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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
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Originally posted by LuLuDrops
I hope you're right. I don't know how anyone can swing from 'far-left' to Trump in one go.
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You can't. If anyone does that they were never far left to begin with, they were anti-Hillary.
Worth noting that people who do this tend to be poorly informed and unwilling to put actual thought into policy proposals.
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ATRL Senior Member
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Originally posted by Butters
How viable is Gary Johnson so far?
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Not really viable. He's down to around 6% in most 4-way polling, 6.7 on RCP's average. About the same with 3-way race numbers too.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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I think the impact of those unwilling to shift from Bernie to Hillary is overstated. They've been the focus of so much conversation yet they really don't deserve it tbh.
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Member Since: 4/6/2011
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Originally posted by Radiance
It's just the hard-core bernieorbust redditors that are doing that. Hillary was never going to convince them. She shouldn't even try.
But her recent outreach with the college plan, the public healthcare option, $15 minimum wage goal will go a long way to convince those that can be convinced.
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I agree but its scary how much Bernie's fans are only in it for HIM and no one else. Even when he says he will work with Hillary on policy and vote for her in November. They get angry and lash out at him for "giving up". It really is a cult type of behavior.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by Temporal
I think the impact of those unwilling to shift from Bernie to Hillary is overstated. They've been the focus of so much conversation yet they really don't deserve it tbh.
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That and, quite frankly, the polls aren't helping the idea of them being at all impactful.
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Member Since: 10/16/2005
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Originally posted by Reza
I agree but its scary how much Bernie's fans are only in it for HIM and no one else. Even when he says he will work with Hillary on policy and vote for her in November. They get angry and lash out at him for "giving up". It really is a cult type of behavior.
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Some of them are pretty laughable. I saw one supporter a few days ago that claimed that Bernie was the best candidate he has "ever" seen -- which sounded impressive until he revealed that he wasn't even old enough to vote. 
Many of those die-hard fans have only been politically active for 12 months or less. It's not surprising that they have no sense of compromise and political strategy.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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The Democratic Party Platform is really going IN on police reform. This was passed unanimously:
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Member Since: 4/6/2011
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Originally posted by LuLuDrops
The Democratic Party Platform is really going IN on police reform. This was passed unanimously:
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All they need to do is strap some cameras on the cops make sure the cops cant tamper with them and most of this mess will end. Cops will be held accountable and so will criminals. Why cant they see this? 
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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I honestly don't understand why the Democratic party is bending over backwards for a guy who became a democrat 2 years ago and LOST the democratic nomination by over 3 million votes. Why are they completely revamping the platform for him when the people voted for HILLARY's ideas? Make no mistake, I think some of Bernie's ideas were great, sure, but why should the dems go out of their way to include them on the platform because he lost? At this point, a Bernie endorsement is about as useful as any other endorsement Hillary had throughout the primaries, aka, not. No one cares that he endorses her. It's so petty and honestly upsets me.
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Member Since: 4/30/2012
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Originally posted by kingkylie
I honestly don't understand why the Democratic party is bending over backwards for a guy who became a democrat 2 years ago and LOST the democratic nomination by over 3 million votes. Why are they completely revamping the platform for him when the people voted for HILLARY's ideas? Make no mistake, I think some of Bernie's ideas were great, sure, but why should the dems go out of their way to include them on the platform because he lost? At this point, a Bernie endorsement is about as useful as any other endorsement Hillary had throughout the primaries, aka, not. No one cares that he endorses her. It's so petty and honestly upsets me.
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to be fair most people going hard for bernie are either independents/libertarians or first time voters who aren't really tied to a party.
i do understand that people are sick of the 2 party system because it can be a bit bothersome, so they're looking for ways to shake that up and that got delivered in the form of bernie or trump.
i agree a bernie endorsement is honestly pointless at this time, anyone who is holding out isn't going to vote for hillary anyway. and it is slightly sexist IMO that bernie is making his demands even though he lost in every single aspect and has no grounds to stand on. a man trying to get his way when a woman came out on top, what else is new tbh.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by kingkylie
I honestly don't understand why the Democratic party is bending over backwards for a guy who became a democrat 2 years ago and LOST the democratic nomination by over 3 million votes. Why are they completely revamping the platform for him when the people voted for HILLARY's ideas? Make no mistake, I think some of Bernie's ideas were great, sure, but why should the dems go out of their way to include them on the platform because he lost? At this point, a Bernie endorsement is about as useful as any other endorsement Hillary had throughout the primaries, aka, not. No one cares that he endorses her. It's so petty and honestly upsets me.
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Because the young people who voted for Bernie are the future and if they piss them off and abandon them, then that's a whole generation of voters they lose. Young people, in record numbers, don't identify with either party now.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by kingkylie
I honestly don't understand why the Democratic party is bending over backwards for a guy who became a democrat 2 years ago and LOST the democratic nomination by over 3 million votes. Why are they completely revamping the platform for him when the people voted for HILLARY's ideas? Make no mistake, I think some of Bernie's ideas were great, sure, but why should the dems go out of their way to include them on the platform because he lost? At this point, a Bernie endorsement is about as useful as any other endorsement Hillary had throughout the primaries, aka, not. No one cares that he endorses her. It's so petty and honestly upsets me.
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Because it's the future of the party. Bernie awakened a wing of American politics that the party wants to accommodate and win the trust of. It's that simple.
Also, he became a Democrat not even a year ago (November 2015).
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Member Since: 3/3/2011
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Originally posted by Mike91
Because the young people who voted for Bernie are the future and if they piss them off and abandon them, then that's a whole generation of voters they lose. Young people, in record numbers, don't identify with either party now.
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Its more that young people don't vote; not that they don't identify with either party.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Bernie changed the Democratic Party. Hillary is the person with the connections and experience to get it done day one. It's the perfect combo IMO.
He and all progressives basically pushed her to the left on health care, college tuition, and most likely climate change next. There is no need for a moderate candidate now. Might as well push this far-left agenda now. She's the most liberal nominee for POTUS maybe of all time based on her proposals. WOW.
And Bernie's endorsement goes a long way. It's not about her credibility. It's about a clear vision for America, and Bernie will cosign and say, "Hey. We can't be certain she's the champion we need, but she has worked hard to get the movement on board. She's needs our support to win." That's his leverage. He won. She won. America won tbh.
I think most of you forget that the people who voted for Hillary voted mainly for party loyalty and her experience and electability factor. Half, maybe more, of the party was fine with Bernie's policies. It was his lack of knowledge and unfamiliarity that caused him to lose. Bernie and Trump were created BY THE PEOPLE. The movement was already there.
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I'm glad Hillary adopted some of Bernie's ideas. I've always liked him I just hated what his following turned into (a hateful, sad, delusional group of mostly reddit-type people). I just could not associate myself with that. But now I feel like I'm voting for an even better candidate than Hillary used to be (although I obviously thought she was exceptional before this).
Really hope this endorsement happens on Tuesday it'll be so nice seeing the candidates united at the DNC as opposed to the mess the RNC is with what seems like GOP members announcing every other day that they won't attend.
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Member Since: 3/3/2011
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Yep, I'm happy about the unity process that has been undertaken.
I like the concessions that Hillary has made. Free college tuition to poorer families and promoting a public healthcare option are very good ideas. Doubtful they'll get passed, but good regardless.
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Member Since: 4/6/2011
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Originally posted by kingkylie
I honestly don't understand why the Democratic party is bending over backwards for a guy who became a democrat 2 years ago and LOST the democratic nomination by over 3 million votes. Why are they completely revamping the platform for him when the people voted for HILLARY's ideas? Make no mistake, I think some of Bernie's ideas were great, sure, but why should the dems go out of their way to include them on the platform because he lost? At this point, a Bernie endorsement is about as useful as any other endorsement Hillary had throughout the primaries, aka, not. No one cares that he endorses her. It's so petty and honestly upsets me.
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Hillary isn't stupid. She needs his voters. Once she becomes POTUS she will throw his plans out of the window and unveil her own five part agenda 
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Radiance
Its more that young people don't vote; not that they don't identify with either party.
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I was reading that most young people don't identify with either party now and that only half of our generation identify as republican or democrat. Plus, democrats only make up like 29% of the electorate anyways.
And I think Hillary realizes she's going to have no choice but to start getting things done during the next 4 years because if this anger doesn't subside, it's only going to get worse. Republicans should realize it too because their own constituancy overwhelmingly rejected their candidates. It's starting to become about more than conservative vs. liberal politics now and more about people sick of the way government is working.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Bernie's endorsement is not pointless. I may not like the man but his endorsement does carry weight. it brings positive media coverage her way and will eventually lead to campaigning together down the road which will help bring over the Bernie supporters who still haven't committed to her yet.
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