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Discussion: Thoughts on Food Stamps
Member Since: 5/18/2012
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Originally posted by memi stan
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The article states they are homeless for the exact reasons we stated, also veterans and minorities make up a large proportion ask yourself why. Not to mention the article is dated, it doesn't take into account the aftermath of the recession.
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Originally posted by Konichiwa
My post will be ignored while people continue to demonize low-income families without citing any sources (or, if they do, only sources from neoliberal hellholes like the US Chamber of Commerce and the Heritage Foundation) and instead relying on personal anecdotes and unfounded "beliefs."
This is not a new practice (see, et al., Reagan, Ronald W.). I at least hope that citizens concerned with SNAP and other welfare programs will begin to look at the real, underlying causes of poverty and homelessness and attempt to fix those as a way of decreasing welfare usage. It would solve both problems.
Anyway, I'll leave with this account of someone who actually knows what it's like to live on food stamps: |
Thanks for posting.
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Member Since: 9/12/2012
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Well Konichiwa actually pulled out receipts...quite a bit of them.  It's pretty easy for those better off to pass judgement on the less fortunate and jump to conclusions.
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Member Since: 6/28/2010
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Originally posted by Smartypants
My mother is the same way. Single and everything. 2 jobs. But she does it all by herself, without any help. What people fail to realize is that it is possible to make it without food stamps, even if you're in a rough situation. It's your willingness and your pro-activeness to change the way things are that determine whether or not you will succeed independently or not.
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This is exactly how I feel about the situation of how it should go. Working two jobs and having the drive to figure the issue out is possible without help from SNAP. People fall onto and then begin to rely on it to live rather than work hard
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Member Since: 12/30/2011
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Originally posted by Konichiwa
My post will be ignored while people continue to demonize low-income families without citing any sources (or, if they do, only sources from neoliberal hellholes like the US Chamber of Commerce and the Heritage Foundation) and instead relying on personal anecdotes and unfounded "beliefs."
This is not a new practice (see, et al., Reagan, Ronald W.). I at least hope that citizens concerned with SNAP and other welfare programs will begin to look at the real, underlying causes of poverty and homelessness and attempt to fix those as a way of decreasing welfare usage. It would solve both problems.
Anyway, I'll leave with this account of someone who actually knows what it's like to live on food stamps: |
I'm sorry but she makes it sound like she is only working part time because she couldn't get the legal job she wanted. With the degree she has she could get some kind of full time job if she wanted to.
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by RatedG²
I am glad your mother had the opportunities to get a job, she sounds like a strong woman
However not every person can even do that, and that's for a variety of reasons |
Yes, I totally understand what you mean. Just wanted to let it be known that a majority of people can actually live a good life if they put dedication to it. Now, people who have injuries, etc I understand need to rely on some sort of help.
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Originally posted by Smartypants
My mother is the same way. Single and everything. 2 jobs. But she does it all by herself, without any help. What people fail to realize is that it is possible to make it without food stamps, even if you're in a rough situation. It's your willingness and your pro-activeness to change the way things are that determine whether or not you will succeed independently or not.
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Yes, thank you! It'll be ruff for a couple of years but things will change.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by memi stan
Did you care to keep reading past the first paragraph? Under the category of singles it's in the top 3 reasons. And if you care to go down even a tad further you can see percentages.
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I read it but you can't make an argument
It says 38% of homeless people report alcohol and 26% report other drug problems. Besides them both being under 50%, they are FAR below "mostly drug problems"
And besides just because they have drug problems doesn't mean the REASON they were homeless was because of it. That could've started after. Since there isn't any data on that you can't make your ludicrous claim
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Member Since: 12/30/2011
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Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
The article states they are homeless for the exact reasons we stated, also veterans and minorities make up a large proportion ask yourself why. Not to mention the article is dated, it doesn't take into account the aftermath of the recession.
Thanks for posting.
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You needed to keep reading. You missed the part where they said under singles it is in the top 3.
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Member Since: 12/30/2011
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Originally posted by RatedG²
I read it but you can't make an argument
It says 38% of homeless people report alcohol and 26% report other drug problems. Besides them both being under 50%, they are FAR below "mostly drug problems"
And besides just because they have drug problems doesn't mean the REASON they were homeless was because of it. That could've started after. Since there isn't any data on that you can't make your ludicrous claim
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My claim isn't ludicrous if it was you wouldn't be getting so angry.
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Member Since: 8/3/2012
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Originally posted by Smartypants
My mother is the same way. Single and everything. 2 jobs. But she does it all by herself, without any help. What people fail to realize is that it is possible to make it without food stamps, even if you're in a rough situation. It's your willingness and your pro-activeness to change the way things are that determine whether or not you will succeed independently or not.
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So because your mother made it by herself then by that logic everyone should be able to make it by themselves. Brilliant ideology.
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Member Since: 9/12/2012
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It is possible to make it without food stamps, sure. Why would someone purposely make it harder on themselves? It's not like they would be using the food stamps they receive for the wrong reasons. Also, the people who pay taxes are not going bankrupt by them. The help is available, why should they not utilize it? It's there for a reason.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by memi stan
My claim isn't ludicrous if it was you wouldn't be getting so angry.
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I don't understand this line of argument 
Does it seem like I'm angry? It may be hard to tell over the internet but I'm not angry, just bewildered because I don't know if you are truly understanding what I'm trying to say.
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Member Since: 12/30/2011
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Originally posted by Smartypants
My mother is the same way. Single and everything. 2 jobs. But she does it all by herself, without any help. What people fail to realize is that it is possible to make it without food stamps, even if you're in a rough situation. It's your willingness and your pro-activeness to change the way things are that determine whether or not you will succeed independently or not.
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My Aunt and Uncle were dirt poor when they got married. They just barely got by. But they worked really hard and are now very well off. If you put the effort into it. Things do get better. It might take a long time but it does.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by memi stan
My Aunt and Uncle were dirt poor when they got married. They just barely got by. But they worked really hard and are now very well off. If you put the effort into it. Things do get better. It might take a long time but it does.
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The thing you don't seem to understand is that the people on food stamps are making an effort. But in the meantime to keep them afloat they need some assistance
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Member Since: 5/18/2012
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Originally posted by memi stan
You needed to keep reading. You missed the part where they said under singles it is in the top 3.
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Which means that they likely rely on drugs to forget about their issues, if a person is single and homeless they likely don't have any support emotionally. I went to the source at looked at the graphs, why do you think families are 12% with substance abuse, and mental illness, but singles are in the 60s? Also below there's a graph and it states the ways to combat it. like affordable housing and employment.
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Member Since: 12/30/2011
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Originally posted by RatedG²
I don't understand this line of argument
Does it seem like I'm angry? It may be hard to tell over the internet but I'm not angry, just bewildered because I don't know if you are truly understanding what I'm trying to say. |
When I say homeless I mean on the streets. Not in a shelter. The ones on the streets are the ones I'm talking about.
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Member Since: 6/15/2012
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Just so wrong.
I mean it's good that people are able to make it without food stamps. But most people ON food stamps actually HAVE jobs, you know. They aren't all jobless cretins who abuse the system 
And besides the fact that most have jobs, most don't have the formal education needed to get a better job and off of food stamps because the price for good education is too high and if they can barely get through a day without struggling how in the world will they have the opportunity to advance to a better job? And good for some people having 2 jobs but you know some people just don't have time for that especially if they have kids.
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Let me ask you something:
Why should anyone besides yourself be held accountable for the fact that you decided not to get a formal education? There are way to many programs that will pay for the cost of your education that it's ridiculous to even play the money card. Scholarships and financial aid do exist, you know. There are even colleges that will pay for the cost of your education if you fall below a certain income threshold.
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Member Since: 9/15/2012
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The IGNORANCE.
It's not possible for every single person to dig themselves out of their financial holes no matter how fast they dig or how big their shovel may be.
Food is an absolute necessity everyone needs and a perfect place to offer help for those with low-paying jobs who are trying to support families. It's not like they can buy anything but food with them, they're not going out buying damn iPhones.
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Member Since: 12/30/2011
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Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
Which means that they likely rely on drugs to forget about their issues, if a person is single and homeless they likely don't have any support emotionally. I went to the source at looked at the graphs, why do you think families are 12% with substance abuse, and mental illness, but singles are in the 60s? Also below there's a graph and it states the ways to combat it. like affordable housing and employment.
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I think their family's probably left they because they didn't kick their drug habit. Not all but at least a portion of them.
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Member Since: 12/30/2011
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Originally posted by RatedG²
The thing you don't seem to understand is that the people on food stamps are making an effort. But in the meantime to keep them afloat they need some assistance
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Some are making an effort.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Smartypants
Let me ask you something:
Why should anyone besides yourself be held accountable for the fact that you decided not to get a formal education? There are way to many programs that will pay for the cost of your education that it's ridiculous to even play the money card. Scholarships and financial aid do exist, you know. There are even colleges that will pay for the cost of your education if you fall below a certain income threshold.
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Oh god some people...hold on let me write a proper reply right now 
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