You literally have no clue what you're talking about The things that make Beyonce a great vocalist are entirely factual, actually -- it's the knocks against her ("but emotion!!! soul!!!") that are "opinion". Since you clearly have an elementary grasp of what constitutes a great vocalist, in pop music at the very least, I'll break this down into bullet points so you might understand.
* Vocal Range is fact - Beyonce's which is 3.6 octaves from Bb2-Eb6 is factual, and wider than any contemporary pop singers other than Ariana (4) or Christina (4). By comparison, it's also wider than the ranges of Whitney Houston, Barbra Streisand, and Celine Dion, whom are all regarded as among the best vocalists in pop music history.
* True power, ie: Resonance is fact - No female vocalist in pop music today resonates as well as Beyonce. It's why she, with a lyric mezzo voice was able to be heard singing an F5 over Jennifer Hudson, whose voice is closer to dramatic side of the soprano range at 1:08:
And why she can be heard clearly throughout her entire register, even as low as C3:
* Technique is fact - I could go on about supposedly "great" singers in your list, and mentioned in this thread, who are constantly flat, sharp, straining and utilizing otherwise improper techniques, but based on your comments it seems that would be wasted on you. Youtube user BZBlaner does a better job of demonstrating the variety of techniques Beyonce utilizes which place her above this generation of mediocre opposition:
In addition to having a limited grasp of vocal pedagogy, your reading comprehension also leaves much to be desired.
1) I never brought up her ability to do any of those stunts bolded, if anything I pointed out that discussion of them has no place in discussion of vocals. It appears we have something to agree on
2) I never said she was on par with Whitney, nor Aretha. Clearly my sentence "they do the same thing, but BETTER (being all-round vocalists)" implies that they are ABOVE her. If they are above her, then she isn't "on par" with them. The present day singers you listed are either incredibly one-dimensional and thus, not complete vocalists like Beyonce is, or are simply not even good vocalists at all (Kelly Rowland? Seriously? )
3) My "stan glasses" were never on, I discuss empirical facts only. And the only artists I even "stan" for are opera singers who blow every one of the singers discussed in this thread to smithereens
You literally have no clue what you're talking about The things that make Beyonce a great vocalist are entirely factual, actually -- it's the knocks against her ("but emotion!!! soul!!!") that are "opinion". Since you clearly have an elementary grasp of what constitutes a great vocalist, in pop music at the very least, I'll break this down into bullet points so you might understand.
* Vocal Range is fact - Beyonce's which is 3.6 octaves from Bb2-Eb6 is factual, and wider than any contemporary pop singers other than Ariana (4) or Christina (4). By comparison, it's also wider than the ranges of Whitney Houston, Barbra Streisand, and Celine Dion, whom are all regarded as among the best vocalists in pop music history.
* True power, ie: Resonance is fact - No female vocalist in pop music today resonates as well as Beyonce. It's why she, with a lyric mezzo voice was able to be heard singing an F5 over Jennifer Hudson, whose voice is closer to dramatic side of the soprano range at 1:08:
And why she can be heard clearly throughout her entire register, even as low as C3:
* Technique is fact - I could go on about supposedly "great" singers in your list, and mentioned in this thread, who are constantly flat, sharp, straining and utilizing otherwise improper techniques, but based on your comments it seems that would be wasted on you. Youtube user BZBlaner does a better job of demonstrating the variety of techniques Beyonce utilizes which place her above this generation of mediocre opposition:
In addition to having a limited grasp of vocal pedagogy, your reading comprehension also leaves much to be desired.
1) I never brought up her ability to do any of those stunts bolded, if anything I pointed out that discussion of them has no place in discussion of vocals. It appears we have something to agree on
2) I never said she was on par with Whitney, nor Aretha. Clearly my sentence "they do the same thing, but BETTER (being all-round vocalists)" implies that they are ABOVE her. If they are above her, then she isn't "on par" with them. The present day singers you listed are either incredibly one-dimensional and thus, not complete vocalists like Beyonce is, or are simply not even good vocalists at all (Kelly Rowland? Seriously? )
3) My "stan glasses" were never on, I discuss empirical facts only. And the only artists I even "stan" for are opera singers who blow every one of the singers discussed in this thread to smithereens
I been on atrl for many years and this was one of the best drags
Let me make this simplistic for you. Obviously you just got out of class and want to seem knowledgeable. Cute. It may even impress minds of lesser mental capacity hence the cosign but Boo, until you provide me with emprical data which can be numerically debated based on said data--all that dribble you typed remains ONLY your reductive OPINION. To break this down even further for you, show me data where her vocal abilities have been documented (measured) TOP every "said" female in the game right now. Show me where her acrobatic technique is superior and that does not mean Youtube videos, dear. At that point, we can then debate FACTS. Let me explain why your rant is just a little ignorant, dare I say reductive at best. You go on this insulting rant trying to disprove what I said by using an extended vocabulary to hurl insults which only shows how limited your capacity for comprehension and intelligent debate is. Arguing opinions is completely useless and utterly a waste of time because neither can be proven as fact. My opinion remains the same. Post another Youtube, dear. Good-bye.
But you do realize that if you're asking someone to provide you with empirical data, then you must be accountable for the same, right? Where is the data that negates anything that was claimed? It doesn't exist, and this is why we are all here to give our opinions, and explain as best we can with examples to prove our points, which is exactly what Alejandrawrrr did, and did the best in this thread yet. If you so earnestly think that opinions are a waste of time, why are you commenting, and why are you sharing your opinion?
But you do realize that if you're asking someone to provide you with empirical data, then you must be accountable for the same, right? Where is the data that negates anything that was claimed? It doesn't exist, and this is why we are all here to give our opinions, and explain as best we can with examples to prove our points, which is exactly what Alejandrawrrr did, and did the best in this thread yet. If you so earnestly think that opinions are a waste of time, why are you commenting, and why are you sharing your opinion?
My opinion was not insulting his intelligence when I stated my opinion. If you can't see the difference, I'm done. He or she's mad because of my opinion. I only insulted when it tried me.
My opinion was not insulting his intelligence when I stated my opinion. If you can't see the difference, I'm done. He or she's mad because of my opinion. I only insulted when it tried me.
So when someone clearly more knowledgeable than you points out objective evidence ("information based on facts that can be proved through analysis, measurement, observation, and other such means of research"), that insults your intelligence? If so, honey, college probably isnʻt your thing because youʻre going to be insulted A LOT.
My opinion was not insulting his intelligence when I stated my opinion. If you can't see the difference, I'm done. He or she's mad because of my opinion. I only insulted when it tried me.
Well whatever pushed you to insult back, you still took it a step further and insulted anyone who agreed with his post, calling them "minds of lesser mental capacity".
The things that make Beyonce a great vocalist are entirely factual, actually -- it's the knocks against her ("but emotion!!! soul!!!") that are "opinion". Since you clearly have an elementary grasp of what constitutes a great vocalist, in pop music at the very least, I'll break this down into bullet points so you might understand.
do it stand behind your post and show us your know on vocals.
