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News: Israeli-Palestinian conflict
Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by NickLacheyFan
If that's not being under attack than I dunno what is. We can't allow Gaza strip to be open wide untill the leadership in Gaza will actually remove the extrem and bad parts from it.
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The government in israel also has extreme parts whom advocate the genocide of all arabs, some who give the go ahead to illegal settlements on Palestinian land not to mention some like that politician who wants to kill all palestinian mothers, should we also shut down israel and control its people in a similar fashion because of it's government? Would you also be in support of collective punishment on Israel just like you are in support of it in gaza?
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Member Since: 3/5/2014
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Originally posted by CakeLike
The irony.
You said most of them think they "die as saints". The majority of them are innocent civilians including children, if you can't see what an awful thing to say that is then goodbye.
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Did they really say that? I've only read a couple of their ignorant posts. 
What kind of racism thinking all Muslims are jihads who want to die as martyrs.
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Member Since: 4/4/2014
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Originally posted by NickLacheyFan
I just can't. I feel like everytime I'm about to walk away a new comment pops up and makes me wanna stay and fight the ignorance.
First of all, army in Israel is mendatory. It's not a choice and there are large part of people in the army right now who got called back after they're done with their service, because of what's happening in Gaza. The choice?To get back or go to jail.
Why it's not a choice in Israel? Because since day 1 this country was alive, it was busy in being attacked by arabs/Palestinians.
As for the "what my country lead me to believe"? How about the dozens of buses who got blown up in the last 10-20 years? Or the missiles fired at places I was at, places my friends live.
And so much more.
If that's not being under attack than I dunno what is. We can't allow Gaza strip to be open wide untill the leadership in Gaza will actually remove the extrem and bad parts from it.
You can let someone who throw missiles at you have an open hand. If we leave Gaza strip open we will basiclly be leading ourselfs to death. That's basic as this.
What you basiclly saying in the end of that part is that we don't need to worry cuz' we have a defanse system and US back up, well, like I said before, those busses who got blowned up, got blown up even with everything we have, even when the strip is under out control.
I don't want to imagine what will happen with the strip open.
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First of all, your goverment is supposed to train them, but many of them aren't, so its your goverments fault of them dying, sending untrained young soldiers to attack people and expect no comeback, it was debunked MANY times that this attack started by Hamas, it was Israel who attacked first and play the victim with they get their ass kicked by Hamas. It was a long time since these suicidal attack and you cant deny **** that these were in war times or Intefadas, which you focus on Israeli deaths more than Palestinian even if the Israeli deaths are less that 1%. Thse busses attacks aren- you know what, **** it, arguing with you is pointless, when we debunk you you come up with excuses and open new topics saying that we are ignorant and dont listen while its the other way around. You say you cant handle us then go away, we dont need you to make excuses to Israels war crimes. BYE.
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
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It is also Ironic that one of the major exemptions to military service in Israel is to attend religious school.
The the most bigoted and extremist factions, the ones pushing Zionism and the stealing of Palestinian land, are the ones who get out of military service.
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Member Since: 5/4/2012
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Originally posted by Waffles O'Brien
They were in 1946.
They were when Israel started stealing their land for settlements.
No matter how you twist it. The Palestinians did NOT start this half century of conflict.
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Actually technically they did. When Palestines tried to revolt against the Brits The Jews that lived were pretty much lumped in the mix as well and when that didnt work, Britain decided to throw all their support behind The Jews settled in that area, which led to the civil war, and well the rest is history.
What irks me the most is that these lil kids are running around here talking about **** they have very little information about because it sounds cool. Palestine is just this poor defenseless little settlement that arent doing anything, which is kinda true, But Hamas dragged them into a war, and to sit here and act like Israel is wrong because they manage to protect their people better than Palestine does, is misleading, and just plain sad.
"But what about the children? Can someone PLEASE THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!"
From Israel's standpoint, **** the children. If Hamas want to write checks their arsenal can't cash well thats their problem.
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
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Originally posted by Big Smoke
Actually technically they did. When Palestines tried to revolt against the Brits The Jews that lived were pretty much lumped in the mix as well and when that didnt work, Britain decided to throw all their support behind The Jews settled in that area, which led to the civil war, and well the rest is history.
What irks me the most is that these lil kids are running around here talking about **** they have very little information about because it sounds cool. Palestine is just this poor defenseless little settlement that arent doing anything, which is kinda true, But Hamas dragged them into a war, and to sit here and act like Israel is wrong because they manage to protect their people better than Palestine does, is misleading, and just plain sad.
"But what about the children? Can someone PLEASE THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!"
From Israel's standpoint, **** the children. If Hamas want to write checks their arsenal can't cash well thats their problem.
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NOT YOU ACTING LIKE BRITISH COLONIALISM WAS PEACEFUL 
You are priceless.
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Member Since: 5/4/2012
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Originally posted by Waffles O'Brien
NOT YOUR ACTING LIKE BRITISH COLONIALISM WAS PEACEFUL
You are priceless.
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Actually it was (compared to the 19 century) The main reason Palestine wanted independence was there were too many Jews settling in the land. Those poor Palestines, all those Jews coming and taking land that didnt belong to them -
Oh wait, that's right, the land wasnt entirely theirs either.
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
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It should also be noted that Israel has been scheming to destroy Palestine since pretty much the beginning.
This why they take ANY excuse to massacre civilians.
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Israel has violated so many international war crimes its unbelievable. The hypocrisy is terribly disgusting. Just because I acknowledge Israel's wrongdoing doesn't mean I have anything against Israelis so save your drama for someone else. I tell my parents when they're wrong all the time, that doesn't mean I hate them.
Rule 6. Civilians’ Loss of Protection from Attack
Rule 6. Civilians are protected against attack, unless and for such time as they take a direct part in hostilities.
Rule 89. Violence to Life
Rule 89. Murder is prohibited.
Summary
State practice establishes this rule as a norm of customary international law applicable in both international and non-international armed conflicts.
Rule 87. Humane Treatment
Rule 87. Civilians and persons hors de combat must be treated humanely.
For those of you who deem ignorant to say it is necessary, it is not. and, the rule of proportionality proves this.
Rule 14. Proportionality in Attack
Rule 14. Launching an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated, is prohibited.
http://www.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v1_rul_rule2
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Member Since: 5/15/2010
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The only way to reach peace is to exterminate, wipe out Hamas from existence, that's the only way, hopefully Israel triumphs over evil and a democratic government is established in Gaza, Israel and Gaza BOTH have the right to exist, but I fear civilians in Palestine are becoming more and more radical due to the excessive force Israel is using and it's sadly striking innocent palestinians.
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
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Originally posted by Beatz
The only way to reach peace is to exterminate, wipe out Hamas from existence, that's the only way, hopefully Israel triumphs over evil and a democratic government is established in Gaza, Israel and Gaza BOTH have the right to exist, but I fear civilians in Palestine are becoming more and more radical due to the excessive force Israel is using and it's sadly striking innocent palestinians.
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When you are racist you tend to see label every Muslim as "Hamas".
This was already illustrated in this thread when someone claimed that most Palestinians were Martyrs dying in support of Hamas.
I don't believe Israel is capable of telling the difference.
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Member Since: 8/25/2012
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Originally posted by Jberg
Israel has violated so many international war crimes its unbelievable. The hypocrisy is terribly disgusting. Just because I acknowledge Israel's wrongdoing doesn't mean I have anything against Israelis so save your drama for someone else. I tell my parents when they're wrong all the time, that doesn't mean I hate them.
Rule 6. Civilians’ Loss of Protection from Attack
Rule 6. Civilians are protected against attack, unless and for such time as they take a direct part in hostilities.
Rule 89. Violence to Life
Rule 89. Murder is prohibited.
Summary
State practice establishes this rule as a norm of customary international law applicable in both international and non-international armed conflicts.
Rule 87. Humane Treatment
Rule 87. Civilians and persons hors de combat must be treated humanely.
For those of you who deem ignorant to say it is necessary, it is not. and, the rule of proportionality proves this.
Rule 14. Proportionality in Attack
Rule 14. Launching an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated, is prohibited.
http://www.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v1_rul_rule2 |
Israel should be condemned by the entire world. Netanyahu should be locked up for his war crimes.
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Member Since: 9/11/2011
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The killing of innocent children is terrible but you people need to realize something. Hamas is hiding weapons in the homes of their civilians using them as human shields while Israel is not doing that. If Palestine cared about their people they would not do this along with the fact that they denied a 4-hour cease fire which will lead to more of their people dead. Israel is responsible for their citizens not Palestine's. The fact of the matter is that Palestine started shooting rockets to civilians in Israel FIRST and Israel is defensing themselves. Their land was given to them after World War 2 by the UNITED NATIONS. It is theirs. The only Jewish land left. Do not blame Israel that palestinians have no where to go when warned to leave because the regions surrounding them are declining their entry. They should be held responsible too if you want to put the blame on Israel.
Basiclally, Hamas is using human shields as a propaganda tactic to get people to feel bad for them which is horrific. The killing of innocent people as a way to gain supporters is the most evil you can get. Israel is 1000X more powerful in everything than Palestine so this war will only lead to disaster.
Israel is our only friend in the middle east. They are the only democracy there which we have on our side. If we BETRAY them then we are idiots. Losing them is a big disadvantage for America due to the fact that they are one of the most powerful and advanced countries in the world.
Also, When America bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki we killed millions of innocent people. It was done as a way to end the war and it did the job. Of course its terrible but that is not our fault. Do not START a war with another country and SACRIFICE your own people and expect everyone to be on your side when in fact YOU are the reason your people are dying.
I find it sickening how so many of you are taking Palestine's side in this issue when Israel has always been attacked for decades by the surrounding regions. Its the last place where Jews can be free. Now if you dont think the death of 6 million jews is enough reason for them to KEEP their tiny piece of desert you have another thing coming.
And the hate that has branched out specifically in Europe is disgusting. Palestinian's chanting Kill the jews in Palestine has migrated over to Europe. Palestine-Supporters are burning Jewish Stars and BLOWING UP/SETTING ON FIRE all Jewish-Owned building in Europe. It no longer a fight over land but now it is a fight against the jews and its completely disgusting...i guess history does repeat itself.
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Member Since: 9/11/2011
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Originally posted by Ressti
Israel should be condemned by the entire world. Netanyahu should be locked up for his war crimes.
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You're so far off its insane. When Hamas stops using HUMAN SHIELDS then the killings will stop. Israel NEEDS to fire back to defend itself and they NEED to destroy the weapons in Palestine but since they are buried in CIVILLIAN HOMES,SCHOOLS,HOSPITALS, what are they supposed to do? Sit around and continue to be invaded and bombed?
Please tell me how Israel should go about in defending themselves?
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by Scheisse
Hamas is hiding weapons in the homes of their civilians using them as human shields while Israel is not doing that.
Israel is responsible for their citizens not Palestine's. They should be held responsible too if you want to put the blame on Israel.
Israel is our only friend in the middle east. They are the only democracy there which we have on our side. If we BETRAY them then we are idiots. Losing them is a big disadvantage for America due to the fact that they are one of the most powerful and advanced countries in the world.
Also, When America bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki we killed millions of innocent people. It was done as a way to end the war and it did the job.
I find it sickening how so many of you are taking Palestine's side in this issue when Israel has always been attacked for decades by the surrounding regions. Its the last place where Jews can be free. Now if you dont think the death of 6 million jews is enough reason for them to KEEP their tiny piece of desert you have another thing coming.
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First off, you probably didn't read my message. I clearly stated that I am not endorsing either party. However, when it comes to international war crimes, Israel has undoubtedly violated many. This is an obvious fact that cannot be sugarcoated.
No one is saying Israel should give up the land granted to them by the UN, and stop trying to use the "past card" because no one should ever wish such inhumane acts against anyone. And, dishearteningly, many anti-Palestinians are wishing to "exterminate" and "wipe out" the Palestinians.
I am glad you referred to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it shows that you are aware of past horrific events. Nevertheless, the WWII was an international war that involved many nations. However, I would encourage you to learn more about the Vietnam War that both the United States and France lost. Perhaps then you will realize what is wrong with the conflict in the middle east.
As the people from the pentagon said, "killing off the Hamas would lead to something worse." What I am trying to get pro-Israelis to understand is that you only make things worse when you commit war crimes. Just know that the Hamas will certainly use the inhumane acts done by Israel to recruit people and gain sympathizers. Please see the Vietnam War and learn about how the US and France lost. I am pro-peace.
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Member Since: 5/4/2012
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Originally posted by Waffles O'Brien
It should also be noted that Israel has been scheming to destroy Palestine since pretty much the beginning.
This why they take ANY excuse to massacre civilians.
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Funny how you jump from "Theyre stealing their land!!!" to "They just wanna exterminate everybody!!!" Like bruh...
Did I mention that said revolt happened in 1934?
Arabs and Jews have hated each other for decades, thats pretty much a fact, regardless of who started what. but NOW, Hamas know theyre playing a game that they cannot win. They dont have the military power, the man power and theyre cittizens are too packed together to go up against Israel AND THEY KNOW THIS. And do it anyway. You could spit outside your window in Isreal and hit 40 people in Palestine. You cant blame Israel for that.
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Member Since: 9/11/2011
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Originally posted by Jberg
First off, you probably didn't read my message. I clearly stated that I am not endorsing either party. However, when it comes to international war crimes, Israel has undoubtedly violated many. This is an obvious fact that cannot be sugarcoated.
No one is saying Israel should give up the land granted to them by the UN, and stop trying to use the "past card" because no one should ever wish such inhumane acts against anyone. And, dishearteningly, many anti-Palestinians are wishing to "exterminate" and "wipe out" the Palestinians.
I am glad you referred to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it shows that you are aware of past horrific events. Nevertheless, the WWII was an international war that involved many nations. However, I would encourage you to learn more about the Vietnam War that both the United States and France lost. Perhaps then you will realize what is wrong with the conflict in the middle east.
As the people from the pentagon said, "killing off the Hamas would lead to something worse." What I am trying to get pro-Israelis to understand is that you only make things worse when you commit war crimes. Just know that the Hamas will certainly use the inhumane acts done by Israel to recruit people and gain sympathizers. Please see the Vietnam War and learn about how the US and France lost. I am pro-peace.
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Sadly wanting peace will never happen. I wish it would but this conflict has been ongoing for so long I do not think it will ever be peaceful.
Now, there is NO way of Israel defending themselves without the killing of innocent civilians because of hama's schemes with the hiding of their weapon stashes. I am saying that Israel has no other way of defending themselves in this matter. It's a lose-lose for them. Palestine needs to give up and think about their innocent citizens losing their lives.
If Hamas puts down their weapons, Israel will stop the killings. If Israel puts down their weapons, there will be no Israel.
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Member Since: 5/4/2012
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Originally posted by Ressti
Israel should be condemned by the entire world. Netanyahu should be locked up for his war crimes.
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Then by your logic Harry Truman shouldve did some time.
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Member Since: 9/11/2011
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Originally posted by Big Smoke
Funny how you jump from "Theyre stealing their land!!!" to "They just wanna exterminate everybody!!!" Like bruh...
Did I mention that said revolt happened in 1934?
Arabs and Jews have hated each other for decades, thats pretty much a fact, regardless of who started what. but NOW, Hamas know theyre playing a game that they cannot win. They dont have the military power, the man power and theyre cittizens are too packed together to go up against Israel AND THEY KNOW THIS. And do it anyway. You could spit outside your window in Isreal and hit 40 people in Palestine. You cant blame Israel for that. |
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
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Originally posted by Big Smoke
Funny how you jump from "Theyre stealing their land!!!" to "They just wanna exterminate everybody!!!" Like bruh...
Did I mention that said revolt happened in 1934?
Arabs and Jews have hated each other for decades, thats pretty much a fact, regardless of who started what. but NOW, Hamas know theyre playing a game that they cannot win. They dont have the military power, the man power and theyre cittizens are too packed together to go up against Israel AND THEY KNOW THIS. And do it anyway. You could spit outside your window in Isreal and hit 40 people in Palestine. You cant blame Israel for that. |
Why not? If Israel hadn't stolen so much of their land for settlements there would be a lot more breathing room.
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