[Theus]

Originally posted by RobynYoBank

No one is saying Shania wasn't a large industry force. We're saying that 21 is the biggest female album of all time and was way more successful than Come On Over.

That's exactly what the other member was saying some posts above And yes I agree with the fact that 21 is the biggest female album of all time as well but y'all are selling CMO for short, way too short.

[idkher]

21 was bigger but COO is literally 100x better and more iconic

[Ichinaru19]

Originally posted by gagacasanova

lol someones mad

[gagacasanova]

Originally posted by Ichinaru19

lol someones mad

Let's not act like you wouldn't be either if you saw one of your faves being sold short.

[gagacasanova]

Originally posted by hooky

I only know of 1 song from Come On Over

So 21 I guess. I would think I would have heard more of Come On Over in my childhood if she really had the same level of impact.

That seems like a personal problem.

[Ichinaru19]

Originally posted by gagacasanova

Let's not act like you wouldn't be either if you saw one of your faves being sold short.

Maybe instead of telling someone to shut up you should provide a counter argument to what they were arguing? Its not like what the person brought up are lies.

[Theus]

Originally posted by Ichinaru19

Maybe instead of telling someone to shut up you should provide a counter argument to what they were arguing? Its not like what the person brought up are lies.

It was already explained the why Come On Over stayed 151 weeks on the BB200, why it doesn't matter that it peaked at #2, the whole sales thing etc

[Ichinaru19]

Originally posted by Theus

It was already explained the why Come On Over stayed 151 weeks on the BB200, why it doesn't matter that it peaked at #2, the whole sales thing etc

But was the person's post only talking about that? They provided a rather hefty list of various things comparing 21 to COO

[Theus]

Originally posted by Ichinaru19

But was the person's post only talking about that? They provided a rather hefty list of various things comparing 21 to COO

And as already I already before, many times already even before this thread was made, that yes that in fact 21 is the biggest female album of all time, but people here are acting like Come On Over was just another succesful album from the 90s with zero impact despite it being the 2nd most succesful album of a whole decade, the most of it's own genre and the 8th best selling album of all time.

[Ichinaru19]

Originally posted by Theus

And as already I already before, many times already even before this thread was made, that yes that in fact 21 is the biggest female album of all time, but people here are acting like Come On Over was just another succesful album from the 90s with zero impact despite it being the 2nd most succesful album of a whole decade, the most of it's own genre and the 8th best selling album of all time.

I don't think anyone is saying COO is just a successful album. I think what some people here are saying however is that you have to consider the environments both albums were released in, hence why some people are saying 21 is bigger overall. Also you mention COO being the 2nd most successful album in its respective decade, meanwhile Adele is #1, while also more then doubling the sales of the #2 album.

[MANUELF]

In raw number no but when compared to the enviroment yes it is

[Theus]

Originally posted by Ichinaru19

I don't think anyone is saying COO is just a successful album. I think what some people here are saying however is that you have to consider the environments both albums were released in, hence why some people are saying 21 is bigger overall. Also you mention COO being the 2nd most successful album in its respective decade, meanwhile Adele is #1, while also more then doubling the sales of the #2 album.

Girl I already know this part and I have already said that 21 is bigger. And people kinda are just look at some posts some pages ago saying that Shania was just another succesful artist from the 90s and she wasn't a force back them. It is just annoying as saying that Adele is just another Norah Jones which she clearly isn't.

[gloamingtheplain]

Originally posted by Theus

The only album that outsold Come On Over during the 90s was The Bodyguard, that's it.



Yes they were but they are not exactly that big as y'all make it seem to be. Sales peaked at 1999 (two years after Come On Over was released) the other years were not as big as it. Y'all think just because sales peaked during one year during the 90s = the whole decade was like that.;



It stayed 11 weeks on the top of the UK albums chart but ok it seems like you don't know what much about Come On Over success outside North America at all.



Just because Adele's success is far more impressive than Shania's, that doesn't make Shania status as an industry force at that time less bigger than it was. She was massive.

She WAS massive, I am a massive Shania Twain fan. But everything I'm talking about is compared to Adele. Not how successful Shania was at the time compared to other artists. How successful she was to Adele in each market.

Come on Over did amazing in the UK, I know the sales of COO. But again, I'm talking about how it rivals Adele and also her US success. The UK comes third after Aus & NZ. But outside those 3 areas, her sales were big, but nothing "incredible". 7 million in Europe, when Adele sold 10 million barely setting foot there in this sales climate?

No one is saying COO is unsuccessful. It's the best selling album by a female ever, and is #2 behind 21 in terms of "success". But that's what we are saying. Compared to Adele, Shania doesn't stack up as much.

No one is saying Come On Over was just a good seller, but we are comparing it 21 which means Shania is going to look like she comes short.

[gloamingtheplain]

Originally posted by Theus

The only album that outsold Come On Over during the 90s was The Bodyguard, that's it.



Yes they were but they are not exactly that big as y'all make it seem to be. Sales peaked at 1999 (two years after Come On Over was released) the other years were not as big as it. Y'all think just because sales peaked during one year during the 90s = the whole decade was like that.;



It stayed 11 weeks on the top of the UK albums chart but ok it seems like you don't know what much about Come On Over success outside North America at all.



Just because Adele's success is far more impressive than Shania's, that doesn't make Shania status as an industry force at that time less bigger than it was. She was massive.

Shania had amazing force. I was there to experience it.

Again, this thread is comparing Shania to Adele. Everyone knows Come On Over is the best selling female album of all time. But compared to 21, the "success" has been matched or beaten making Shania seem short.

It's all about reading things in context.

[gloamingtheplain]

Originally posted by Theus

And as already I already before, many times already even before this thread was made, that yes that in fact 21 is the biggest female album of all time, but people here are acting like Come On Over was just another succesful album from the 90s with zero impact despite it being the 2nd most succesful album of a whole decade, the most of it's own genre and the 8th best selling album of all time.

No one is saying that. At all.

It would be like saying Thriller is just a "good seller".

People however are saying, that the market was really good at the time, and Shania selling 40 million wasn't anywhere near as hard as selling 40 million in the industry today.

Adele has sold over 30 million copies and counting, and it's likely to sell a few more million with the impact from 25 and when Adele tours.

[Theus]

Girl you started it saying that she was not a force back them and she did not crack the global market, I just had to correct you. And it sold at least 7 million copies from Europe not just 7 million considering most of half of it's sales came from there. Let's just say that 21 was bigger and call it a day.

[Auburn]

Come on Over

There's a reason why Man! I Feel Like a Woman!, You're Still the One, That Don't Impress Me Much and From This Moment On are still more remembered than Adele 3 singles.

[T.C]

Originally posted by Auburn

Come on Over

There's a reason why Man! I Feel Like a Woman!, You're Still the One, That Don't Impress Me Much and From This Moment On are still more remembered than Adele 3 singles.

How can you even begin to compare when her songs are much older

[Auburn]

Originally posted by T.C

How can you even begin to compare when her songs are much older

Because Adele's should be more remembered than Shania's since they're newer, but they aren't

[princedonte]

Come on over had bigger singles and has sold more overall it was a sleeper hit while 21 was huge out the gate. I remember the Shania mania growing up in 97 and 98 she was everywhere. Come on over is more impressive esp with it being a country album that crossed over into the pop spectrum.