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News: All majority-Muslim countries have LGBT and women issues.
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Water is wet etc. The religion has problems, often/usually more severe than other religions and affecting more people than any other one. I don't think it's that hard to accept. And it doesn't have anything to do with hatred/violence towards Muslims, which obviously MUST not be tolerated.
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So one of the most populous Muslim countries is further down the list yet you're branding ALL Muslims as the same? 
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In the OP, "further down that list" just means lower percentage of Muslim population (between 99.9% to about 70%), nothing about the degree of discrimination against women/LGBT rights. 
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20% of Muslims live in Arab countries. No mention of Indonesia which has the largest, nor India, Pakistan, Bangladesh - all three countries with about 10% of the Muslim population each.
I notice you mentioned the United Kingdom which has a large community of Bangladeshi, Indian and Pakistani, proving that a multicultural country does and can work, statistically living in the Greater London area as of the latest census.
I can claim 98% of the UK is white and that wouldn't be true yet atrl would believe it.
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The government of Indonesia ban same-sex emoticons on one of the most popular chat apps. If the government had power over emoticon on Apple/Android phones I bet they will ban it too.
And oh, only the Protestant Church Union in Indonesia acknowledges and embraces LGBT, while the government, Catholic Church and Islamic Union don't
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In the OP, "further down that list" just means lower percentage of Muslim population (between 99.9% to about 70%), nothing about the degree of discrimination of women/LGBT rights. |
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Like why is it that hard for people to comprehend basic statements. 
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India is a Hindu-majority country, and laws there aren't passed by first referencing the Quran. LGBT members aren't killed or imprisoned there. Punishment by stoning and other barbaric practices outlined in the Quran aren't practiced in India.
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Not all Muslims read the Qur'an so that's why. Why such a select few individuals keep referencing verses is beyond me. They're reading it more than the Muslim community themselves 
The west has never been like this, we're progressing all the time.. it was only in the last decade or so that we changed our laws to accommodate to equal rights. The nerve that people will question and belittle much less prosperous countries for their way of life is hilarious.
For some people in this world, the hope of God is all they have and have ever known whilst we shower ourselves with litres of water and gain several pounds in stuffing our faces with luxurious food. I swear some people are so narrow-minded and inward looking. We're to educate the masses whilst respecting their beliefs, and hope they join our societies, not spread just as much hateful messages as everyone else and wish death upon them (which I have witnessed on this forum many times.)
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It's also remarkable how all the countries in that top 7 bel]ng to the third world. I think that relying too much on religion has held these countries from progress. All the major religions, not just Islam, are too outdated to be taken literally in modern times and people should understand this.
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Originally posted by Communion
Eastern Europe especially, even majority-Christian nations, has a homophobia epidemic within the medical world. I'm sorry if you only want to believe Muslims can be homophobic, but when nations within the EU have high as half their doctors teaching homosexuality as a disease, there's an issue that needs to be discussed.
If people want to pull that "x is more progressive than y," than they have no right to be mad when people also point out that "z is more progressive than x".
I live in one of the most progressive states on LGBT rights in America and I can only hope my LGBT brothers and sisters can flee from the religious nightmares in Europe and live as themselves.
I as a gay person owe nothing to Israel's homonationalism and pinkwashing it uses to try and seem like a human rights champion while it continues to blow up children. And considering my tax dollars as an American go help pay for those weapons Israel uses to commit genocide, I'll freely air my complaints. They're just another religious war machine. |
You're acting like Hungary is hell for LGBT people when the mentality is changing rapidly and it's becoming progressively more accepted. Places like Latvia, Romania and Bulgaria are backward on the topic but they're also the poorest countries in the union. They'll catch up in a few years hopefully.
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They aren't practiced in most muslim countries either |
I never said they were? Regardless, most Muslim countries follow Islamic law to determine the best punishment for a crime.
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Originally posted by J a y
Not all Muslims read the Qur'an so that's why. Why such a select few individuals keep referencing verses is beyond me. They're reading it more than the Muslim community themselves
The west has never been like this, we're progressing all the time.. it was only in the last decade or so that we changed our laws to accommodate to equal rights. The nerve that people will question and belittle much less prosperous countries for their way of life is hilarious.
For some people in this world, the hope of God is all they have and have ever known whilst we shower ourselves with litres of water and gain several pounds in stuffing our faces with luxurious food. I swear some people are so narrow-minded and inward looking. We're to educate the masses whilst respecting their beliefs, and hope they join our societies, not spread just as much hateful messages as everyone else and wish death upon them (which I have witnessed on this forum many times.) |
No one is talking about regular Muslims reading the Quran. I literally said that India doesn't establish laws based on what the Quran says, because it is not a Muslim-majority country; therefore, it doesn't matter that ten percent of Muslims in the world come from India. Most, if not all, Muslim-majority countries will pass laws that reference the Quran.
No gay person was thrown in jail in the last few decades for being gay in the West. The other parts of your post are irrelevant to what I posted.
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Originally posted by J a y
The west has never been like this, we're progressing all the time.. it was only in the last decade or so that we changed our laws to accommodate to equal rights. The nerve that people will question and belittle much less prosperous countries for their way of life is hilarious.
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Exactly. And then they turn it into an US vs Them narrative when the people they align with still have a long way to go before completely accepting them. It's strange.
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Originally posted by KillingYourCareer
It's also remarkable how all the countries in that top 7 belong to the third world. I think that relying too much on religion has held these countries from progress. All the major religions, not just Islam, are too outdated to be taken literally in modern times and people should understand this.
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Providing statistics on the in-equality of muslim countries / religious law states and shining a 'bad light' on them? Islamophobic!
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Originally posted by Salacious
I never said they were? Regardless, most Muslim countries follow Islamic law to determine the best punishment for a crime.
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Most Muslim countries don't have Islamic criminal law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appl...law_by_country and most Muslims don't believe in stoning women and cutting thieves hands off
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Originally posted by wolfaire
The government of Indonesia ban same-sex emoticons on one of the most popular chat apps. If the government had power over emoticon on Apple/Android phones I bet they will ban it too.
And oh, only the Protestant Church Union in Indonesia acknowledges and embraces LGBT, while the government, Catholic Church and Islamic Union don't |
The Church of England doesn't accept same-sex marriages either. Where's the outrage?
It's blatant. The same people targeting the same group of people, of the same religion, nationality or country of origin.
Every time I am on this forum in the company of others, they're reading hateful messages about women, black people or Muslims. This is a community of gay people. Would I be surprised if they too spoke hatred towards gays with a forum largely populated by them acting in this manner? I wouldn't expect it though because they're educated and you too, atrl, can visit your local Muslim community and actually learn what and who the **** you're talking about because this blatant hatred towards a group of people who many of you have openly admitted to have never met, is not a good look. Not at all.
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The apologists in the thread just need to accept that the Islamic world is dreadful on the issue of homosexuality, why even argue?  Africa too.
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Originally posted by KillingYourCareer
You're acting like Hungary is hell for LGBT people when the mentality is changing rapidly and it's becoming progressively more accepted. Places like Latvia, Romania and Bulgaria are backward on the topic but they're also the poorest countries in the union. They'll catch up in a few years hopefully.
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I'm sorry if you can't understand why a majority in a professional field seeing someone's sexuality as a disease is horrible or backwards. Maybe European attitudes just haven't progressed to where Americans are and that's why we disagree.
You still also ignored my other points, like Sweden's horrible racism problem. It's odd that so many of the countries deemed progressive are so homogenized. I'd much rather take the bumpy road America faces in its journey to progressiveness rooted in multiculturalism than living in homogenized countries that, despite farces about human rights, are still terribly racist and xenophobic.
The UK just voted by public vote to destroy its own economy out of a fear of immigrants. I guess all accepting attitudes towards women & LGBT folks are probably only reserved for those ethnically British and "meant to be in this country" as those racists in England say. It's scary how much prejudice ATRL will ignore because it's decided Islam is the problem it has to tackle.
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I actually referenced that link when I posted. Most of those countries follow Islamic law, and courts have the rights to order punishments detailed in the Quran if they deem it necessary. That is absolutely inhumane.
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Originally posted by J a y
The Church of England doesn't accept same-sex marriages either. Where's the outrage?
It's blatant. The same people targeting the same group of people, of the same religion, nationality or country of origin.
Every time I am on this forum in the company of others, they're reading hateful messages about women, black people or Muslims. This is a community of gay people. Would I be surprised if they too spoke hatred towards gays with a forum largely populated by them acting in this manner? I wouldn't expect it though because they're educated and you too, atrl, can visit your local Muslim community and actually learn what and who the **** you're talking about because this blatant hatred towards a group of people who many of you have openly admitted to have never met, is not a good look. Not at all.
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Women and black people aren't ideologies; they don't discriminate against LGBT people, they don't discriminate against an entire gender, etc. I actually currently live in a country that's 96% Muslim. I know what I'm talking about and I witness this discrimination every single day. Reporting facts and statistics does not equate to hatred, and your sensitivity towards this issue (as well as people's sexualities, which is entirely irrelevant of you to bring up here) will not turn anyone away from stating the truth.
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Originally posted by J a y
The Church of England doesn't accept same-sex marriages either. Where's the outrage?
It's blatant. The same people targeting the same group of people, of the same religion, nationality or country of origin.
Every time I am on this forum in the company of others, they're reading hateful messages about women, black people or Muslims. This is a community of gay people. Would I be surprised if they too spoke hatred towards gays with a forum largely populated by them acting in this manner? I wouldn't expect it though because they're educated and you too, atrl, can visit your local Muslim community and actually learn what and who the **** you're talking about because this blatant hatred towards a group of people who many of you have openly admitted to have never met, is not a good look. Not at all.
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I think people wouldn't mind nearly as much if the equivalent of the Chuch of England in Islam was still homophobic but didn't impact the laws of the countries with muslim-majority populations.
Your defense is honestly a bit dumb since the first people who suffer from this overall backwardness are the muslim minorities who live in muslim countries themselves. Defending those minorities is defending muslims, just not those, who are more numerous than you seem to think, who think gay people shouldn't be tolerated.
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Islam is oppressive and dangerous, it's a fact.
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And how many of those are third world countries? You're reaching, but slay with the hit thread I guess.
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yeah saudi is such a third world country right? and kuwait?
stop defending islam, the pattern is so ficking obvious 
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