[Wonderland]

Does that mean I think Dems will win in 2020? I don't know. But they'll be fine for the race and it'll be close at minimum.

[Alejandrawrrr]

Originally posted by Nialler

I don't think Dems will be able to find a candidate worse than Hill but so far it seems like they learned nothing.

Well, they could try Gillibrand. She's very similar to Hillary, but with most of her negatives and less/none of her positives.

[LuLuDrops]

They could win if they actually visit WI/PA/MI, the blue wall only had cracks, it wasn't bulldozed.

Although that means 272 is the bare minimum we could expect when 300 used to feel like our launchpad, so despite slim Presidential victories if we keep those states, it is a MASSIVE decline in electoral votes which does not look cute at all for the DNC.

[lightstheyblindme]

Originally posted by Nialler

I don't think Dems will be able to find a candidate worse than Hill but so far it seems like they learned nothing.

well well look who's back

but yeah Dems already ran the worst possible candidate (Hillary) so we can really only go up from here

maybe next time they'll run the best possible candidate (Bernie). we'll have to wait and see

[lightstheyblindme]

Originally posted by Alejandrawrrr

Well, they could try Gillibrand. She's very similar to Hillary, but with most of her negatives and less/none of her positives.

I will not vote for Hillary-lite. i already voted for Hillary after the corrupt DNC rigged the primary to give the nomination to Hillary just because I felt like a Trump presidency would surely bring about the apocalypse. as far as I'm concerned that was my one free pass to the DNC in my lifetime where I would vote for a candidate I hated - in future elections I'm not voting if I don't like either candidate I don't give a ****, votes are earned and won I'm not voting out of obligation ever again

[Dessy Fenix]

There are plenty candidates worst than Hillary, in terms of what they can do and bring to the table. Primary voters usually reject them though, imo.

I want someone nice for my second prez election

[Lord Blackout]

Originally posted by LuLuDrops

They could win if they actually visit WI/PA/MI, the blue wall only had cracks, it wasn't bulldozed.

Although that means 272 is the bare minimum we could expect when 300 used to feel like our launchpad, so despite slim Presidential victories if we keep those states, it is a MASSIVE decline in electoral votes which does not look cute at all for the DNC.

I saw the Maddow interview with the campaign manager and she told her that they overspent on PA so with a bigger rust belt strategy they would have won WI and MI at most. It would still fall short :/
I think it's a Hillary vs Trump issue. 2020 will be different when we run someone completely new.

Though, as I said before, rust belt voters will vote out of patriotism for Trump so we're really gonna need Obama 2008 level minority turnout in 2020.

[ClashAndBurn]

Originally posted by Lord Blackout

I saw the Maddow interview with the campaign manager and she told her that they overspent on PA so with a bigger rust belt strategy they would have won WI and MI at most. It would still fall short :/
I think it's a Hillary vs Trump issue. 2020 will be different when we run someone completely new.

You're assuming the DNC isn't stupid enough to rally behind someone who has no chance in Hell like Bernie.

All we can do is wait and see. Trump may not even be a concern in the event that he gets impeached by the Republican Congress in retribution for him not meeting certain campaign obligations that he promised to fulfill and is already reneging on.

[Lord Blackout]

Originally posted by ClashAndBurn

You're assuming the DNC isn't stupid enough to rally behind someone who has no chance in Hell like Bernie.

All we can do is wait and see. Trump may not even be a concern in the event that he gets impeached by the Republican Congress in retribution for him not meeting certain campaign obligations that he promised to fulfill and is already reneging on.

I don't see Trump getting impeached. He's guaranteed a fully republican congress at least until 2020 and, though he will commit every impeachable offense possible, his mandate is so weak and the standards for him are so low that there's nothing he can do that'll make the country think "wow this guy can't be my president anymore". He's a total pariah yet still in the oval office. It's a different situation from Bill Clinton who was nationally loved but shocked the nation with his infidelities.

And yeah I can see the DNC making that stupid mistake thinking we'll all unite behind him and magically forget about 2016.

[lightstheyblindme]

Originally posted by ClashAndBurn

You're assuming the DNC isn't stupid enough to rally behind someone who has no chance in Hell like Bernie.

All we can do is wait and see. Trump may not even be a concern in the event that he gets impeached by the Republican Congress in retribution for him not meeting certain campaign obligations that he promised to fulfill and is already reneging on.

name one person who has a better chance at winning than Bernie. I'll wait.

[ClashAndBurn]

Originally posted by lightstheyblindme

name one person who has a better chance at winning than Bernie. I'll wait.

Just because nobody else comes to mind doesn't mean Bernie himself has a chance. The party needs someone completely new to emerge from the crowd in order to have a chance, because any of the faces we have now are "establishment candidates" that will be just as repudiated by the white trash voters as Hillary was.

[Dessy Fenix]

Originally posted by lightstheyblindme

name one person who has a better chance at winning than Bernie. I'll wait.

Biden.

[ClashAndBurn]

Originally posted by Lord Blackout

I don't see Trump getting impeached. He's guaranteed a fully republican congress at least until 2020 and, though he will commit every impeachable offense possible, his mandate is so weak and the standards for him are so low that there's nothing he can do that'll make the country think "wow this guy can't be my president anymore". He's a total pariah yet still in the oval office. It's a different situation from Bill Clinton who was nationally loved but shocked the nation with his infidelities.

And yeah I can see the DNC making that stupid mistake thinking we'll all unite behind him and magically forget about 2016.

If it means they can end up with Pence, who would be less of an enigma and even more of a deplorable being, I can see them throwing Trump under the bus very easily if he steps even one toe out from where they would want him to.

[lightstheyblindme]

Originally posted by Dessy Fenix

Biden.

mm I don't see it, I don't think anyone is a particularly huge fan of Biden he's just kind of there.

[LuLuDrops]

Midnightdawn is right. Both parties need an overhaul whether it is now or later. GOP still has to soften its stance someday on social issues but that would lose evangelicals and put them in a tough spot despite current successes.

They will have to soften eventually as the country is getting more diverse, but at the same time it is not diversifying(?) as fast as elections come and go so Democrats need a second cushion in case minorities don't turn out like hoped. Don't get me started on state races...we really need to bottle and export that Reid machine juju.

[Dessy Fenix]

Originally posted by lightstheyblindme

mm I don't see it, I don't think anyone is a particularly huge fan of Biden he's just kind of there.

I'm not a fan of Biden myself but I wouldn't underestimate such a figure especially coming off a popular presidency of Obama's. But yeah there's really not many that comes to my mind other than those two really.

[Lord Blackout]

Originally posted by ClashAndBurn

If it means they can end up with Pence, who would be less of an enigma and even more of a deplorable being, I can see them throwing Trump under the bus very easily if he steps even one toe out from where they would want him to.

No one likes Pence. I mean I would prefer him as POTUS but, if I were a republican, I wouldn't get rid of Trump and risk alienating his base and thus lose future elections.

[LuLuDrops]

Trump has hype and the mouth that won over his public. Pence wouldn't pull in Don numbers if he tried. I could see many staying home if it was Pence2020, especially younger GOP men.

[19SLAYty9]

Would Kamala Harris be a good choice?

[King Maxx]

Pence is trying to mold himself as the new Reagan. A more conservative Reagan to be more specific. Kasich would be an actual Reagan, but his time is up.
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And Republicans fall in line. They don't care who's at the top of the ticket.