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News: Bernie Sanders: 1 million contributions, draws 25k to Boston
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He's going to be her biggest threat but she's going to get the dem nom. Bookmark me
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He doesn't seem Presidential at all so no.
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I hope he snatches everyone and everything. Grandpa Bernie 2k16!
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I'm 21, I usually don't pay any attention to presidential elections because I think most of the time the people running are full of ****. And I have to say that Bernie Sanders is the most sincere and has a great plan for this country. Some of you guys complaining he's too progressive need to realize just because he has that mindset doesn't mean every single thing he plans will come to affect, it's going to be challeng for him of course. But he has the right concepts. Hillary in the other hand I don't trust at all!! She's evil and its all about her damn wallet, she supports GMO food and a lot other things she's been exposed. To me she's another Obama trying to win for the sake of being the first female president which of course I have a bad feeling she will win based of that. But I'm hoping because of Obama failure, people will open there eyes.
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Originally posted by B94
I'm 21, I usually don't pay any attention to presidential elections because I think most of the time the people running are full of ****. And I have to say that Bernie Sanders is the most sincere and has a great plan for this country. Some of you guys complaining he's too progressive need to realize just because he has that mindset doesn't mean every single thing he plans will come to affect, it's going to be challeng for him of course. But he has the right concepts. Hillary in the other hand I don't trust at all!! She's evil and its all about her damn wallet, she supports GMO food and a lot other things she's been exposed. To me she's another Obama trying to win for the sake of being the first female president which of course I have a bad feeling she will win based of that. But I'm hoping because of Obama failure, people will open there eyes.
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Obama failed? Health Care, Economic output is more than double what it was when Obama came into office, gays have marriage rights and "more" equal protection than ever. I was with you until the last few sentences. I would argue that Obama has been far from a failure. Quite the opposite actually.
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Originally posted by Team_Avatar
This tbh.
I think Bernie is the most qualified candidate, but there's no chance he's winning if he wins the nomination. The US has come a long way, and each generation is becoming more and more progressive as the Republicans struggle to court the millenial generation, but America has not come far enough to elect an openly socialist to president whose ideal economic system is Scandinavia.
I think the best outcome is that Bernie pushes Hillary more left and she wins the nomination. She's the strongest democratic contender I think although I hope Bernie can prove me wrong and go all the way.
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All Bernie has to do is remind the American people that they, too, are largely socialist. The word has been poisoned and highly propagandized, but this is what debates are for, so he can actually defend his stances rather than just crowning a Queen (Clinton) or King (Bush) based on name recognition.
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Originally posted by Citrus
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Repubs make a half assed connection between his self-described socialism and communism and it'll be done. People are stupid.
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Repugs call everything slightly left/centrist"socialist", they even called Obama a socialist. This is what debates are for.
Also, not a fan of this "pushing to the left" talk. We should be happy that someone is willing to say anything to get our vote, which they may or may not honor once they've gotten into office? The entire concept is sleazy, I much prefer someone who generally sticks to their guns, than people who claim to be against gay marriage in interviews, then "champion" it after it becomes a popular stance already (centrist dems like Hillary and Obama).
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Originally posted by Adonis
Obama failed? Health Care, Economic output is more than double what it was when Obama came into office, gays have marriage rights and "more" equal protection than ever. I was with you until the last few sentences. I would argue that Obama has been far from a failure. Quite the opposite actually.
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Yes, I agree! And now the Iran nuclear deal + criminal justice system reform.. He's done good.
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Originally posted by Alejandrawrrr
All Bernie has to do is remind the American people that they, too, are largely socialist. The word has been poisoned and highly propagandized, but this is what debates are for, so he can actually defend his stances rather than just crowning a Queen (Clinton) or King (Bush) based on name recognition.
Repugs call everything slightly left/centrist"socialist", they even called Obama a socialist. This is what debates are for.
Also, not a fan of this "pushing to the left" talk. We should be happy that someone is willing to say anything to get our vote, which they may or may not honor once they've gotten into office? The entire concept is sleazy, I much prefer someone who generally sticks to their guns, than people who claim to be against gay marriage in interviews, then "champion" it after it becomes a popular stance already (centrist dems like Hillary and Obama).
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True. I find it hilarious how progressie democrats like Hilary/Obama want to call out Conservatives for not accepting gay marriage when less than five years ago, Hilary herself was all: "Let states decide!!!".
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Originally posted by Adonis
Obama failed? Health Care, Economic output is more than double what it was when Obama came into office, gays have marriage rights and "more" equal protection than ever. I was with you until the last few sentences. I would argue that Obama has been far from a failure. Quite the opposite actually.
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No economy has taken so long to recover from a recession under a president, Obamacare is going to fail, deductibles are so high for some people it's not even worth having the insurance unless they get cancer or need catastrophic coverage, but they will still be stuck with with paying 6-8k. Premiums are sky rocketing as much as 20-50% for some people. Gay marriage would have happened without him. The stock market was the fed reserve enacting QE 1 2 3 pumping 85 billion in to the market every month, nothing Obama could do about that, out of his control.
Now he has potentially given Iran the bomb with this childish make a deal at any cost. Let's hope congress is strong enough to block it but if they are not Israel is going stop Iran. Let's see what's in the deal but I am guessing it's not good for us and it will give them near instant break out time once the deal is over. The whole Middle East is practically in flames, Russia is on the move and China is expanding due to his failed FP.
More people are not working than anytime since the 70's black unemployment is at an all time high and the economy contracted last quarter. Good luck finding a job if you are a 18 looking for entry level.
Yes Obama as done wonderfully. Probably the worst president we have ever had.
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I think Bernie has a better chance than some people realize. Everyone is talking about him on social media and now he is starting to get actual media coverage. I knew so many people who were #TeamHillary simply because they wanted a female president and she seemed like the best Democratic candidate, but after they did a few minutes of research on Bernie, they joined his side and have been spreading the word.
Hillary is going to have a difficult time getting the young democratic vote now that gay marriage has been legalized nationwide, that was going to be her big promise to get votes.
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Originally posted by Scene.
I think Bernie has a better chance than some people realize. Everyone is talking about him on social media and now he is starting to get actual media coverage. I knew so many people who were #TeamHillary simply because they wanted a female president and she seemed like the best Democratic candidate, but after they did a few minutes of research on Bernie, they joined his side and have been spreading the word.
Hillary is going to have a difficult time getting the young democratic vote now that gay marriage has been legalized nationwide, that was going to be her big promise to get votes.
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I think Bernie is too far left to win from Hilary. He has popular ideas yes.. But he won't have the backing in the Senate or the House to really change anything.
I have a feeling someone else will decide to run now that Hilary seems beatable and no longer the inevitable nominee.
Either way, I can't see the Democrats winning again. The (conservative) right is too motivated. They want to get rid of Obamacare, Gay Marriage etc. Poor souls.
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Originally posted by Chucko
No economy has taken so long to recover from a recession under a president, Obamacare is going to fail, deductibles are so high for some people it's not even worth having the insurance unless they get cancer or need catastrophic coverage, but they will still be stuck with with paying 6-8k. Premiums are sky rocketing as much as 20-50% for some people. Gay marriage would have happened without him. The stock market was the fed reserve enacting QE 1 2 3 pumping 85 billion in to the market every month, nothing Obama could do about that, out of his control.
Now he has potentially given Iran the bomb with this childish make a deal at any cost. Let's hope congress is strong enough to block it but if they are not Israel is going stop Iran. Let's see what's in the deal but I am guessing it's not good for us and it will give them near instant break out time once the deal is over. The whole Middle East is practically in flames, Russia is on the move and China is expanding due to his failed FP.
More people are not working than anytime since the 70's black unemployment is at an all time high and the economy contracted last quarter. Good luck finding a job if you are a 18 looking for entry level.
Yes Obama as done wonderfully. Probably the worst president we have ever had.
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1. Youre predicting doom and gloom for healthcare but the bottom line is cost was going up 40% yoy for everyone. Now its only going up for a select few...mostly those who were irresponsible and under insured to begin with.
2. Obama propsed a stimulus and bailed out the auto industry and stabelized the banking system which means we were able to recover at all. The fed could not do that with monetary policy alone.
3. Obama was the first sitting president to voice support for gay rights and gay marriage. That moved the needle just enough for the scotus to feel comfortable doing what it did. It also pushed the support for gay marriage to 60%. The scotus doesnt act in a vaccuum and it often had to overturn itself to arrive at the correct conclusion.
4. Israel should do their own dirty work as it relates to trying to contain the other countries around it militarily. Its not our problem. Sorry. Iran probably could use some protection against war happy Israeli and US politicians. Obama is doing what he can to ensure Iran doesnt get a nuclear bomb but at the end of the day he and Israel dont have control over that. Anyone who thinks they do is lying. Iran has to not want nukes on their own.
5. Im black my salary is triple what it was in 2008. I guess Im in the select few who are able to survive. You cant cut your way to economic growth as Greece and Europe are now learning. Maybe Bernie can expand on the progress that Obama has made.
Like you said of Bernie, Obama can try to get what he wants like higher taxes on the wealthy and a more social safety nets and a wider spread on weath distribution but Obama didnt get everything he wanted.
So hold the same low standard you have for the white liberal that you do for black one.
You people get on my nerves always trying to hold minorities and women to higher standards than you would an average white male.
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I can't wait for him to be the King of America
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Originally posted by Chucko
Probably the worst president we have ever had.
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the republicans their dramatics
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Originally posted by Adonis
Like you said of Bernie, Obama can try to get what he wants like higher taxes on the wealthy and a more social safety nets and a wider spread on weath distribution but Obama didnt get everything he wanted.
So hold the same low standard you have for the black liberal that you do for white one.
You people get on my nerves always trying to hold minorities and women to higher standards than you would an average white male.
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Thanks for pointing out you are black, I don't care. It's a good thing your 3x pay increase speaks for all of the black Americans struggling at 10% and black youth 51% unemployment; oh wait it doesn't, but as long as you are doing fine screw the rest of them right?
I am not going to hold back my opinion of Obama because he happens to be a minority doing a terrible job. We could deep dive in to the economic numbers which:
1. Will be very boring and time consuming.
2. Most people here won't understand and don't want to hear it.
3. You will just make an excuse for Obama.
Believe me when I say I have the same low standard for every Liberal regardless of race or gender they have no concept of fiscal responsibility. Same goes for some Republicans.
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America really needs someone liberal and who looks to the future!
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Originally posted by Chucko
Thanks for pointing out you are black, I don't care. It's a good thing your 3x pay increase speaks for all of the black Americans struggling at 10% and black youth 51% unemployment; oh wait it doesn't, but as long as you are doing fine screw the rest of them right?
I am not going to hold back my opinion of Obama because he happens to be a minority doing a terrible job. We could deep dive in to the economic numbers which:
1. Will be very boring and time consuming.
2. Most people here won't understand and don't want to hear it.
3. You will just make an excuse for Obama.
Believe me when I say I have the same low standard for every Liberal regardless of race or gender they have no concept of fiscal responsibility. Same goes for some Republicans.
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You stated that Obama became President simply because he was a minority when he ran a near flawless campaign and had great ideas and was a great communicator. And you chaulk up Obama's successes and success that couldnt have happened without his involvement to something other than him then say anyone who disagrees with you supports Obama on everything.
Secondly you lower the bar on the white liberal guy while trashing the woman and black guy. Then you didnt even begin to address 4/5 of my points at any capacity and summed it up as...everyone else wont understand and is uninterested in politics in this politics thread.
Please do dive into the economic numbers because right now they are just baseless claims made by you. Im trained in economics and finance. Lets please review those numbers. Obama has had the longest uninterrupted stretch of private sector job growth since Clinton. Minorites in particular black youth have always had significantly higher unemployment on average. Unemployment rate is currently at 5.4% well below the 6% that is considered full employment by reputable economists.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7712682.html
Now if you want to talk unemplument plus discouraged workers and the like that is a different metric than unemployment alone. Every president has discouraged workers etc which push up unemployment numbers by themselves. When Obama took office that rate was around 22% and now its around 10%. This is in the face of population growth and cuts to necessary government jobs across the board by republicans in congress and in state legislatures across the boad etc...
I like Bernie but your reasoning is flawed. There is nothing wrong with Hilary being willing to cave to the will of the people over what she may believe herself. Afterall as president she would be representing America.
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Originally posted by Adonis
Please you stated that he got in simply because he was a minority when he ran a near flawless campaign. And you chaulk up his successes to something other than him then say anyone who disagrees with you supports Obama on everything. Secondly you lower the bar on the white guy while trashing the woman. Please dive into the economic numbers because right now they are just baseless claims made by you. Obama has had the longest uninterrupted stretch of private sector job growth since Clinton.
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I knew someone in Kansas that could give a flawless interview but didn't know how to program he would float from job to job. That is what I think about your flawless campaign.
I think you are confusing me for someone else I never said Obama got in because he was a minority. The last time I think I mentioned anything about the last election was the lack of Conservative support Romney had and if the base turned out Obama would have lost.
What white guy am I lowering the bar on? Hillary is terrible look at that interview she gave on Monday.
The average number of jobs created in this period is significantly lower than in either the Clinton or Reagan periods. With the except of a blip due to a blizzard that cost 2000 jobs one month, Clinton would have 71 months and Reagan had a single month decline otherwise he would have 85 so uninterrupted stretch means little to me if the jobs added are few.
Here’s a chart that shows the decline in public-sector jobs under Obama, compared with other presidents. Obama is the only recent president under whom cumulative public-sector job creation is negative.
His policy's have slowed the recovery. The economy was going to come back all he had to do was step out of the way. Adding 200,000-250,000 jobs a month barely keeps up with the population growth; those entering the job market for the first time. Those numbers would not be bad if we didn't have 92 million people out of the workforce and the real unemployment rate was 5%.
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Originally posted by Beatfreak
Bernie is gaining on Hillary, and guess what, if everyone saying "he doesn't have a shot" or "he'll push Hillary left" would just drop that mindset and believe in the power of the vote, we absolutely can get him elected so get on board!
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The power of the vote?
Not with voter suppression, gerrymandering and the electoral college.
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I don't think he is. Over half of Americans said that they would not vote for a socialist, and that's exactly what Sanders is.
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