Discussion: Has Taylor surpassed Britney in US? - Page 4

Coklek92

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Originally posted by Honeyßéy

Britney drags Taylor when it comes to IMPACT & Influence & that alone, Taylor just can't compete.

Impact and influence can be made up by fans but sales and awards didn't lie

Skywalker

Obviously.. who hasn't She surpassed other than Madonna and Barbra Streisand?

Evolution

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Originally posted by Materialboy215

Touring & single sales wasn't half of what they was during Britney's prime!

Just like album sales yet you guys have no problem CLINGING to Oops and BOMT ancient sales

simmnfierzig

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Originally posted by geddymonster

So you're arguing that Taylor Swift, with her ONE pop era and dispersed pop singles, has had more impact on pop music than BRITNEY SPEARS?

Speak Now and Red are pop albums so lot more than "dispersed singles"

But yes

For 2 reasons: 1.) Taylor's impact is heavily underrated and 2.) Impact is such a vague concept with absolutely no solid ground to argue on so I can say whatever the hell I want to say.

Ties

I think touring is being overlooked here. What's Britney's highest NA gross?

♚ PRiNCE HiGH ♚

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Originally posted by iHype.

Billboard says so.

In addition to the albums and singles department Taylor also wins in the acclaim, awards, and touring department.

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Originally posted by Pop

A long time ago.

Britney's peak was 1999-2001, while Taylor keeps outpeaking herself 10 years into her career.

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EASILY.

geddymonster

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Originally posted by Evolution

Britney Spears was a teen fad who managed to sell a chunk of albums between 1998-2001 because of Max Martin, countless producers and marketing. She didn't even write ONE song on her best selling albums.

Taylor is an acclaimed and respected musician who has written her entire catalogue. She has had much more longevity and is re-peaking every era, Britney has been on a constant decline ever since she started.

The BackStreet Boys, Nsync, The Spice Girls and many other teen pop fads were selling 30-20 millions at those times, it had nothing to do with Britney, it was that bubblegum pop was the thing and people used to buy albums.

No need to finish reading after the first lie. Please see "Dear Diary."

Make sure you have your facts together before trying to drag.

iC0NIC

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Originally posted by The Countess

Obviously.. who hasn't She surpassed other than Madonna and Barbra Streisand?

Mariah (and maybe Celine albums-wise) are probably still ahead of her. She'll surpass all of them 'cept Barbra by T6 tho

Blues

Yes. She has 5 huge albums.

She also has the most successful US solo tour of all time.

Kiel D-01

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Originally posted by Materialboy215

Touring & single sales wasn't half of what they was during Britney's prime!

But you guys didn't have a problem using brit's album receipts when album sales isn't half of what it is right now

Ash12345

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Originally posted by Eternium

110M x $1.29 = $141.90 M

$40.5M x $10 = $405M

And I'm inflating the price of single sales for Taylor, too, and apparently the number that she's sold.

I was told she hit 100M at the beginning of 1989

Then Taylor is not nearly as close as I thought she was, commercially. And she's nowhere near her in terms of celebrity, impact or influence. Guess that answers the thread

If we're comparing earnings Taylor wins by far. Check Forbes.
If we're comparing albums or singles, Taylor dominates according to BB all time charts.
If we're comparing tours Taylor dominates according to pollstar and billboard
If we're comparing awards, because the Grammys and MC show Taylor wins

I honestly don't get why this is a question. Once you take into account sales decline Taylor dominates. And even without it she still wins with her massive tours.

santos

yes, I'm a Britney stan but it's clear

Eternium

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Originally posted by Kiel D-01

Don't get me wrong, I am a Brit Stan but if you're going to compare them two head on with receipts you should do it in a fairly manner and adjust Taylor's sales according to inflation. Brit's albums sales mostly came from 1999-2001 which was the peak of album sales. Taylor swift still wins.

Using album equivalents IS adjusting for inflation. ATRL does not understand this concept.

Multiplying by an arbitrary number based on assumption due to market decline is not mathematically sound because it ignores the change in forms of consumption. You could argue it was sound mathematically ONLY if we didn't have other factors of music consumption to compare it to.

1 streaming-equivalent album (SEA) = 1,500 streams
1 track-equivalent album (TEA) = 10 digital tracks sold

It's endorsed by IFPI, Billboard, Nielsen Soundscan, Official Charts Company, etc. It's time to accept it, ATRL

Materialboy215

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Originally posted by geddymonster

So you're arguing that Taylor Swift, with her ONE pop era and dispersed pop singles, has had more impact on pop music than BRITNEY SPEARS?

Sis EXACTLY!!!

XStaticProcess

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Originally posted by The Countess

Obviously.. who hasn't She surpassed other than Madonna and Barbra Streisand?

Mariah and Whitney.

Bey_Rihstan

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Originally posted by Kiel D-01

But you guys didn't have a problem using brit's album receipts when album sales isn't half of what it is right now

n touché

geddymonster

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Originally posted by simmnfierzig

Speak Now and Red are pop albums so lot more than "dispersed singles"

But yes

For 2 reasons: 1.) Taylor's impact is heavily underrated and 2.) Impact is such a vague concept with absolutely no solid ground to argue on so I can say whatever the hell I want to say.

Taylor literally said in the Grammy interview that RED was labeled as a country album. And you can say what you want, but that doesn't make it fact.

simmnfierzig

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Originally posted by Eternium

I was told she hit 100M at the beginning of 1989

Then Taylor is not nearly as close as I thought she was, commercially. And she's nowhere near her in terms of celebrity, impact or influence. Guess that answers the thread

I have an excel sheet with her 30 best selling singles. Those are at ~70M at the moment. Some numbers are a bit outdated and she sells a ton of album cuts too, but yeah she's not at 110M.

Ash12345

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Originally posted by The Countess

Obviously.. who hasn't She surpassed other than Madonna and Barbra Streisand?

Mariah.
She's #8 according to billboard haha

iC0NIC

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Originally posted by Materialboy215

Touring & single sales wasn't half of what they was today during Britney's prime!

Yeah, but her attendance numbers and single chart runs are way better anyway. I mean, Taylor has sold out more stadiums in the US than any other female artist (including Madonna)