she hasn't released a proper single or had a chart topper since 2014 and makes her a clear outlier in your list.
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Originally posted by Aurora
Icky, borderline "music snob" viewpoint. Not all good pop music is written for the charts. In fact, most isn't. Some people just like making good pop music, believe it or not, which happens to do well. Does Adele write music for the charts because her songs are successful?
Gaga going anti-pop and being extremely vocal about is nothing more than a gimmick, more so than anything Halsey has done or released. Y'all need to stop acting like The Fame/The Fame Monster wasn't her own thing. It was just her at her creative peak and now the well has run a bit dry.
Also be careful because your inclusion of Katy Perry in this list is obvious, deliberate flamebait since she hasn't released a proper single or had a chart topper since 2014 and makes her a clear outlier in your list. |
Completely disagree. She isn't being "snobbish" or anything about it, she's basically that she didn't want it to be following any current radio trends or beats, and wanted it to be pretty timeless. She's made some great, unapologetic straight up Pop music that she's even called "just fun pop music that you don't have to really think about" in the past. This time around though, she's taking a different approach. And I think when you hear the album, you're going to completely understand what she's talking about.
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Member Since: 1/6/2014
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
"Not trendy"
Collaborators:
- Mark Ronson, producer of "Uptown Funk"
- Kevin Parker, frontman of uber trendy alt band of the moment Tame Impala
- Father John Misty, uber trendy alt solo man of the moment
- "Girl Crush" songwriter
- Beck, recent Album of the Year winner
- BloodPop, producer of Justin Bieber's smash "Sorry"
- Florence Welch, frontwoman of popular, current, successful Florence + the Machine
Sure, Gaga.
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Exactly. She got THE trendiest people on this record but she already doesn't believe in it.
When Born This Way was smashing and she wasn't working with anyone trendy you didn't hear one word about how underground and non-trendy Fernando was. She just talked about how great she thought the album was. What she's doing right now is padding herself for when the album underperforms so she can write it off as an "indie" album that's "anti-mainstream" and not just that she can't push records like she used to.
It's an excuse. She pulled this mess after ARTPOP undersold too.
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Member Since: 4/6/2011
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Originally posted by IBeMe
No need to say it queen, we already know. The charts say it all!
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 The fact that nobody reported this
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Listen, good music is good music. You don't have to explain why you made it, if it's for the charts or not, if you think it'll do well.
Most artists out there just make music because they think it's good and then they see whatever it does on the charts, but you don't hear them brag about that fact.
I feel like with everything she does she wants to overexplain it, but she just needs to shut up really.
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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She's pushing a narrative with multiple soundbites so that they might get published and influence people to reassess her and the album. Essentially they want people to know she's gone authentic/credible/indie/non-pop/whatever, even if the statement is problematic.
Only the online forums pay attention to everything she says, so it seems overwhelming.
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Originally posted by Energy
If the music was good it wouldn't matter. |
I hope you're not implying that good music does well commercially, regardless of intention?
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
"Not trendy"
Collaborators:
- Mark Ronson, producer of "Uptown Funk"
- Kevin Parker, frontman of uber trendy alt band of the moment Tame Impala
- Father John Misty, uber trendy alt solo man of the moment
- "Girl Crush" songwriter
- Beck, recent Album of the Year winner
- BloodPop, producer of Justin Bieber's smash "Sorry"
- Florence Welch, frontwoman of popular, current, successful Florence + the Machine
Sure, Gaga.
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I mean, OK, good for her that she's doing the kind of music SHE wants, but it sounds like she thought it'll smash and now that she realizes that it won't she's trying to blame it on everyone and everything 
I used to like her alot and even stan occasionally, but I just can't with her attitude  she's not smashing and that's fine, why be so bitter about it?
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by RudeBoyy
Is it possible she meant irreverent  ? |
How dare you critic Lady Gaga's word choices.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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People are doing the most. She didn't say it's indie / alternative / inaccessible, also she's not "blaming" anyone, learn to read.
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we wanted to make a pop album
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but we wanted it to make the way I like it
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and not trendy in any way
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She's just saying it's a pop album, but doesn't chase trends. You won't hear generic tropical dance beats but sounds that are not "hot" at the moment, like pop-rock, etc. She just shared that she could make it the way she liked it. Why is it a problem that she's excited and proud of her work 
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Originally posted by Adir
I mean, OK, good for her that she's doing the kind of music SHE wants, but it sounds like she thought it'll smash and now that she realizes that it won't she's trying to blame it on everyone and everything
I used to like her alot and even stan occasionally, but I just can't with her attitude she's not smashing and that's fine, why be so bitter about it? |
When did she ever act like she thought she was going to smash, and how is she acting bitter by any means? You guys are literally making this stuff up.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by yonsé
Exactly. She got THE trendiest people on this record but she already doesn't believe in it.
When Born This Way was smashing and she wasn't working with anyone trendy you didn't hear one word about how underground and non-trendy Fernando was. She just talked about how great she thought the album was. What she's doing right now is padding herself for when the album underperforms so she can write it off as an "indie" album that's "anti-mainstream" and not just that she can't push records like she used to.
It's an excuse. She pulled this mess after ARTPOP undersold too.
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Again, how does PI sound trendy whatsoever? That's like saying OneRepublic can't make something "un trendy" bc Ryan has produced a bunch of hits.
If you'd listen to any of the interviews she's given, she sounds more excited about this album than she has in a while. I legitimately haven't heard her sound so happy about the way an album was made in a long time, she sounds like she had a great time making it. She hasn't once talked about how the album is "indie" or "underground", you guys are completely pulling that quote out of context.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
When did she ever act like she thought she was going to smash, and how is she acting bitter by any means? You guys are literally making this stuff up. |
Not everything is literally, you should learn to read between the lines sis.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by IBeMe
No need to say it queen, we already know. The charts say it all!
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Member Since: 11/9/2011
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
"Not trendy"
Collaborators:
- Mark Ronson, producer of "Uptown Funk"
- Kevin Parker, frontman of uber trendy alt band of the moment Tame Impala
- Father John Misty, uber trendy alt solo man of the moment
- "Girl Crush" songwriter
- Beck, recent Album of the Year winner
- BloodPop, producer of Justin Bieber's smash "Sorry"
- Florence Welch, frontwoman of popular, current, successful Florence + the Machine
Sure, Gaga.
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Have you even heard the album yet? 
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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She's saving face this early? Woah...
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