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Tournament: ATRL's Next Top Member | Fin. Thanks ya'll.
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Sorry y'all. Like I mentioned before I underestimated how busy my work load was going to be this weekend. Hoping to update with something, at least comments, tonight for I THINK I'll be home earlier than usual tonight.
I'm literally a walking zombie right now 
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It's okay Matty 
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ATRL Senior Member
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From the way Cupid was texting me earlier, I thought ATRL was shut down while we upgraded 
I misunderstood what he meant, and I'm very disappointed
Either way, lemme get comments posted. No comments from me this week; obviously. I'm going to quickly read the entries to atleast give LAST minute scores/ranks so things can be balanced. Even though elimination has already begun discussion.
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ATRL Moderator
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Jenny I even said it probably won't be shut down tonight.
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ATRL Senior Member
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Kay I have to go to college in 10 minutes 
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ATRL Moderator
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Originally posted by Matty
Even though elimination has already begun discussion.
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Pray for Matty ha sleep deprivation.
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ATRL Senior Member
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Originally posted by Cupid
Jenny I even said it probably won't be shut down tonight.
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I read it as you said Athens had like shut down the forum because it wasn't loading and was going to begin the updates for beta. I was reading it while talking to people though, so mind me.
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Originally posted by Subomie
"begun"
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Originally posted by Cupid
Pray for Matty ha sleep deprivation.
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I'm confused? Elimination discussion has already begun; you even sent out the PM's for me [Cupid]
Begun - past participle of begin.
Begin - to proceed to perform the first or earliest part of some action; commence; start
"Even though elimination has already begun discussion"
"Even though we have begun discussing the elimination"
Same thing in my head at this point... leave me alone.
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It just doesn't read properly, it's confusing my brain.
You make it sound like elimination is discussing. Pray for Cupid his sleep deprivation.
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Originally posted by Cupid
It just doesn't read properly, it's confusing my brain.
You make it sound like elimination is discussing. Pray for Cupid his sleep deprivation.
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But we [technically you all] have already been discussing the elimination.
#PrayForSleep #LordKnowsMattyNeedsIt
[sarcasm]I'm willing to give immunity to someone who wants to make me a new avatar.[/sarcasm]
Go search through Grace Helbig's recent videos and make a funny scene an avatar for me 
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I would but i'm currently making a new one, you know, because I never change my avi..
Unless you would like it.. 
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ATRL Senior Member
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ATRL's Next Top Member Cycle 13 | EP9: Judges Comments
EPISODE 9: MOD POTENTIAL
THE COMMENTS
CITRUS says...
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This is actually a wonderful idea. I love like, every bit of this. It’s cute, not super duper intensive, and I could definitely see it fostering better communication between the members and the mod staff. Lord knows we need it; Matty is terrifying. :dancehall3:
Matty side-comment: Bitch, I'm a ****ing delight! *holds up knife*
Subomie
Eh. I’ve seen this entry before, but at least you’re recycling, #GoGreen. I personally don’t really think a chat feature would work out too well considering all the *ahem* messiness that occurs whenever there’s an ATRL Tinychat (no comments, please). But after you explained it, I definitely liked it a lot more. While I’m still not completely sold, I’ve warmed to the idea.
Sam
Why couldn’t we just make co-signing a warnable offense? (Tho tbh I don’t see the big deal with co-signing, people do too much). The reputation system has been proposed before, though I like that there’s no negative component. If entries had reputation systems, this would get an “Eh” from me.
Superpower
This reminds me of CBXC’s Next Big Event entry from Cycle 10: Heartfelt, intuitive, and completely impractical. But, just for you, I’m gonna suspend my disbelief and just give in to the multiculturalism. A wonderful, wonderful idea that I would love to (somehow) see implemented. Bless.
Era
Hm…This is a really cool idea, but less practical than pretty much every other one. I don’t see how ATRL could handle the licensing necessary to have access to all of that music, unless ATRL is just, like, streaming from Youtube or Spotify or something? Idk how that would work because I’m not technologically oriented. But I wish you had explicated that point.
JakeKills
Dddd @ “nothing else like it.” To be fair, I would’ve made the same mistake you did. However, this just doesn’t feel as big compared to other ideas. It’s much more practical than some others, but also a lot less exciting. The interesting case where ambition should’ve triumphed over pragmatism.
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SUPASPAZ says...
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Sorry, I need to rant for a second. How is it that with help requests, ATRL HQ and open walls, we’re still not available enough for some members? I understand that we have our shortcomings, but if you haven’t figured out how to make the system work for you, then you’re probably not trying or not paying attention. I could sit next to some of these members and tell them not to post something because it will get warned, and they would still complain about the abusive mods and our biased moderating.
But I digress: This is is a cute concept. While I resent the notion that it’s needed because members are otherwise unable to communicate with us, I could see a monthly Q&A helping to positively develop the community relationship, especially if it’s something fun rather than another venue for complaints to be aired.
Subomie
I think some version of this existed many, many moons ago; I imagine a lot of members would enjoy having it back. The challenge is in the implementation: It seems like chats could either add to the ATRL experience or completely change what the forum is about. There is also the moderating aspect, as you pointed out. How do we make it fit the guidelines and spirit of our discussions without creating a whole bunch more labor? The way you’ve set it up sounds like a retread of base, but there’s a lot to work with here. And I’m dying at your sample conversations (though the Supaspaz Haters Society would probably have a lot more active participation than my fan club).
Sam
Members have been agitating for a reputation system on ATRL for years and it always gets shot down. I highly doubt it’s ever going to happen. From my understanding, though, there’s a lot more to it than this. What you’re describing seems more like a Facebook like. If it was subtle, or even private, perhaps that could work on the forum. But I’m not sure that it would address the problem that you’ve spelled out, because people co-sign posts for more reasons than just that they enjoy what’s been said. And I certainly don’t want the site to devolve into a popularity contest.
Superpower
Do those plug-ins actually work? Because the more I think about it, the more this seems like a great idea for ATRL. I’m not sure how many members are feeling left out because of their English skills, but I’m sure there are at least some who could use the translate function to better express themselves and participate in discussions. I love that you came up with something that could really benefit the forum in a direct way. It’s so unobtrusive—nothing about the site has to change—but the impact could be huge.
Era
Do we have the technical capacity to pull this of? Probably not. (And that’s not even accounting for our tragic server.) But I wish this was real now. I often listen to music when I’m on ATRL or otherwise browsing the web; frequently it’s for a rate, but when I have no inspiration, I just flip over to YouTube’s recommended videos hoping for an idea. This would be such a fun alternative. More importantly, it would be awesome to have a feature like this that takes the site to the next level while emphasizing our roots. Bringing the community together, promoting the contributions of our members, discovering new songs or artists, reaffirming that this is a forum about our shared love of pop music not six packs—all of these outcomes would be wonderful.
JakeKills
This could be a cool feature in and of itself—unique, informative, a starting point for discussion and a way to advance our mission of celebrating pop music. (While it might clean up some anniversary thread clutter, that seems like a rather minor problem.) But what really gets me excited about your idea is making it. I enjoy the big threads and events that bring the whole forum together; I think we need more of that in an era of endless stan wars. Having an ongoing project that members could contribute to and take ownership of would fit in nicely.
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CUPID says...
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Hmm.. Mod Talk. At first I thought it was a pretty intriguing idea. I kind of liked the idea of doing a Q&A. But the more I think about it, the more I think it's not really needed. The main reason being that we have HQ. This is basically a thread for mods and members to communicate. Regarding the mods abusing their power thing, I can assure you that all complaints about a mods behaviour get immediately flagged to the admins. The other issue I have is that you want to get all the mods present at the same time, this would be virtually impossible. Everybody on the staff are from different time zones, which is probably why we're all on staff together, because we can cover different times of the site to moderate. You'd probably get 4 or 5 of us at the same time (if you're lucky). What confuses me is that you didn't really give any examples of what kind of complaints/things we'd be talking about. We already have a channel for WP inquiries, reporting staff abuse, requesting things like OP's etc (Help Requests). And we already have a channel to discuss rules and communicate with staff (HQ). So what exactly would we do in Mod Talk? We wouldn't be allowed to discuss WP's or threads because those are only allowed in Help Requests. So it would essentially just be talk about the rules? Which would basically just be members complaining every month that we're too strict. I'm failing to see what outcome would actually come of this tbh.
Subomie
Oh hey.. an ATRL chat.. Seems familiar.... @Superpower - I did it first. In Season 1. Season 2 copied me. Bad bitch status. But yeah, I remember creating this idea a year ago but I won't hold it against you as you probably never saw that thread, hihi. Firstly, I doubt YTT will ever be demolished, nice try jan. I really love your idea of having rooms and I love the little designs you made. My only problem with it, which is a big one, is what you mentioned.. Moderation. I just can't fathom a reality where we will be able to moderate real-time chat rooms on a site this big. The staff do an amazing job at moderating the forum but there's only 14 of us, we can't be everywhere at once, as you often see when messy threads sometimes run on too long etc. Our members, especially the new batch and the thirsty ones, are just far too messy. It would become NHB/SYG/PYP/Dirty Talk all rolled into one. The member side of me is like, yasss this would be a kii. But the reality is that there's just no way this could happen. Especially given our crack down on graphic content due to the advertisers. I'm sure the admins would never allow this. I mean, just look what happened to private blogs, people can't even behave in those. I fear that people would make their own clique rooms and the forum would end up deserted whilst everyone is messy in there.
Sam
My initial reaction to this is "what is he talking about?" co-signing (warned/flamebait) posts is warnable. I warn them all the time. The trouble is that certain smileys are a grey area. For example posting "" isn't the same as posting " " the latter will probably get you warned. It also depends entirely on the context of the post you're quoting and the state of the thread at the time, but all moderation is subjective. My issue with a reputation/love system is that people will now just go excessively out of their way to create messy posts to try and get "points". Also, if somebody posts an extremely racist, or horrible post, and then people love it. They're technically avoiding a WP. We shouldn't allow people to be able to co-sign stuff like that and get away with it. I like the fact that it would potentially free up "this" or "." "!" posts but the reality is that it'd more than likely just be a feature that gets abused, sadly.
Superpower
kii at the Kylie reference. Okay so on first impressions I really love this idea. I've literally just finished replying to a help request where somebody got warned in the Spanish thread for Flamebait, their excuse was "people don't report in there" - a lot of the time these language threads get abused because people think the mods don't know what they're saying, or they'll say something using lingo from their native tongue. People also clique up in there and don't report each other, thinking they can get away with it. No henny's, we're onto you. Something like this would make my life so much easier. Not only that, but like you said, there's a lot of users whose English isn't the best, so something like this would give them so much more confidence to post across the forum. My only concern is that it'd have to be a damn good piece of software that can correctly translate stuff. Because if not, it could cause problems if we potentially warn something that has been translated wrong etc.
Era
Not many people know this, but I actually created an online ATRL Radio Station. I was about to PM my idea to the mods when I discovered one big flaw. You have to actually pay to stream these songs, and a lot of money. After reading your entry I do think, as an idea, it's great. Being able to play music from your computer or have other members play and you listen is great in theory. It brings up a multitude of problems though. What if a member plays a leaked/unreleased song on the radio? ATRL would be hit with a lawsuit fast. Who's going to play to have these songs streamed? ATRL admins already pay a lot and do a lot of work, i'm certainly not gonna pay. And what if somebody plays 1989? Taylor Nation would shut us down so fast. If there was some way that ATRL could actually host the database of songs itself, and when you play, you could ONLY select songs from the approved database, then I could see it working. But that just leads us to the issue of paying for those streams. Like I said, a great idea in theory though.
JakeKills
This is essentially something we do on the @atrl twitter. Lee!! has been doing the TRL throwbacks for a long time and he's amazing with them. I do a couple of "on this day" tweets a week, just music stuff or important events. I'm not against bringing the idea to ATRL though, I just question whether it warrants it's own thread. After reading the benefits section I do think it'd be a good replacement to all those "___ turns 12" "___ birthday" threads, some of them are interesting but the majority are just boring. I find this hard because personally it's never really been something that really interests me, unless it's a cool fact about my fav. But I can see the appeal for other people. I wouldn't be opposed to this actually being made. Although i'm not sure about being stickied, Base is already quite cluttered up at the top. Maybe it can find a home after the upgrade.
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Umich & Matty do not have comments this challenge. Have ranked/scored though.
Stay tuned tomorrow for the elimination
Fierce and Love
- Matty
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i dont think i wanna read these
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Originally posted by Cupid
I would but i'm currently making a new one, you know, because I never change my avi..
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I want Grace, not Kylie [Minogue]
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My essays this round though.
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Originally posted by Matty
I want Grace, not Kylie [Minogue] |
Reported for trolling. Kylie is a straight sex icon.
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Member Since: 9/16/2011
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Seems like we're all on pretty equal footing after glimpsing through those. Are we getting comments from the portfolio judges tonight, too?
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Member Since: 9/4/2012
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Thank you for the comments judges, not as bad as I was expecting so let me hope my portfolio is enough to keep me safe.
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Cupid + I being concerned about money, pragmatic queens.
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