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Poll: Should obese people have to pay more for health insurance?
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View Poll Results: Should they?
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Yes
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Member Since: 4/30/2011
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Originally posted by NE.
I'm so tired of the fat-shaming, condescending queens on this site thinking they're above somebody because they're so proud to have the body of a 12-year old girl. 
Obesity is influenced by genetics. If you're going to charge people for being obese, you might as well charge white people more because they're likely to develop skin cancer or gay men because they're more likely to contract STDs. |
YES to all of this.
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Member Since: 10/22/2010
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Originally posted by - JED -
Here we are with the genetic card: "it's my genes!"
**orders a triple cheeseburger and the biggest ice cream tub**  |
This!
All I see in this thread are font and fonts of excuses. Like seriously, we all know if someone is not an overindulgent swine and has some self respect they wont let themselves become obese.
It's sad that some people are so indulgent and entitled that they use those traits to eat themselves into 'disability'. pathetic creatures.
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Member Since: 5/21/2009
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Originally posted by Reader
I get that it is easier and cheaper to eat unhealthily. If I was obese, as in, my life was in danger because of what I was eating and my lifestyle - I would probably be looking to make it a priority to fix it ASAP. That is not the case in the West, where we are accepting of a serious health condition reaching epidemic levels as normal.
There is nothing stopping the person in your hypothetical scenario from cutting portion sizes for their family (under guidance of a physician ideally) and making healthier choices where possible, knocking a few lbs off slowly and steadily.  |
Once again, you're looking through a lens of privilege and ignorance.
This has nothing to do with portion sizes (  ), it's macronutrients. Many of these poor residents do not have access to and cannot afford a primary care physician, let alone the luxury of a dietician. And why is it so difficult for you to understand that "making healthier choices where possible" is not possible for everyone? The healthiest options that some people have still aren't even healthy enough for them to maintain a healthy weight.
Hypothetically, a single mother working two low-waged jobs may make just enough money to afford $10 worth of vegetables. That is not going to feed a family of 5 people for an entire week. Yes, there are alot of people out there who are THAT poor.
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You can't talk about being overweight and obesity and not factor in EVERYTHING.
Everything from medical problems, depression/self-esteem, unhealthy diet and eating habits/choices, food and beverage marketing, genetics, lack of health education, lack of resources and social and economic issues. It's all of that ****, most interconnected. There is no one answer to it. It's not just "woo! I wanna let myself go and be obese by next Tuesday" for a lot of people.
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Member Since: 10/22/2010
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Originally posted by NE.
Once again, you're looking through a lens of privilege and ignorance.
This has nothing to do with portion sizes ( ), it's macronutrients. Many of these poor residents do not have access to and cannot afford a primary care physician, let alone the luxury of a dietician. And why is it so difficult for you to understand that "making healthier choices where possible" is not possible for everyone? The healthiest options that some people have still aren't even healthy enough for them to maintain a healthy weight.
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eating smaller portions and ordering a salad over a 3x cheeseburger is very simple boo. But keep trying to desperately justify people with no self respect
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I am totally against obesity, but that's such a disgusting thing to say.
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Member Since: 5/21/2009
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Originally posted by Pristine
eating smaller portions and ordering a salad over a 3x cheeseburger is very simple boo. But keep trying to desperately justify people with no self respect |
Are you drunk? Why is it difficult for you to understand that there are people out there who literally live in poor neighborhoods that do not have the money or access to any grocery stores that sell fresh produce to make salads? 
This may be hard for your brain process, but yes, there are areas where the only food options available to them are fast-food resuraunts, liquor stores, and carry-outs.
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Member Since: 8/25/2012
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What a ridiculous notion.
Should anorexic people pay more as well? How about people with depression?
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Member Since: 9/3/2011
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Originally posted by NE.
Once again, you're looking through a lens of privilege and ignorance.
This has nothing to do with portion sizes ( ), it's macronutrients. Many of these poor residents do not have access to and cannot afford a primary care physician, let alone the luxury of a dietician. And why is it so difficult for you to understand that "making healthier choices where possible" is not possible for everyone? The healthiest options that some people have still aren't even healthy enough for them to maintain a healthy weight.
Hypothetically, a single mother working two low-waged jobs may make just enough money to afford $10 worth of vegetables. That is not going to feed a family of 5 people for an entire week. Yes, there are alot of people out there who are THAT poor.
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Why would anyone give themselves the nightmare scenario of bringing up multiple children when they are barely able to support themselves? A bit of personal responsibility here pls.
I said that ideally, a change in diet would be done under the guidance of a physician. Plenty of people diet without expert medical advice.
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Member Since: 8/25/2012
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Originally posted by NE.
Once again, you're looking through a lens of privilege and ignorance.
This has nothing to do with portion sizes ( ), it's macronutrients. Many of these poor residents do not have access to and cannot afford a primary care physician, let alone the luxury of a dietician. And why is it so difficult for you to understand that "making healthier choices where possible" is not possible for everyone? The healthiest options that some people have still aren't even healthy enough for them to maintain a healthy weight.
Hypothetically, a single mother working two low-waged jobs may make just enough money to afford $10 worth of vegetables. That is not going to feed a family of 5 people for an entire week. Yes, there are alot of people out there who are THAT poor.
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Very true.
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Member Since: 10/22/2010
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Originally posted by NE.
Are you drunk? Why is it difficult for you to understand that there are people out there who literally live in poor neighborhoods that do not have the money or access to any grocery stores that sell fresh produce to make salads?
This may be hard for your brain process, but yes, there are areas where the only food options available to them are fast-food resuraunts, liquor stores, and carry-outs. |
maybe whats hard for your brain to process is how many calories one needs to eat to become obese smaller portions of the same thing do not cost more than larger portions
and salads are sold at ALL fast food chains
but some people are DESPERATE to play the victim. Obese people deserve everything they get and deserve to look disgusting since they have zero self discipline
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Originally posted by Ressti
What a ridiculous notion.
Should anorexic people pay more as well? How about people with depression?
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Anorexic people don't cost the health care system nearly as much money as obese people do!
But if it gets out of hand and anorexia becomes even remotely as common as obesity, then yes they should. Until then, it's ridiculous to compare.
And people don't consensually engage in depression. it's a direct disease of the mind.
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Member Since: 12/14/2006
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Now that i think about it maybe if they paid more they'll be better off.. You gotta work for money therefore I'm guessing most of them would be spending less time at KFC.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
Anorexic people don't cost the health care system nearly as much money as obese people do!
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And how much is that?
You don't have to reply if you don't know (which I'm sure is the case).
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Member Since: 5/21/2009
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Originally posted by Reader
Why would anyone give themselves the nightmare scenario of bringing up multiple children when they are barely able to support themselves? A bit of personal responsibility here pls.
I said that ideally, a change in diet would be done under the guidance of a physician. Plenty of people diet without expert medical advice.
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Once again, you're completely ignoring factors that go into people's circumstances. A woman may have had numerous children and was abandoned by the father or the spouse passed away and then the mother is now forced to work on her own to keep her family afloat.
Ideally, most people would probably like the luxury of a personal chef and dietician. I'm not talking about ideals, I'm talking about reality. You cannot diet when your best and afforadble diet options are still unhealthy options. Again, you fail to realize that not everyone has access to or money for a Whole Foods meal for the whole family every day of the week.
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Member Since: 8/12/2012
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The excuses. Like, stop trying to blame a person's obesity on everything other than themselves.
Unless they're a child, or have actual genetic causes such as a thyroid problem which is no where near as common as obesity, they have full responsibility for their condition.
If you take away all blame, people will never take control of their health and exercise and eat right, since they can just blame it on a,b, or c instead of actually doing something about it.
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Member Since: 4/17/2012
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Obesity is like a tiny bit genetic, it's mostly to do with lifestyle choices, so I do think they should have to pay more.
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