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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Artemisia
It's very possible that I will be 30 when Trump leaves office. that scares the **** out of me
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noo same 
I'd like to thing he'd only be a one term president, but at this point, who knows.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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I'm still shook at the electoral landslide while losing the popular vote. A first
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Member Since: 8/30/2011
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Originally posted by Lebanese Dude
Hollywood should spend the next four years relentlessly mocking Trump.
Trumpets are so easily pressed by celebrities. Just look at what Amy Schumer's post did to their sensitive weak souls.
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No mocking -- they just need to respond to what he is trying to do with respectful dissent.
Mocking Trump will just make white people like him more.
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
Posts: 27,830
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Originally posted by iHype.
I'm actually genuinely questioning; how could Bernie have demolished Trump the way people are saying?
I honestly feel like he would've lost harder than Hillary. Presidential Debates would've ruined him imo, Trump would've literally trolled him and I could honestly see him breaking down in tears angry or something.  He just wasn't good with expressing in debates from what I saw, and I liked him.
Also wasn't he constantly touted as liberal, and the extreme for Democrats. I'd see white America voting for the extreme for Republicans before extreme for Democrats anyday, since as you can see they are attracted to that trash.
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He was an outsider. That's literally ALL that mattered this election. People were tired of the establishment and career politicians and wanted someone new. Bernie was that person. Can't go back now though.
Just wanna point out that this thread HATED that word but that's honestly what it came down to: the establishment. The DNC ruined this election
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Member Since: 8/29/2012
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Originally posted by hooky
I just calculated how the EVs would fall if every EV was allocated proportionally to how each state voted. If you won more than half of an electoral vote, you win that whole vote.
Clinton: 260
Trump: 258
Johnson: 9
Stein: 1
McMullin: 1
Unassigned: 9 (no one got more than half of the EV for these, so no one actually got it)
So here, there's a technical Hillary victory. However, she is 10 short of 270.
The unassigned electors should therefore be left up to the states to decide what to do with. They could allow the elector to vote for whomever, have the state legislature vote on who the elector will vote for, etc.
Let's assume that the unassigned electors are assigned to whomever won their state:
Trump: 264
Clinton: 263
Johnson: 9
Stein: 1
McMullin: 1
So Trump actually takes the lead if unassigned electors are assigned to their state's winner.
The reason there's some unassigned votes in the first place is because for some EVs, no one got more than half of that vote. Rounding to the tenth place:
Clinton: 261
Trump: 260
Johnson: 11
Stein: 1
McMullin: 1
Unassigned: 4
Assigning these unassigned votes to their states' winners, we get:
Trump: 263
Clinton: 262
Johnson: 11
Stein: 1
McMullin: 1
Now, if we just give the EVs to whoever was the closest to that EV in the original scenario:
Trump: 262
Clinton: 261
Johnson: 12
Stein: 2
McMullin: 1
So in ANY of these cases (assuming all electors vote the way they're assigned to), the election would go to the next Congress, which means Hillary would NEVER be elected 
What could happen if the election went to the next Congress? Since Republicans control both chambers, in a normal election cycle the House would elect the Republican presidential candidate and the Senate would elect their running mate. With the Republicans' presidential candidate being Trump, and since each state gets one vote when the House elects the president, the Republican-controlled House could stall by splitting the vote, not coming to a consensus in a tie for a state, or both. The Senate will then vote for VP the way they vote for anything else. Pence then could easily become our acting President by a slight majority. However, if some moderate Republicans don't feel like he's fit to run the country, they could split the vote, which could result in a tie or Kaine being elected as the VP. In a tie, the sitting VP, as the Senate's tiebreaking vote, would vote, and obviously this would also result in Kaine being elected VP.
Obviously, the race does change if proportional EV allocation is used. This would result in no more swing states, as every EV in every state would become important.
TL;DR: If the electoral college voted proportional to the vote of the states they came from with the popular vote results from this election, Clinton and Trump would be within 2 electoral votes of each other no matter what, and no one would reach 270. The election would then go to the new House for president and the new Senate for VP. If the House is gridlocked, we'd most likely get President Pence  |
They need to update it to reflect the proportions (I don't like the winner takes all aspect of the EC) or just get rid of the whole system (doubt it cuz this country loves tradition.)
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Member Since: 12/22/2009
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Originally posted by Toxicity.
I feel like my American Pride has died. I can't believe I religiously used to stand for the pledge of allegiance, the anthem. They hate us here. There's no hope for us in this country.
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Same, but hey it's only half of those voters. So it isn't all of the country. Also they can't stop change it's kind of inevitable! They'll have to accept that we're all one sooner or later.
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Member Since: 5/8/2012
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Originally posted by iHype.
I'm actually genuinely questioning; how could Bernie have demolished Trump the way people are saying?
I honestly feel like he would've lost harder than Hillary. Presidential Debates would've ruined him imo, Trump would've literally trolled him and I could honestly see him breaking down in tears angry or something. He just wasn't good with expressing in debates from what I saw, and I liked him.
Also wasn't he constantly touted as liberal, and the extreme for Democrats. I'd see white America voting for the extreme for Republicans before extreme for Democrats anyday, since as you can see they are attracted to that trash.
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The types of attacks that Trump is used to (doesn't care about the common people, establishment, corrupt, elite, dishonest), none of that would've worked for Bernie. Bernie would've done a lot better in the rust belt from what we saw in the primaries. Worse in the south. He would have had to run an entirely different campaign, more focused on policy.
Bernie also had the populism and enthusiasm behind him not seen in Hillary supporters but seen in Trumpsters.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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I've barely posted in this thread and last night I cried harder than I've cried since I was 9 and my grandmother died.
I just want everyone to know, I love each and every one of you. I don't really know anyone too well, but we're all going to get through this together somehow. The sun's going to keep rising and the earth's going to keep spinning and we're going to keep fighting.
I'm still afraid for my family and friends who were not born here and I'm afraid for myself as a person of color, but I won't show it. I'll still fight every day for what's right and I hope you all do as well. Progress was made these past few years, and it's not going to be taken away without a long hard fight. So get ready because our journey is not over.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by Artemisia
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1) There are several anecdote in there.
2) Most of that data is from the primary election (Nate Silver's income data), the general election voters are what I am talking about.
3) I'm not talking about all of Trump voters, I am talking about the swing voters. The people that voted for Barrack Obama. You can't judge a person to be racist based on their votes, when they voted for the first black president , but not two white people on the ticket. Barrack Obama literally ran against Hillary in 2008, and said we can't trust her. Now you think people that listened to him are racist, because they didn't vote for two white people on the ticket? One of which called black people super predators, supported the crime bill and welfare reform.
4) It is not just about reaching out to Trump voters, but it is really about reaching out to the Obama voters that didn't show up this time. This includes the black vote that turned out less this year.
Edit: Yes , a handful of his supporters, it is about race. Yes, the rest have implicit bias. According to HRC, we all have implicit bias, including Democrats. We don't need to win over all his voters. We don't even need to win 1/2 his voters. Just a good chunk of the swing voters he. That and get the people that stayed home to show up.
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Member Since: 9/9/2012
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I will never trust another statistic again.
Bitch, I trusted that site more than I trust half my family.
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Member Since: 9/13/2012
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Originally posted by Temporal
If Dems managed to slay in 2006, does that give us any hope for 2018?  |
If Trump's first 2 years are truly a disaster, maybe.
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Member Since: 9/13/2012
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What do you guys think Trump's approval rating will peak at? I say 40
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Member Since: 9/9/2012
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by hellocory
What do you guys think Trump's approval rating will peak at? I say 40
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probably in the 20s
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Am I the only one who thinks his mass deportation force will lead to crime sprees?
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Member Since: 1/4/2012
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Her popular vote just keeps on growing...
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Quote:
Originally posted by iHype.
I'm actually genuinely questioning; how could Bernie have demolished Trump the way people are saying?
I honestly feel like he would've lost harder than Hillary. Presidential Debates would've ruined him imo, Trump would've literally trolled him and I could honestly see him breaking down in tears angry or something. He just wasn't good with expressing in debates from what I saw, and I liked him.
Also wasn't he constantly touted as liberal, and the extreme for Democrats. I'd see white America voting for the extreme for Republicans before extreme for Democrats anyday, since as you can see they are attracted to that trash.
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It's all hypothetical. Yea, Bernie was polling way ahead of Clinton a few months ago. Sure, it is possible, that the polls would have shorten once the GOP started attacking him. I was a fan of that argument 10 months ago.
Right now, I am not so certain. For that assumption to be true, the election would have to be about issues. The general election has been the least substantive discussion that I can remember. We barely ever talked about policy. Every debate and journalist was always talking about one of two things.
1. Emails/wikileaks and other gaffes by HRC
2. Something controversial Trump said that week
Bernie would have killed it, but he is consistently seen as having strong integrity. This election seems to be about personal qualities, i.e. "who do you trust?" or "who is qualified?" not "what policies do you agree with?".
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Member Since: 1/4/2012
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Originally posted by Toxicity.
I feel like my American Pride has died. I can't believe I religiously used to stand for the pledge of allegiance, the anthem. They hate us here. There's no hope for us in this country.
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I feel you..
Very very sad times are ahead of us.
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Member Since: 4/4/2014
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Originally posted by Artemisia
I was ready to be super proud of the United States for rejecting the white nationalist direction Europe is headed for in favor of a multicultural, intersectional progressive society.
I'm pissed lol, Hillary's platform was a lot to get excited for. And we said no for what, exactly?
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crooked emails? i guess?
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by hellocory
No. Dems are lazy when it comes to midterm votes
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That's now how it works, see 2006.
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