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NY times: Bey Raised the bar, Others are leaping
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Originally posted by Navyboy20
Except Kanye did it first with the Runaway Movie back in 2010. Six Years ago. And even Then I'm not entirely sure he was the first.
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Came here to post this.
Still a legend and I love her and Lemonade, but let's not act like she's the only one who made visual album. iamamiwhoami's career is basically based on this
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I very much doubt Frank thought of Beyoncé considering he's been working on this since like 2013? and since when making a compilation video with hits (Views) is something inspired by Lemonade? They're trying way too hard
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Her cultural impact >>>> anyone today
The most impactful artist of this generation. Just iconic.
Lemonade is a masterpiece it's impact. You girls will stay mad
She raised the bar. It's just a high bar these artists can't reach.
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Originally posted by Salacious
Did you miss this part?
Clearly ARTPOP was a broken concept, and Tropico featured more than ONE song. You're really trying to be snarky for no reason, lol.
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Lana shouldn't even be in the convo.
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Again, you're trying to pass off credit to someone for doing something that's been done, all the while trying to discredit someone for popularizing something that wasn't taking off until she did it. How does this work? You can't just roll up with some "she wasn't the first" mess and not even know who the true originators where. Lana wasn't the first either, so why is she in the conversation?
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Originally posted by 6_INCH_HEELS
That is not what this article is saying, so you mentioning Lana and short films is irrelevant. People have done short films before Lana, and its only safe to assume that a woman who was releasing video anthologies on her second album and then moved on to releasing full videos for all the songs on her album by her fifth album, would only naturally progress to releasing a complete conceptual visual album by her sixth album, something Lana has NEVER done.
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The article is basically discussing how today's albums have a visual component beyond the standard music video, and the article seems to only mention one person as having popularized the trend, which I disagree with. I am not saying that Lana was the first, and that's not my argument. Do I need to repeat that again? It doesn't really matter if Lana didn't release a visual album, because the article isn't discussing visual albums. It's discussing video consumption beyond standard music videos, which is why the writer discusses "high-concept mini-movies," which is what I would categorize Tropico as (regardless of my actual opinion on its quality).
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Y'all keep saying Beyoncé was not the first to do this but she was indeed the first to make such an impact doing so... all the other short films you mention are forgotten and made no waves.
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Originally posted by Navyboy20
Except Kanye did it first with the Runaway Movie back in 2010. Six Years ago. And even Then I'm not entirely sure he was the first.
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And Bey did a visual anthology for every track on BDay circa 2007. Your point?
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Originally posted by s0ph0m0re
I really don't get the Bey praise, she bores me and Lemonade has no memorable songs whatsoever
The last good songs were Drunk in love and XO
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during BEYONCÉ you probably said it wasn't memorable and had no good songs since Love On Top
her next album you'll be saying she hasn't released any good songs since Sorry & Formation
always the way
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Originally posted by Same Ol' Mistakes
amamiwhoami's career is basically based on this
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don't nobody know her
ya'll are largely missing the point of the article which is advocating for Bey's influence on bigger name artists like Drake, Frank ect. she's created a post-2013 pop environment where singular videos don't cut it anymore, and thusly artists are having to come up with more elaborate and conceptual ways to add visuals to their music. the trend will continue, especially now that Drake followed suit.
i don't know why or how it's so hard for so many of u to just comment 'slay!' and move on it's like ya'll refuse to let anyone praise or think anything positive about Bey and feel the need to refute any claim advocating her impact......... i mean fortunately it still exists regardless but damn ya'll breathe
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
any artist could do it, they just need to have the coin,.
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That's why I said established artists. Establish artists are usually backed by funds that can enable artistic experimentation and "unique" releases.
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No lies told. She honestly changed the industry, she doesn't get the credit she deserves.
Meanwhile, literally all the other pop girls are underperforming. Whether you like her or not, you have to admit that she's restructured the industry in a way that no other pop star has in the last decade.
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Of course King did, others still playing catch up
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Originally posted by Salacious
The article is basically discussing how today's albums have a visual component beyond the standard music video, and the article seems to only mention one person as having popularized the trend, which I disagree with. I am not saying that Lana was the first, and that's not my argument. Do I need to repeat that again? It doesn't really matter if Lana didn't release a visual album, because the article isn't discussing visual albums. It's discussing video consumption beyond standard music videos, which is why the writer discusses "high-concept mini-movies," which is what I would categorize Tropico as (regardless of my actual opinion on its quality).
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Bey created a conceptual album along with a conceptual film to mirror the story of the album. THAT is the difference and she helped to popularize it. She marketed it as a film and is selling the ENTIRE piece for close to $20. Coming along after your album is released and deciding to do a few thematic videos here and there is not the same.
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“For an artist who is really wanting a body of work to be examined as a conceptual whole, this creates that environment in a singles-driven world,” Mr. Rabhan said.
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But your problem seems to be with the publication, so I should refer you to have this discussion with the author.
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Originally posted by qurl
i don't know why or how it's so hard for so many of u to just comment 'slay!' and move on it's like ya'll refuse to let anyone praise or think anything positive about Bey and feel the need to refute any claim advocating her impact......... i mean fortunately it still exists regardless but damn ya'll breathe
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The irony is deadly! It seems like certain fans are so defensive that they refuse to accept constructive criticism or an opinion that doesn't praise the artist in question completely.
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Originally posted by DIVO DIVINE
Y'all keep saying Beyoncé was not the first to do this but she was indeed the first to make such an impact doing so... all the other short films you mention are forgotten and made no waves.
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Kanyes Runway was very talked about and was on all the blogs. The only reason why it's forgotten is because he has neglected it to this day. Where as Beyonce will always perform her key tracks so her legacy isn't forgotten.
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Originally posted by Salacious
The irony is deadly! It seems like certain fans are so defensive that they refuse to accept constructive criticism or an opinion that doesn't praise the artist in question completely.
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if u don't get ur crusty, 6 grade reading comprehension ass off my quote button it won't be the irony that's deadly u pimple dick twat muncher. scurry along, roach
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
Beyoncé Raised the Bar With ‘Lemonade.’ Now Others Are Leaping, Too.
By JOE COSCARELLISEPT. 28, 2016
Does every pop star these days need a “Lemonade”?
Among Beyoncé’s more influential tactics at the moment is her insistence that an album should not be just an auditory experience and that the standard music video — a sort of trailer for an artist’s current sound or creative era — is far from enough. “Lemonade,” her sixth solo album, had its premiere in April as an artsy and provocative hourlong film on HBO, raising the bar set by “Beyoncé,” the surprise “visual album” that came with videos for every track in 2013.
As the value of digital music continues to hover near free for many consumers, some brand-name acts are following Beyoncé’s blueprint with high-concept mini-movies that can add artistic heft to projects competing for attention in an infinite pile of content. These extended videos, with their headline-grabbing cameos and high production values, have also become the latest theater in the music streaming war as services like Tidal and Apple Music function not just as platforms but as creative partners (and sometimes financial backers) with artists, in exchange for exclusivity.
On Sunday night, Apple Music released “Please Forgive Me,” a 22-minute video with a loose action-movie plot that strings together hits from Drake’s “Views,” the biggest album of the year so far. Shot in the Soweto area of Johannesburg, “Please Forgive Me” is available only as an Apple stream — even screenshots have been disabled, minimizing Drake’s usual meme-ability — and credits Larry Jackson, the service’s head of content, as a producer and co-writer. It follows the release last month of Frank Ocean’s “Endless,” a 45-minute “visual album” and musing on the artistic process that was also exclusive to Apple. (The “Lemonade” film is available for streaming and downloading only on Tidal.)
“We are living in such a visual time, social media-wise, with Snapchat and Instagram, that every project needs to have some sort of multimedia component,” said Jeff Rabhan, a veteran artist manager and the chairman of the Clive Davis Institute of Recorded Music at New York University. But a single with an accompanying four-minute video “just doesn’t cut through the noise,” he said.
By advertising “Please Forgive Me” as a film that was “inspired by the album” — not simply a long music video — Drake and Apple cryptically telegraphed the premiere as an event ŕ la “Lemonade” instead of another step in the “Views” marketing plan. In fact, by aiming for prestige, artists may sacrifice some commercial impact: “Please Forgive Me” came in lieu of an earlier stand-alone YouTube video for Drake’s chart-topping summer single, “One Dance,” which could have juiced its Billboard statistics and extended its reign. (Streams have been a significant part of Drake’s success now that Billboard counts them, along with album sales, when calculating chart positions.)
“For an artist who is really wanting a body of work to be examined as a conceptual whole, this creates that environment in a singles-driven world,” Mr. Rabhan said.
Beyond the artistic-credibility incentive, the immersive experience of an extended video can also serve as “a commercial for the tour,” he added. “Drake, Beyoncé — they’re not making their money on streaming or sales. They’re making money when we spend $180 to go to Citi Field and watch ‘Lemonade’ in person.” (With Drake as its most prominent artistic face, Apple Music has also partnered with him on a Beats 1 online radio show and sponsored his “Summer Sixteen” tour with Future, another Apple-affiliated artist.)
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/29/ar...deos.html?_r=0
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Changed the game when that Lemomade dropped
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The next step is for Bey to release her album visuals in theaters around the world.
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Cool. These extended videos are tiresome though. I don't have time to sit and watch the entire videos.
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