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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
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Originally posted by lightstheyblindme
Yes, she could have done what Trump and Bernie did which was promise to bring back industrial jobs (specifically coal jobs in Trump's case). instead she said she would introduce a re-education program to bring clean energy jobs and information-based jobs to the Rust Belt. for obvious reasons, this did not resonate with the Rust Belt voters who felt they did not have time to learn a new trade when they needed to feed their families right now and felt that they shouldn't have to learn a new trade when the Rust Belt was already uniquely well-suited to industrial jobs
she promised glibly to keep special interests out of politics but these promises felt insincere when
(1) Trump and Bernie had concrete proposals about how they would do this - Trump by placing a term limit on representatives and Bernie by working to pass legislation to keep dark money out of elections and
(2) Hillary was a known close associate of Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street corporations
also she spent 0 time talking about how she would work with and empower labor unions in her presidency which was a huge part of Bernie's message
not to mention the fact that Hillary physically ignored them on the campaign trail
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But what do you proposed Hillary do? Industrial jobs isn't reliable, especially coal and these folks are gonna to be really upset when he can't do it in the end. The reeducation program was her helping hand. Understandable if you can't really take up a new training and job but still. Folks in my hometown area/county face the declining steel jobs. But they didn't suddenly start going for Trump, they voted Hillary decisively.
I don't get why folks would be "eh" on Hillary's establishment relationship and association with Wall Street and not Trump literally being a billionaire who didn't pay taxes, with no strong record on charitable givings, etc. But **** happens I guess.
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Originally posted by Artemisia
NE is so ****ing off his rocker lmfaooooooo i am gagging. rejecting the blatant white nationalist core of trump's candidacy and legitimizing White America's racist paranoia in a single post because he still harbors resentment for a white woman who lost the election weeks ago
stop trying to act relieved she lost, that her loss is somehow a silver lining, like you took a deep breath and exhaled when the results rolled in and said "phew, at least hillary clinton isn't president"
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yes Trump ran a very racist campaign in order to feed into white anxiety about diminishing white supremacy. this is how he turned up voter turnout.
but there's also the separate issue of how he got voters that voted for Obama to vote for him. you can't explain away those voters with just racism, so clearly there's something else going on here as well. with these voters, Trump addressed their economic anxiety head-on while Hillary tip-toed around it. she tried to sell them the idea that she would deliver a 3rd Obama term and that it would be good for everyone but these Rust Belters saw a decrease in prosperity while the rest of the nation saw an increase in prosperity. it's no surprise that these people gave her the middle finger on election day.
the truly despicable demographic in this election was college educated white voters who benefitted the most from the Obama presidency, and saw the greatest increase in wealth but still turned around and voted overwhelmingly for Trump. for these people, racism and sexism is the only explanation 
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Member Since: 6/19/2012
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Originally posted by Dessy Fenix
My problem with this whole working class business is that PoC are being pushed aside in favor of this broad brush. We're not really involved in discussion talking about working class. No one is talking about how to reach out to poor black folks in the rural South or poor Hispanics in Texas, Arizona and Florida. The fact that the working class as a group voted for Hillary is barely mentioned too. We can pretend that Bernie message is to help everyone (and I believe he's trying to) but really his message is "How dare you ignored these poor rural whites in the Rust Belt. Now pay the price for 'identity politics' "
That's just how I see it.
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You are absolutely correct. People of color make up the working class, too, and they didn't vote for their demise. The white working class did.
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Originally posted by Dessy Fenix
My problem with this whole working class business is that PoC are being pushed aside in favor of this broad brush. We're not really involved in discussion talking about working class. No one is talking about how to reach out to poor black folks in the rural South or poor Hispanics in Texas, Arizona and Florida. The fact that the working class as a group voted for Hillary is barely mentioned too. We can pretend that Bernie message is to help everyone (and I believe he's trying to) but really his message is "How dare you ignored these poor rural whites in the Rust Belt. Now pay the price for 'identity politics' "
That's just how I see it.
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The thing is, I see a lot of Democrats show support for minorities and women during elections, but once actually elected, I do not see the support targeted at POC when it comes to policy. Most of Obama's accomplishments were focused on helping as much as people as they can or fixing the whole economy, such as the Affordable Care Act, the Stimulus Package, credit card reform, etc.
I'm not saying Hillary should have ignored Black Lives Matter, but maybe she should not have called Americans deplorable (Out of context, I know but still). Maybe she shouldn't have told people that America is already great. Maybe touting her gender as the only different thing about Obama isn't the best.
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Originally posted by RickyH.
Much of this rubs me the wrong way. Many liberals (myself included) don't outright support illegal immigration; rather we support an accessible path to immigration, versus outright deportation, which leads to splitting up families, hurting those involved, &etc. I care about humans other than myself. Also it takes understanding to see that "radical Islam," as you called it, is a tiny, minuscule sect of Islam, a religion practiced by over 1.7 billion people around the world. To undermine the religion itself out of an objection to "political correctness" would be saying that Christianity is an inherently violent religion that has a warranted a reaction such as "terrified," due to small groups of extremists like the Westboro Baptist Church or other similar, hateful groups that in no way define the entire religion. Furthermore, what do you mean "deal with a Black president for 8 years, they weren't about to be ignored for another 4?" Is it necessary to "deal" with someone due to the pigmentation in their skin? Are you/these people unable to see past someone's race and look at the (very successful and renowned) policies they put in place, further perpetuating the stereotype that some of the Republican party is racist at heart? Is it too much for you/these people to have someone in power that is not a white, middle-to-late aged male?
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To clarify, I'm a pro-Black POC lol.
I don't agree to how White America feels about most of these issues, I was playing devil's advocate because liberals keep living in La La Land and letting things fly over their head.
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lol im heated. I apologize to everyone for being rude
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
The thing is, I see a lot of Democrats show support for minorities and women during elections, but once actually elected, I do not see the support targeted at POC when it comes to policy. Most of Obama's accomplishments were focused on helping as much as people as they can or fixing the whole economy, such as the Affordable Care Act, the Stimulus Package, credit card reform, etc.
I'm not saying Hillary should have ignored Black Lives Matter, but maybe she should not have called Americans deplorable (Out of context, I know but still). Maybe she shouldn't have told people that America is already great. Maybe touting her gender as the only different thing about Obama isn't the best.
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Yeah Dems tend to do minimal stuff with minorities specifically and they need to change it (or not since we grew a fetish for bashing identity politics now.) The deplorable thing was definitely a mistake given how folks took it and made Hillary looks even more elitist even though she basically said the "PC version" of what PoC are thinking anyway 
A bit ironic that Trump "says what he feels" and proceed to insult basically every group except Asians (somehow) but Hillary is being truthful for once and it's "this DEPLORABLE SAYS lock her up!"
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Bernie Sanders: There is no "silver lining in Trump's victory"
He knows. It'll be a tough term for the working class.
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Women drop out of science and maths in alarming numbers, not because there are sinister and mysterious patriarchal forces at play, but because they either can’t cut it in highly competitive environments or they simply change their minds about what they want from life.
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So by rights that cap on female places should – if we’re feeling optimistic – be set at between 5 and 10 per cent. Any higher and we’re giving in to ideology and social engineering, rather than looking at what the numbers say and respecting women’s choices.
I’m not sure how I feel about segregation, personally. But I’m intrigued by the idea of shuffling girls off separately and seeing what the sisterly, communitarian approach to learning Grossman describes would produce, versus a lab of obsessive, relentlessly hyper-competitive boys.
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...nce-and-maths/
This is one the biggest pieces of **** that I have ever read.  Can the Democrats just be united against this ********?
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I love how people ran with the whole "Hillary's called millions of hard working Americans deplorable" when she clearly put them in the other basket that's of people who've been let down by the government. If you feel offended by that comment after reading the full quote then you really are deplorable.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Artemisia
lol im heated. I apologize to everyone for being rude
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at least you're making good points unlike DivaDown who is rude but making no goddamn sense whatsoever
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by Dessy Fenix
Yeah Dems tend to do minimal stuff with minorities specifically and they need to change it (or not since we grew a fetish for bashing identity politics now.) The deplorable thing was definitely a mistake given how folks took it and made Hillary looks even more elitist even though she basically said the "PC version" of what PoC are thinking anyway
A bit ironic that Trump "says what he feels" and proceed to insult basically every group except Asians (somehow) but Hillary is being truthful for once and it's "this DEPLORABLE SAYS lock her up!" |
Don't forget Mike Pence needs his safe space!!!
Hillary was probably right about the deplorables. but it's not good politics 
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
I love how people ran with the whole "Hillary's called millions of hard working Americans deplorable" when she clearly put them in the other basket that's of people who've been let down by the government. If you feel offended by that comment after reading the full quote then you really are deplorable.
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This was probably one of the most looked over things in the election. Even funnier that her comment was basically backed by actual statistics some of which suggested that the actual numbers of "deplorable" are higher 
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Originally posted by Chemical X.
let me bump this for Sunshine  didn't write a long-ass response for nothing |
Thanks baby, I leaned quite a bit. Honestly, they probably benefit from sexism (in a reverse warholian way) due to people overlooking their opinions and general voting patterns and attributing their messiness to "straight white men" that they're with.
Now I'm curious what would happen if they were called out.
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
Hillary's popular vote lead is now at 2 million.
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Honestly, something needs to be done about this. I'm not comfortable with it.
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This is one of those "why are liberals so nice" moments. Cause DONALD would NOT accept such a disparity.
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Didn't Donald give an interview today saying with should do it by the popular vote? But he also said he would do equal or better. A mess and a half tbh
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Can someone post the full deplorables comment / speech? I never saw the whole thing.
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Originally posted by Dessy Fenix
Didn't Donald give an interview today saying with should do it by the popular vote? But he also said he would do equal or better. A mess and a half tbh |
Ugh. I'm sad all over again. 
This DUMBASS is our president 
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Thr alt-right leader is ugly. What a waste of Aryan genes mess
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