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ATRL: Thoughts on our moderating
Member Since: 7/15/2012
Posts: 30,915
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Originally posted by Honey
Moderators shouldn't be able to see who posted the post that's reported. There's too much favoritism/bias when giving WPs imo. |
That is such a good idea. 
But I'm sure if it was shade toward someone they stanned for there could still be a little bias toward it.
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Member Since: 10/14/2011
Posts: 15,451
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The only thing I would say is that there's a blurring of the lines between what one mod would give 1 WP and what another mod would give 2 WPs for.
Flamebait / Trolling
Insensitive / Offensive
Abrasive / Fighting
With the ones that are so closely linked, there needs to be more of a concrete explanation of what is deserving of what, otherwise there's disproportionate punishments being handed out. Now I understand there's a degree of subjectivity between each mod, but we don't know all your subjectivities inside out and it's unfair on our side if something we thought was just a little cheeky or a little snide ends up being perceived as absolutely the worst thing ever.
If there was more of an explanation in the rule book as to what is flamebait, what is trolling, and when does flamebait become trolling- just as an example- we would send better reports and you'd get less extraneous workload.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
Posts: 53,769
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Originally posted by iHypeMusic
We don't know who gives out what WP's though, so we can't tell you any personal opinions aside from the tasks in HQ. 
You're one of my favorite members overall though. You don't seem like a mod, like you seem like a regular fun user to chat with. |
True, yes, it's hard for you guys to give specific examples, but from my general attitude and comments in and out of HQ I feel like you guys should be allowed to voice thoughts on whatever you've seen me do questionably. 
Thank you, though! I kind of aim for that really, as I'm sure other mods do - we're still members after all! We keep things in line, but we still love pop music as much as we did before being added to the team. In fact, I sometimes almost feel guilty because I feel like I participate more as a member than I do as a mod.
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Member Since: 9/9/2012
Posts: 59,872
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Some of y'all don't know how to handle messy threads though. 
Like when Lee!! gave EVERYONE who posted once in that sexual Umich thread 3 WP's just because it got messy and got to 50 pages since no moderator was online for hours.
You can't get mad at us over someone posting a sexual thread, and us responding because y'all kept it open for 3 hours. 
And the mod who tried to give me 7 WP's for arguing in a thread because none of y'all were online when it was getting messy.
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Member Since: 3/8/2012
Posts: 39,015
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Originally posted by Lipton
Had never thought about this idea. Actually seems like something worth discussing, but I don't know how practical it is to implement.
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It makes alot of sense. It eliminates all potential bias a mod has against any members on the forums. This is one thing you guys should discuss. This is a practical solution for the forum. After isn't justice suppose to be blind  ?
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
Posts: 37,894
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Originally posted by Honey
Moderators shouldn't be able to see who posted the post that's reported. There's too much favoritism/bias when giving WPs imo. |
That would be pretty much impossible to change, as you have to go to the actual post in the thread to warn it.
And anyway, I definitely do not think this has been a problem. There's no favoritism—if a moderator feels a post is warn worthy, it will be warned regardless of who posted it. I mean, sometimes I find myself saying "Ugh c'mon sis, why?!" but I'm still going to warn it.
We honestly are not biased, as much as you guys say we are.
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Member Since: 11/29/2010
Posts: 19,102
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Originally posted by Merryweather
I get that you want to prevent trolling, but by locking threads you're also silencing people who have important things to say. Racism is so rampant on ATRL so I don't think that method even works very well.
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Right. And most of the time, I'd rather let there be discussions about these issues and try to just eliminate the trolls.
The racism issue is just another form of extreme flamebait.
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Member Since: 1/3/2011
Posts: 30,381
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I've heard mods have a select few handling most reports, but I would like to see the activity of the mods skewed into different roles. Like specific mods answering questions in HQ if they keep missing new reports.
For example, apparently during the ATRL day where thread titles and the blog section only worked, Phonetic and Lee!! were the only ones moderating, and pretty much Lee!! handled all the reports. I think then in this case, the other mod should be more spoke-person like to address issues members ask about as another works on the reports
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
Posts: 53,769
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Originally posted by Lipton
Had never thought about this idea. Actually seems like something worth discussing, but I don't know how practical it is to implement.
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I agree. It may not even be possible but it would give some limits to any bias involved in that regard.
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Member Since: 12/19/2011
Posts: 14,246
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Lee!! need to loosen up. As stated in this thread before, it's like he perches on some threads and waits for someone to post something warnable. It ain't cute 
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Member Since: 3/8/2012
Posts: 39,015
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Wait a moderator tried to give you 7 WP  ??!?!?! I'm sorry but wow O_O And yes I agree with what you said. Why should people be penalized because a moderator isn't on to close it quickly enough?
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
Posts: 53,769
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Originally posted by Doc
We honestly are not biased, as much as you guys say we are. |
I mean, there's a system of checks in place with Help Requests - there's not really any room to be unreasonably biased.
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Member Since: 3/8/2012
Posts: 39,015
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Originally posted by coolcristobal
Lee!! need to loosen up. As stated in this thread before, it's like he perches on some threads and waits for someone to post something warnable. It ain't cute |
Lee is one of my favorite mods 
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Member Since: 10/3/2009
Posts: 35,844
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Originally posted by Merryweather
I get that you want to prevent trolling, but by locking threads you're also silencing people who have important things to say. Racism is so rampant on ATRL so I don't think that method even works very well.
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As a 2009 member, I can tell you that threads addressed to topics such as racism, sexuality, or any controversial topics get messy really quick in here, and trolling and flamebait gets really uncontrollable if such threads do not get closed ASAP. Besides, I assume people can continue expressing their opinions on blogs and/or walls.
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Member Since: 3/8/2012
Posts: 39,015
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Ok if you guys say you're unbias then it shouldn't be a problem of making the posts that are warned anonymous so you can't see who made the post in the first place
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Member Since: 11/29/2010
Posts: 19,102
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Originally posted by Zune
I've heard mods have a select few handling most reports, but I would like to see the activity of the mods skewed into different roles. Like specific mods answering questions in HQ if they keep missing new reports.
For example, apparently during the ATRL day where thread titles and the blog section only worked, Phonetic and Lee!! were the only ones moderating, and pretty much Lee!! handled all the reports. I think then in this case, the other mod should be more spoke-person like to address issues members ask about as another works on the reports
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We've discussed that all moderators need to make a more concerted effort to post in HQ and answer questions.
It's very unreasonable to have moderating activity spread out evenly. Due to some life schedules and time zones conflicting with the peak activity of ATRL (roughly 3 PM to 10 PM in the US), the activity of each moderator will always be unbalanced.
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Member Since: 9/9/2012
Posts: 59,872
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
Wait a moderator tried to give you 7 WP ??!?!?! I'm sorry but wow O_O And yes I agree with what you said. Why should people be penalized because a moderator isn't on to close it quickly enough? |
Yes, for arguing. I had 2 WP's, then 9 WP's when I woke up.
I had never in my life thought someone was out to get me so much.
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Banned
Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 1,868
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someone gave me two WP's for saying i don't care about getting WP's and I'm being completely honest right now
i mean this is what i posted
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Originally posted by shinjiikari
you think i give a **** about some silly ass WP's sis i don't give a **** sorry but unlike you atrl does not constitute my entire life. And nothing can change the fact that YOUR FAVE is a washed up bitch too afraid to release anything in fear of it not reaching number one because people are just tired of her.
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it was about beyonce
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Member Since: 9/13/2012
Posts: 29,559
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Originally posted by Honey
Moderators shouldn't be able to see who posted the post that's reported. |
hm I like this idea, but sometimes it probably helps to know the user. Like say it was a questionable Gaga post... if it was a first-time offender or even a known Monster, there might be better intentions. On the other hand, if it was by one of her usual trolls, it's probably better off warned. I've (successfully) requested threadbans through reports a few times and I really appreciated getting these repeat trolls knocked out of the ARTPOP thread or Gaga base where we're trying to have real fans discuss her music and stats.
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Member Since: 5/28/2010
Posts: 29,225
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Quote:
Originally posted by Lipton
Honestly, I love the myth that I am super biased against the Hive. I'm actually the one that bans most of the people who frequently troll her and I police her threads.
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I've noticed that a while ago.
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