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Video Clip: Gay guy DRAGS Gaga for filth. (Sats Spills It Fresh)
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Originally posted by m-m-m-monster
Gaga has NEVER claimed to be the "queen of the gays" or the official spokesperson. Ever.
Did you grow up with Gaga, Kesha, or Katy? How do you know that they weren't bullied in school? And if they weren't, how is it a bad thing to write an anthem for kids that DO feel like an outcast. I've just never understood how self-acceptance anthems are a bad thing.
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I can't at people coming for Gaga when she's one of the few celebrities that actually DOES something after speaking. Yeah, she calls senators, tell people to protest, make things move, speak about it on TV, etc. She doesn't only say "Oh, I love gay people". She actually work and fight harder than most of you guys probably for our rights.
Damn, some people .. 
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Originally posted by m-m-m-monster
Gaga has NEVER claimed to be the "queen of the gays" or the official spokesperson. Ever.
Did you grow up with Gaga, Kesha, or Katy? How do you know that they weren't bullied in school? And if they weren't, how is it a bad thing to write an anthem for kids that DO feel like an outcast. I've just never understood how self-acceptance anthems are a bad thing.
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Not in those words, but the way she acts, she does.
I never said that they didn't get bullied, i belelive they did. I don't think that making a self-acceptance anthem, i just don't think it comes out genuine. Like if i make a song about racial prejudice, being a white guy who don't know about that.
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Originally posted by Mzd90
Well everyone from gagas school has said that gaga was the prepy school girl and was not weird at all. She went and got exposedddd.
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She answered that mockery In the Howard Stern interview.
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Originally posted by Gui Blackout
I don't have a problem with that. I do have a problem with Gaga self-proclaiming as the queen of gays or their spoke person like he says. And i agree that none of this artists who have songs about self-acceptance can't really sing it with open heart about that beacuse they're on the lowest place on the "bullied scale". And like i always say, i think Gaga uses the gays, intentional or not. |
A) Give me receipts on when Gaga claimed to be the queen of gays, There's a difference between being supportive and claiming to be the queen of something.
B) Give me receipts that Gaga or her loved ones (she grew up with many gay friends) HAVEN'T faced bullying in her lifetime
Come back with those receipts and maybe we'll have a talk.
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Originally posted by Mzd90
Well everyone from gagas school has said that gaga was the prepy school girl and was not weird at all. She went and got exposedddd.
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Receipts?
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Where's Vin? 
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Originally posted by b3dro
and this bitch doesnt know what he's talking about, Gaga knows damn well how hard is it being bullied, and his ass should e thankful that someone big as Gaga is trying to change something
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Change what? Cause her singing about being Born This Way in a video where there was no pride whatsoever is not going to make gay marriage legal or accepted. I know she speaks about it and I respect that, but im pretty sure the reason that conversation even came up at the parade was because there were either making it all about Gaga, or acting like she was some savior, which her fans do all the time.
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Originally posted by satellites™
Gui basically summed it up. And for the record Dephira, yes a straight person can sing about gay issues, and yes a white person can sing about self acceptance. BUT he wasn't referring to ALL, he was referring to Katy, Gaga, and Ke$ha specifically, he worded it wrong but he cleaned it up when he named songs. He basically said that the message they were sending out wasn't an honest one because they had never been through the things there were singing about.
If Hilter sang about equality would you take him seriously? Okay then! I think yall were so quick to jump down his throat for dissing Gaga and wording his message wrong that you missed his point. But obviously the audience felt the same way since they all cheered.
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That's obviously not a valid example.
So talking about Katy and Ke$ha then, their songs are solely about general self-empowerment without any specific examples of gayness (discounting the Firework video), poverty, famine or anything like that (it's even a stretch to call the Ke$ha song a self-empowerrment song cause it's actually about dancing like you're dumb dumb dumb but lemme just humor that guy for a second). Don't you think it's likely that Katy and Ke$ha went through periods of low self-esteem during their starting days as artists and now that they are famous, they can sing about that to other people who still have low self-esteem? How is that dishonest?
And if the point you're getting from this is that self-empowerment songs by white privileged artists are dishonest, why did you name the thread "Gay Guy DRAGS Gaga for filth?" 
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Originally posted by Gui Blackout
Not in those words, but the way she acts, she does.
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How so?
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Originally posted by BornThisWay
A) Give me receipts on when Gaga claimed to be the queen of gays, There's a difference between being supportive and claiming to be the queen of something.
B) Give me receipts that Gaga or her loved ones (she grew up with many gay friends) HAVEN'T faced bullying in her lifetime
Come back with those receipts and maybe we'll have a talk.
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Come back when you have any idea what we're talking about.
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Originally posted by satellites™
Gui basically summed it up. And for the record Dephira, yes a straight person can sing about gay issues, and yes a white person can sing about self acceptance. BUT he wasn't referring to ALL, he was referring to Katy, Gaga, and Ke$ha specifically, he worded it wrong but he cleaned it up when he named songs. He basically said that the message they were sending out wasn't an honest one because they had never been through the things there were singing about. Now, no one but them knows for sure if they'd been bullied, but we go on what we know. And what we do know is that all of them have had nice lives, none of them have ever complained about being gay bashed, bullied, beaten, or discriminated against.
If Hilter sang about equality would you take him seriously? Okay then! I think yall were so quick to jump down his throat for dissing Gaga and wording his message wrong that you missed his point. But obviously the audience felt the same way since they all cheered.
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For this example to apply, Gaga would have to be homophobic in her actions and then sing about gay rights later.
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I finally have an opinion on this.
I understand his point about people who haven't gone through situations singing about them...I agree. BUT I feel Gaga should be respected for being one of very few celebrities that are actually trying to help...when you have people like that producer who got mad NYC allowed gay marriage it's refreshing to know that someone is by our side regardless of who they are and what they been through.
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Originally posted by m-m-m-monster
Gaga has NEVER claimed to be the "queen of the gays" or the official spokesperson. Ever.
Did you grow up with Gaga, Kesha, or Katy? How do you know that they weren't bullied in school? And if they weren't, how is it a bad thing to write an anthem for kids that DO feel like an outcast. I've just never understood how self-acceptance anthems are a bad thing.
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I could believe this if they all hadn't come back to back. We know how pop music works, one person sees a formula and the crowd runs with it, you can't go from Tik Tok to We R Who We R and expect us to jump on the train that you're riding.
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Originally posted by satellites™
Gui basically summed it up. And for the record Dephira, yes a straight person can sing about gay issues, and yes a white person can sing about self acceptance. BUT he wasn't referring to ALL, he was referring to Katy, Gaga, and Ke$ha specifically, he worded it wrong but he cleaned it up when he named songs. He basically said that the message they were sending out wasn't an honest one because they had never been through the things there were singing about. Now, no one but them knows for sure if they'd been bullied, but we go on what we know. And what we do know is that all of them have had nice lives, none of them have ever complained about being gay bashed, bullied, beaten, or discriminated against.
If Hilter sang about equality would you take him seriously? Okay then! I think yall were so quick to jump down his throat for dissing Gaga and wording his message wrong that you missed his point. But obviously the audience felt the same way since they all cheered.
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Plenty of people sing about things that never happened to them. It's called being a voice for other people. People also sing about life experiences and clearly if they weren't bullied then they knew someone close to them who were and things might've possibly taken a turn for a worse which could be the reason they created the songs they did.
At bringing Hitler into the equation. How many people did Gaga kill again?
Like 4 or 5 people behind him cheered, the rest were paying attention to some event taking place in the background.
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Originally posted by m-m-m-monster
Receipts?
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Us monsters are waiting patiently on your receipts.
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Originally posted by Gui Blackout
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This isn't a valid retort. Give us actual facts and opinions, not a non-sequitur.
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Originally posted by Fadicuss
For this example to apply, Gaga would have to be homophobic in her actions and then sing about gay rights later.
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Dead.
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I have no idea why that bitch is moaning. Why bite the hand that feeds you?
Gaga's only trying to help. Ungrateful ****.
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Originally posted by satellites™
I could believe this if they all hadn't come back to back. We know how pop music works, one person sees a formula and the crowd runs with it, you can't go from Tik Tok to We R Who We R and expect us to jump on the train that you're riding.
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I think that this new surge in self-acceptance anthems is a bit annoying but the principle they're pushing is most certainly a good one. And let's not forget that Gaga sang the chorus to Born This Way at the VMA's before any of those other self-acceptance songs came out 
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Can we also talk about how almost the only google results for "Kelly Rowland Gay Icon" are this tumblr post and one actual mention of her as a gay icon on page 2 on www.washingtonblade.com?
And if I look for "Lady Gaga Gay Icon", the first hit is the wikipedia page for Gay Icon (in which she is mentioned) and the third one an article from Washington Post titled "Lady Gaga, Already a Gay Icon, Shows She's an Activist Too"? I appreciate that Kelly Rowland is LGBT friendly and has a relatively large gay fanbase but let's not act like she's more of a gay icon than Lady Gaga 
Oh and since Lady Gaga is way more well known than Kelly Rowland obviously she's gonna have more people against her too. I don't consider Kelly Rowland to be my gay icon or spokesperson but I don't go on the internet screaming about that cause no one would give a ****.
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