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Discussion: 2012 Republican Presidential Candidates
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I can't believe we are having a political debate on ATRL. I didn't read your conversations but is it good at least? 
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
We were in debt before Jimmy Carter, and Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton's presidencies were the only ones in which the United States debt burden DIDN'T increase, so I don't know why you're trying to blame him.  |
Are you a fool?
Jimmy Carter is one of the worst president's we have ever had.
and Bill Clinton is partly responsible for the housing collapse with his plan that Every American Should Own a Home, which is true IF THEY CAN AFFORD IT. He and congress allowed banks to take risky loans that Americans couldn't afford in the long run.
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
It also depends on who he running against. They easily put a bunch of commercials hating on whoever gets the nomination.
Ron Paul: "He was against the Civil Rights Act, the department of education, the EPA, etc."
Mitt Romney: " Flip flops too much. You can't trust him. He's a multi-millionaire, who do you think he'll side with you or the very rich?"
Michelle Bachmann: "Really?"
Newt Gingerich: " Only cares about his ego. He said he's the new Ronald Reagan. Plus, he cause the government shut down in the 90s"
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I want Michele Bachmann to get it just to watch the months and months of her getting BOOKED. She'll be crying on Tumblr to Mother Monster before the end of it. 
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The Op. 
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Originally posted by itsAllen
Are you a fool?
Jimmy Carter is one of the worst president's we have ever had.
and Bill Clinton is partly responsible for the housing collapse with his plan that Every American Should Own a Home, which is true IF THEY CAN AFFORD IT. He and congress allowed banks to take risky loans that Americans couldn't afford in the long run.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...es_public_debt
Debt FELL during Jimmy Carter's presidency, and again, as you can see, we were in debt well before him. Are you a fool?
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
It also depends on who he running against. They easily put a bunch of commercials hating on whoever gets the nomination.
Ron Paul: "He was against the Civil Rights Act, the department of education, the EPA, etc."
Mitt Romney: " Flip flops too much. You can't trust him. He's a multi-millionaire, who do you think he'll side with you or the very rich?"
Michelle Bachmann: "Really?"
Newt Gingerich: " Only cares about his ego. He said he's the new Ronald Reagan. Plus, he cause the government shut down in the 90s"
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After which him and Clinton worked together, extremely well and actually did compromise and the Clinton years were the last years that we actually had Congress and the White House work together.
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
We were in debt before Jimmy Carter, and Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton's presidencies were the only ones in which the United States debt burden DIDN'T increase, so I don't know why you're trying to blame him.
By the way, you know how you reduce deficit? You INCREASE TAXES. Especially on the wealthy. Yet whenever a president tries to do that, everyone starts bitching and moaning. |
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The debt pretty much increases during Reagan's and Bush's (2nd one) presidencies. At least Reagan was smart enough to see that did something wrong, and issued the highest peace time tax increase. The first Bush rose taxes to combat the debt too. Clinton was great with handling the debt. Obama... eh... then again we are in a recession.
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and due to all his spending we started to go back up as soon as Reagan takes office, it wasn't Reagans fault.
He won 49/50 states for a reason. Jimmy Carter was a terrible president.
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
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The debt pretty much increases during Reagan's and Bush's (2nd one) presidencies. At least Reagan was smart enough to see that did something wrong, and issued the highest peace time tax increase. The first Bush rose taxes to combat the debt too. Clinton was great with handling the debt. Obama... eh... then again we are in a recession.
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He needs to stop spending and realize his failure plans don't work.
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He's controlled by the Republican media. He is still stuck on the helicopter crash in the desert
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Originally posted by itsAllen
After which him and Clinton worked together, extremely well and actually did compromise and the Clinton years were the last years that we actually had Congress and the White House work together.
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True, but the Obama's reelection committee can still make people think differently. 
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Originally posted by itsAllen
and due to all his spending we started to go back up as soon as Reagan takes office, it wasn't Reagans fault.
He won 49/50 states for a reason. Jimmy Carter was a terrible president.
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I'm not saying he wasn't, but saying "We've been in debt since Jimmy Carter" kind of proves you don't really know what you're talking about, you just know biased talking points.
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
I'm not saying he wasn't, but saying "We've been in debt since Jimmy Carter" kind of proves you don't really know what you're talking about, you just know biased talking points. |
Too much Fox News?
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
I'm not saying he wasn't, but saying "We've been in debt since Jimmy Carter" kind of proves you don't really know what you're talking about, you just know biased talking points. |
Kk lemme reword it.
We've been in debt since the beginning of the Reagan Administration, caused by Jimmy Carter.
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Too much Fox News? |
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When he first left office, Carter's presidency was viewed by most as a failure.[53][54][55] In historical rankings of US presidents, the Carter presidency has ranged from #19 to #34. Although Carter's presidency received mixed reviews from some historians, his all-around peace keeping and humanitarian efforts since he left office have led him to be renowned as one of the most successful ex-presidents in US history.[56][57]
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One of the worst presidents ever.
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
One of the worst president's ever.
And again, ItsAllen, we were in debt WAY before that. You're only making yourself look more ignorant. |
No I'm not, I'm just not going back as far as I really need too, most people under the age of 30 don't even know who Jimmy Carter his much less when we first got into debt.
Anyways I am done with you, all you do is name call at people and cannot have a civil conversation. I've done said if Obama's economics weren't so bad I would have no problem voting for him, me and you probably have similar views on many things but on economics we are different, it is that simple no name calling is needed.
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Originally posted by Qwerty
Hold on sis. What is this ****ery? Regardless of what any of these Republican candidates will tell you, the President does not control gas prices. Like the time Michele Bachmann said she would lower gas prices to $1.79/gallon.  Let me remind you that Republicans are the ones who want no regulations on big companies. The Republicans only care about the wealthy. |
Did I say that the President controlled it? I said the Democrats as a whole want an increase in taxes/gas prices.
Republicans care for every class. They want to encourage the people on Welfare to start working, which means they care for those people. When that unemployment rate decreases, the taxing amount decreases (what Republicans want to happen), which is positive for anybody that is struggling to keep their house and support their family (mainly the poor, and some of the middle class). The lowered taxes is also good for both middle class and the richer to support their family even more than now. 
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Drill baby drill, stop buying oil from the Middle East when we have plenty of oil here.
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Originally posted by itsAllen
No I'm not, I'm just not going back as far as I really need too, most people under the age of 30 don't even know who Jimmy Carter his much less when we first got into debt.
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It's also ridiculous that you place the blame for the rising deficit during Ronald Reagan's presidency entirely on Jimmy Carter's spending, and not on Ronald Reagan's own economic policies. 
And please, don't pretend you're only here for rational discussion when you start off by trying to insinuate that Barack Obama is anywhere near the political ideologies of a socialist. That demonstrates right off the bat that you really don't have any concept of socialism or Barack Obama's policies at all.
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