No Vevo is the best thing to use to consider what is iconic and memorable when it comes to old music music/videos from 80s, 90s, and early 00s. That's why MJ her brother has a lot of songs that reached 100m views. Artists like Bon Jovi and Aerosmith had at least a song passes 100m views and they peaked before youtube era too. You know why? Because they made impact and memorable things.
If you bothered to check you would see Janets vevo is useless and not all her songs are even on it.. And a good portion of the ones that are uploaded are blocked in a lot of countries..
Madonna is bigger than Janet, but it does not mean that Janet is forgotten. Madonna is the best selling female artist of all time so I don't get your point The fact that Madonna is even considered as one of her peers says something.
VEVO means nothing. Be sure her fans from the good times has no time watching her videos on Youtube all day.
Agree with you.
You really are appealing to Internet (video, streaming) to talk about "iconic" songs/artists?
Do you know internet and the social media are not any reflect for anything in the world?
Internet is the most segregated media in the history, there's definitely one kind of people who use the internet the most: the young people. Exactly the one who is constantly cared about stupid things like that.
Madonna and Janet, both, appeal from a different kind of people. If you wanna know, then go to some clubs and watch the people dance.
What Have You Done For Me Lately
Nasty
That's The Way Love Goes
Together Again
All For You
It's a FACT that she only has 5 global Top 10 hits and only Together Again barely managed to sweep the top spots. Sorry but miss janet does not have any global classic. Accept the truth and move on. Girl has great legacy and impact, but being a global phenomenon is not one of them.
We're talking global phenomenons here, that means males, females and groups. Most of Janet's sales come from the US and anglophone countries. If high album sales makes you a global phenomenon then I guess Utada Hikaru is one as well.
Only I have never changed my opinion since I have NEVER addressed Xtina as a "global phenomenon" cause she is not and never will be one. If you can bring proof of me stating she is one, then bring it, I'll wait. This isn't about an act being local or global, I already stated what a global phenomenon is above, feel tree to read it slow and carefully in order for your brain to process it successfully this time.
Your desperation is painful to endure and hilarious at the same time. Spare me the disgust of having to deal with you again, thanks in advance.
Utada Hikaru is a phenomenon. She holds the record for highest global first week sales despite releasing in only one country. Michael Jackson, The Beatles, Britney Spears, Madonna, etc. haven't managed that.
Do you really want me to search through thousands of posts just because you're being two-faced to drag some Janet stans?
My desperation? You came in to a thread I was in first and started another diatribe about some artist that you dislike while trying to pretend you've never stanned for anyone with less success. I'm just calling you on your hypocrisy and if that really makes you so insecure that you have to personally insult me (which, by the way, are mild and inoffensive yet it is a kii seeing you struggle to "drag" me), then stop being so hypocritical
Yes, the gif is very appropriate in a number of situations:
1. You having nothing to say when I challenged you to compare the sales of Her peers' R&B albums to their Pop albums.
2. You thinking peaks and certs is the only determinant of popularity. Kylie has more top 10 hits across several European countries than Whitney, Celine, and Mariah. Is she more global than them?
3. You still ignorantly thinking comparing two or more artists can measure one artist's popularity.
4. You being presented with artists around the globe who have been touched by Her and your only rebuttal is the sources. Is an artist speaking about their influences "more valid" if reported by CNN than Fox News? What a stupid counterargument.
5. You calling into question Her touring. Of course more dates are in the US. The US is more densely populated. Common sense isn't....well you know the phrase. Never mind all of Her international dates being sold out (arenas and stadiums), not to mention all of which aren't listed.
6. "Slightly popular" doesn't get an artist several top ten hits in that countries or sell out dates in that country multiple times across three decades.
Keep trying though.
1. What's the use of posting them in here anyway? But alright, BS vs janet. BS charted in more places and had better (or the same) peaks than janet, which is her best performance outside of the States. BS also has more certified units outside of the States (2.5 million) than janet (2 million) + Secret performing better than any janet's single. Keep in mind we're comparing Janet's biggest era to one of Madonna's middle sized ones yet still Madge wins. Guess this just further proofs my point, you just shot your foot AGAIN.
2. Guess you CAN'T read. It's everything, the combination of commercial success, and lasting impact not only on acts but the society. Even you tried to use that wikipedia article against me yet most of the acts listed in there come from the US/UK/CAN, 80% actually.
3. Oh, no need. A quick look at the mediocre stats of Janet around the globe is more than enough.
4. Like I said 80% of those come from 3 countries, "global" seems out of place. And I asked if you cared enough to click on those links and read them, some of them are ridiculous as ****, for example, they have Antonio Banderas listed in the article and the link is about some Antonio Sabato, and nowhere in the article it says he was influenced by Janet, all it says is he landed his first job as a Janet dancer. You talking about stupid, THE NERVE...
5. I question it maybe cause it pales in comparison to that of real global phenomenons? Duh. A couple of dates here and there are enough to be a "global phenomenon"? Alright, Lana "global phenomenon" del Rey. Common sense isn't so common, you are right.
6. SEVERAL, the reach. Luckily the stats are there for anyone to check, you can keep your delusions to yourself.
This is the last time I say this (hopefully). I am not calling Janet local, all I am saying is her achievements aren't enough to classify her as a global phenomenon, phenomenon being the key word of course. She was NEVER the biggest musical sensation at some point like MJ, The Beatles or Madonna. Mild success in a couple of countries outside of the US ain't cutting it, sorry. If you wanna think she was global () fine, but a PHENOMENON sure as hell she never was. Sadly, you're too blinded too see that, so let's end this here.
I should have known better than to argue with someone that caps "her" and "she" when referring to her fave...
Poor Janet stans being slaughtered left and right.
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Utada Hikaru is a phenomenon. She holds the record for highest global first week sales despite releasing in only one country. Michael Jackson, The Beatles, Britney Spears, Madonna, etc. haven't managed that.
Do you really want me to search through thousands of posts just because you're being two-faced to drag some Janet stans?
My desperation? You came in to a thread I was in first and started another diatribe about some artist that you dislike while trying to pretend you've never stanned for anyone with less success. I'm just calling you on your hypocrisy and if that really makes you so insecure that you have to personally insult me (which, by the way, are mild and inoffensive yet it is a kii seeing you struggle to "drag" me), then stop being so hypocritical
So an act is a GLOBAL phenomenon because he/she sells a lot IN ONE SINGLE country? Wow, you never cease to amaze me. Utada Hikaru is a phenomenon In Japan, yes. Global-wise, NO.
You said it was few weeks ago, and I rarely post more than twice a week so sure it wouldn't be hard. If you are accusing me of something then I'd expect you to have proof. Which in this case you don't, cause I HAVE NEVER addressed Aguilera as a "global phenomenon". I'm starting to think you're a pathological liar on top of being obsessed with me.
OMG, you're truly something else. What exactly makes you think I entered this thread because of you? Whether I stan for someone with less success or not has NOTHING to do with what I am stating in here. I would be hypocritical if I ever stated Aguilera was a global phenomenon which I haven't and never will. Simple as that, even a toddler can understand that simple analogy. This is a new low for you. Bringing Aguilera into every reply you post for me is getting tired.
Seek help.
I mean, if that's your argument, Cyndi Lauper's "Girls Just Want To Have Fun" which has nearly 130 million views is bigger and more memorable than ANY Madonna song (including "Vogue" on her official Youtube channel)
Obviously janet is a legend
She'd be even bigger if the superbowl never happened but even now she's a legend. It's just irritating when her fans try to make out she's bigger than mariah/whitney.
They are all legends tbh.
I'm sorry sis, but you were probably like 5 when the superbowl thing happen... what would you know?
So an act is a GLOBAL phenomenon because he/she sells a lot IN ONE SINGLE country? Wow, you never cease to amaze me. Utada Hikaru is a phenomenon In Japan, yes. Global-wise, NO.
You said it was few weeks ago, and I rarely post more than twice a week so sure it wouldn't be hard. If you are accusing me of something then I'd expect you to have proof. Which in this case you don't, cause I HAVE NEVER addressed Aguilera as a "global phenomenon". I'm starting to think you're a pathological liar on top of being obsessed with me.
OMG, you're truly something else. What exactly makes you think I entered this thread because of you? Whether I stan for someone with less success or not has NOTHING to do with what I am stating in here. I would be hypocritical if I ever stated Aguilera was a global phenomenon which I haven't and never will. Simple as that, even a toddler can understand that simple analogy. This is a new low for you. Bringing Aguilera into every reply you post for me is getting tired.
Seek help. [/SIZE]
Does Utada not own the record for highest global first week sales or not? Yes, her music may not have been available for legal purchase in most countries till a decade after it impacted but an artist's "globalness" has less to do with how spread out their success is and more to do with how successful it is overall. For example, would you really call Demi Lovato more global than say Luke Bryan whose album sold well over twice as much as hers just because her album was released in more countries?
You're really trying to get me to go through our old posts and calling me obsessed? There's a blatant irony here Sis, you know damn well what you posted and fronting isn't going to help your argument.
Once again, you lack the ability to grasp that my comment has nothing to do with Christina and everything to do with your wishy-washy criteria. Again, there's more irony to your "you can't read - no analytical skills" posts Much like how you try to argue that I'm stalking you and then get faux-offended when I mention that you followed me in to this thread. There's nothing consistent about your posts and you're not even able to formulate a solid train of thought seeing as you can't decide whether Janet was local or not.
Let me save you a response because it's this formulaic: Everybody's following me. I'm a victim. Janet Jackson is local. Christina Aguilera's my fave till somebody's fave has outsold her and then I'm a Madonna stan. I hate Britney Spears. You can't read! That's not what I said! I know it's exactly what I said but I meant the exact opposite! Nobody here can read! Everyone keeps bringing up Christina Aguilera and I'm offended! But Madonna has outsold your fave so there. It's been a displeasure speaking to you. *Insert fifth-grade insult here*
[CENTER][SIZE="1"]1. What's the use of posting them in here anyway? But alright, BS vs janet. BS charted in more places and had better (or the same) peaks than janet, which is her best performance outside of the States. BS also has more certified units outside of the States (2.5 million) than janet (2 million) + Secret performing better than any janet's single. Keep in mind we're comparing Janet's biggest era to one of Madonna's middle sized ones yet still Madge wins. Guess this just further proofs my point, you just shot your foot AGAIN.
This post has nothing to do with that I said in regards to the genre issue. I said to compare Her peers' R&B released to THEIR Pop ones. I'm not sure as to what part of that got lost in translation. Compare BS to True Blue/Like A Virgin/Ray Of Light/Confessions. Compare I'm You Baby Tonight/My Love Is Your Love to Whitney/The Bodyguard. Compare Butterfly to Music Box. How did "I'm Your Angel" do in comparison to "It's All Coming Back To Me Now", considering they were only released two years apart. There's no need to use MHWGO considering it had a blockbuster film to support it. To put it into perspective for you, how did S4U do in comparison to Ooops and BOMT? It should be more than self-evident that genre plays a role in what music is well received on a global platform. It's highly questionable that you only mentioned "Secrets" from BS, but I do recall it having more singles like "Take A Bow" and "Human Nature". What's your explanation for you not mentioning those R&B-tinged songs and their worldwide performance?
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2. Guess you CAN'T read. It's everything, the combination of commercial success, and lasting impact not only on acts but the society. Even you tried to use that wikipedia article against me yet most of the acts listed in there come from the US/UK/CAN, 80% actually.
4. Like I said 80% of those come from 3 countries, "global" seems out of place. And I asked if you cared enough to click on those links and read them, some of them are ridiculous as ****, for example, they have Antonio Banderas listed in the article and the link is about some Antonio Sabato, and nowhere in the article it says he was influenced by Janet, all it says is he landed his first job as a Janet dancer. You talking about stupid, THE NERVE...
I actually did click a lot of the links, and visited their pages. I see a lot of them are from the UK, and if I'm not mistaken, that's not in the US. Some are from a number of countries in Europe and Asia. Clearly there is a lasting impact She has had if there are a number of acts outside of Her homeland citing Her as an inspiration. A lasting impact on the artist and lasting impact on society are intertwined, as the artist is integral in shaping the musical landscape of each country they have presence. So trying to separate the two to fit your illogical argument holds no merit. You can look around the world and see Janet has left a lasting impact in a number of places:
The Voice: Germany performing a 20 year old song of Hers:
This isn't he first time Germany has celebrated Her highness
Bravo Magazine recognizing Her as the Queen of Pop
South Korean pop group 2NE1 with Janet in their studio
South Korean artist Kwon Yuri performing "If" on her tour
"Together Again" performed on the South Africa equivalent of American Idol
Japanese artist Hitomi Shimatani doing a cover of "Doesn't Really Matter"
Australian rapper Drapht mentioning Janet's "Got Til It's Gone" in his 2013 single (1:14), a song released 16 years prior
Like I said a few posts ago, the receipts are bountiful.
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3. Oh, no need. A quick look at the mediocre stats of Janet around the globe is more than enough.
If Janet's stats are mediocre, what are Britney's?
Her label puts Her at 160 million records. Most of UKMix (although not an authority source) puts Her at ~120-130mil records. She has 55 million records in confirmed sales in the US. Using the UKMix figure, That leaves ~65 million records outside of the US.
These stats are hardly mediocre for the music she was making.
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5. I question it maybe cause it pales in comparison to that of real global phenomenons? Duh. A couple of dates here and there are enough to be a "global phenomenon"? Alright, Lana "global phenomenon" del Rey. Common sense isn't so common, you are right.
This point again makes no sense. The "couple of dates here and there" was the norm back then, as touring isn't the juggernaut it is today. Just for a quick reference, look at the Wiki stats for tours they went on in 1993-1995:
Obviously more dates are done in the US because the US is more densely populated than any other countries when you count up the metropolitan areas. There are more cities and more money to be made in each city. Extracting Janet from global fame based on tours when She sold out the same venues as Her peers is an argumentative flaw on your part. Now, I'm not saying Janet's tours were as big as theirs, or she was as popular as them, but based on this information, and all artists playing similar venues, it's clear that Janet was on par with Her peers in some areas.
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6. SEVERAL, the reach. Luckily the stats are there for anyone to check, you can keep your delusions to yourself.
"Several", by definition, means more than two. And once again:
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This is the last time I say this (hopefully). I am not calling Janet local, all I am saying is her achievements aren't enough to classify her as a global phenomenon, phenomenon being the key word of course. She was NEVER the biggest musical sensation at some point like MJ, The Beatles or Madonna. Mild success in a couple of countries outside of the US ain't cutting it, sorry. If you wanna think she was global () fine, but a PHENOMENON sure as hell she never was. Sadly, you're too blinded too see that, so let's end this here.
"Her achievements aren't enough to classify her as a global phenomenon". What do you know about Her achievements aside from the stats posted in this thread along with the ignorant "She's not known in my country" comments? The reason why you don't see Janet as a "global phenomenon" is because your mindset is tainted with the belief that merit is solely numerical. This why someone like you will argue that Britney and Katy Perry are legends, while ppl like Janet and Mariah are not. Madonna is a global phenomena because ppl wanted to dress like her, they wanted to perform like her, she challenged norms for women. Ppl like MJ, Madonna, Whitney, Janet, and Mariah are all global phenomenas because they redefined what it meant to be a pop star. Being a "global phenomenon" isn't based on achievement. Understand everything is not numerically based, it's merit based. It's based on how the artist's art has contributed to the shaping of the musical climate. There are plenty of global phenomenons who aren't judge based on numbers. Again, comparing statistics of two ore more acts and doesn't accurately reflect a single artist's popularity. When was Madonna the biggest musical sensation MJ was with Thriller? When did The Beatles sell 42+ million copies of one album like Whitney did with The Bodyguard? By your logic the only global phenomena were The Beatles as they've outsold every artist imaginable. There are varying levels of popularity, and Janet fans are well aware of that. To say Janet was never the biggest musical sensation is ignorant when aside from Whitney she's the best selling Black female artist of all time.
Your iconography/image isn't memorialized in the UK by having "mild success".
You don't sell out a stadium in Japan in 7 minutes multiple times on multiple tours by having "mild success".
You don't get put on a national stamps in Kyrgyzstan by having "mild success".
You're not "The Star of the Month" in France by having "mild success".
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I should have known better than to argue with someone that caps "her" and "she" when referring to her fave...
Janet isn't my fave. Stevie Wonder is. I just use Janet because the musical knowledge of most of ATRL doesn't include Stevie's genius.
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Poor Janet stans being slaughtered left and right.
Cosigning yourself doesn't make your statement any more or less true or false. As my friend says, "Cosigning with a fail doesn't negate the fail."
A better argument for you would be that Janet did not have the reach Her peers had. But it doesn't make sense for the aforementioned reasons. Madonna's influence isn't as big at MJ's or The Beatles. Britney's isn't as big as Whitney's. Mariah's isn't a big as Stevie Wonder's. Again, there are varying levels of which an artist reaches an audience based on their art. Some are very generic and easily to emulate, while others require actual talent and skill. You can gage Janet's lasting impact on the world by simply listening to and watching the acts of today mimic her style from decade's past. Just because you didn't live thru something doesn't mean it didn't happen.
1. What's the use of posting them in here anyway? But alright, BS vs janet. BS charted in more places and had better (or the same) peaks than janet, which is her best performance outside of the States. BS also has more certified units outside of the States (2.5 million) than janet (2 million) + Secret performing better than any janet's single. Keep in mind we're comparing Janet's biggest era to one of Madonna's middle sized ones yet still Madge wins. Guess this just further proofs my point, you just shot your foot AGAIN.
Because a pop album will usually chart/sell better worldwide compared to one that is considered R&B. That she was charting so high and had such dominance worldwide with music that was more R&B oriented, would point to her impact being a global phenomenon.
Her success represented more than being "one of the biggest artists in the world" (which she was, along with her contemporaries Madonna, Michael, Whitney, and Mariah). It was also about continuing to pave the way for crossover artists and the success they could have.
That's what we call breaking barriers. Janet, Whitney, and Michael all broke barriers (in different ways, nonetheless).
Also, if the total sales/shipments for both albums were equal you would have a point.They aren't.
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Um... it is
I think many would disagree with you. lol
Either way, the point is gauging what song is memorable based on VEVO/Spotify for artists that existed for decades before said streaming service isn't an accurate measure.
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I don't know why are we really trying to prove something. The critics,the GP and corrent & former artists define Janet as a Legend.
Instead of arguing about facts, go support your faves on iTunes. Do something positive. Live for love
Because for some the intention is always to demean, deny, and dismiss Janet's contribution/impact.
Does Utada not own the record for highest global first week sales or not? Yes, her music may not have been available for legal purchase in most countries till a decade after it impacted but an artist's "globalness" has less to do with how spread out their success is and more to do with how successful it is overall. For example, would you really call Demi Lovato more global than say Luke Bryan whose album sold well over twice as much as hers just because her album was released in more countries?
You're really trying to get me to go through our old posts and calling me obsessed? There's a blatant irony here Sis, you know damn well what you posted and fronting isn't going to help your argument.
Once again, you lack the ability to grasp that my comment has nothing to do with Christina and everything to do with your wishy-washy criteria. Again, there's more irony to your "you can't read - no analytical skills" posts Much like how you try to argue that I'm stalking you and then get faux-offended when I mention that you followed me in to this thread. There's nothing consistent about your posts and you're not even able to formulate a solid train of thought seeing as you can't decide whether Janet was local or not.
Let me save you a response because it's this formulaic: Everybody's following me. I'm a victim. Janet Jackson is local. Christina Aguilera's my fave till somebody's fave has outsold her and then I'm a Madonna stan. I hate Britney Spears. You can't read! That's not what I said! I know it's exactly what I said but I meant the exact opposite! Nobody here can read! Everyone keeps bringing up Christina Aguilera and I'm offended! But Madonna has outsold your fave so there. It's been a displeasure speaking to you. *Insert fifth-grade insult here*
Don't bother responding.
The utter lack of sense. Let's take a close look at the stupidity that you're saying. First, the definition of global: Of, relating to, or involving the entire earth; worldwide. So enlighten me on how being massively popular/successful in just ONE country makes you global? And more importantly how it makes you "more global" than another act that is more popular and more successful in several countries across the globe? I cannot!
It's simple. You accused me of something I didn't do, that's why I asked for proof, proof that you will never bring cause I have never said such a thing. On top of that, you haven't had trouble quoting old posts of mine before but whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.
For the umpteenth time, I have NEVER addressed Aguilera as a "global phenomenon". Your pathetic argument died before even happening. How the **** did I follow you into this thread when I was already arguing with Janet stans when you quoted me first? The nerve of you to talk about consistency and "solid train of thoughts".
Nnnn I got you THAT mad, how cute!
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This post has nothing to do with that I said in regards to the genre issue. I said to compare Her peers' R&B released to THEIR Pop ones. I'm not sure as to what part of that got lost in translation. Compare BS to True Blue/Like A Virgin/Ray Of Light/Confessions. Compare I'm You Baby Tonight/My Love Is Your Love to Whitney/The Bodyguard. Compare Butterfly to Music Box. How did "I'm Your Angel" do in comparison to "It's All Coming Back To Me Now", considering they were only released two years apart. There's no need to use MHWGO considering it had a blockbuster film to support it. To put it into perspective for you, how did S4U do in comparison to Ooops and BOMT? It should be more than self-evident that genre plays a role in what music is well received on a global platform. It's highly questionable that you only mentioned "Secrets" from BS, but I do recall it having more singles like "Take A Bow" and "Human Nature". What's your explanation for you not mentioning those R&B-tinged songs and their worldwide performance?
I actually did click a lot of the links, and visited their pages. I see a lot of them are from the UK, and if I'm not mistaken, that's not in the US. Some are from a number of countries in Europe and Asia. Clearly there is a lasting impact She has had if there are a number of acts outside of Her homeland citing Her as an inspiration. A lasting impact on the artist and lasting impact on society are intertwined, as the artist is integral in shaping the musical landscape of each country they have presence. So trying to separate the two to fit your illogical argument holds no merit. You can look around the world and see Janet has left a lasting impact in a number of places:
The Voice: Germany performing a 20 year old song of Hers:
This isn't he first time Germany has celebrated Her highness
Bravo Magazine recognizing Her as the Queen of Pop
South Korean pop group 2NE1 with Janet in their studio
South Korean artist Kwon Yuri performing "If" on her tour
"Together Again" performed on the South Africa equivalent of American Idol
Japanese artist Hitomi Shimatani doing a cover of "Doesn't Really Matter"
Australian rapper Drapht mentioning Janet's "Got Til It's Gone" in his 2013 single (1:14), a song released 16 years prior
Like I said a few posts ago, the receipts are bountiful.
If Janet's stats are mediocre, what are Britney's?
She's one of the best selling Black artists in France
She also has 37 top 40 hits in New Zealand
She has 32 top 40 hits in the Netherlands
Her label puts Her at 160 million records. Most of UKMix (although not an authority source) puts Her at ~120-130mil records. She has 55 million records in confirmed sales in the US. Using the UKMix figure, That leaves ~65 million records outside of the US.
These stats are hardly mediocre for the music she was making.
This point again makes no sense. The "couple of dates here and there" was the norm back then, as touring isn't the juggernaut it is today. Just for a quick reference, look at the Wiki stats for tours they went on in 1993-1995:
Flash forward to when they all went on tour again 1997-2000:
Obviously more dates are done in the US because the US is more densely populated than any other countries when you count up the metropolitan areas. There are more cities and more money to be made in each city. Extracting Janet from global fame based on tours when She sold out the same venues as Her peers is an argumentative flaw on your part. Now, I'm not saying Janet's tours were as big as theirs, or she was as popular as them, but based on this information, and all artists playing similar venues, it's clear that Janet was on par with Her peers in some areas.
"Several", by definition, means more than two. And once again:
"Her achievements aren't enough to classify her as a global phenomenon". What do you know about Her achievements aside from the stats posted in this thread along with the ignorant "She's not known in my country" comments? The reason why you don't see Janet as a "global phenomenon" is because your mindset is tainted with the belief that merit is solely numerical. This why someone like you will argue that Britney and Katy Perry are legends, while ppl like Janet and Mariah are not. Madonna is a global phenomena because ppl wanted to dress like her, they wanted to perform like her, she challenged norms for women. Ppl like MJ, Madonna, Whitney, Janet, and Mariah are all global phenomenas because they redefined what it meant to be a pop star. Being a "global phenomenon" isn't based on achievement. Understand everything is not numerically based, it's merit based. It's based on how the artist's art has contributed to the shaping of the musical climate. There are plenty of global phenomenons who aren't judge based on numbers. Again, comparing statistics of two ore more acts and doesn't accurately reflect a single artist's popularity. When was Madonna the biggest musical sensation MJ was with Thriller? When did The Beatles sell 42+ million copies of one album like Whitney did with The Bodyguard? By your logic the only global phenomena were The Beatles as they've outsold every artist imaginable. There are varying levels of popularity, and Janet fans are well aware of that. To say Janet was never the biggest musical sensation is ignorant when aside from Whitney she's the best selling Black female artist of all time.
Your iconography/image isn't memorialized in the UK by having "mild success".
You don't sell out a stadium in Japan in 7 minutes multiple times on multiple tours by having "mild success".
You don't get put on a national stamps in Kyrgyzstan by having "mild success".
You're not "The Star of the Month" in France by having "mild success".
Janet isn't my fave. Stevie Wonder is. I just use Janet because the musical knowledge of most of ATRL doesn't include Stevie's genius.
Cosigning yourself doesn't make your statement any more or less true or false. As my friend says, "Cosigning with a fail doesn't negate the fail."
A better argument for you would be that Janet did not have the reach Her peers had. But it doesn't make sense for the aforementioned reasons. Madonna's influence isn't as big at MJ's or The Beatles. Britney's isn't as big as Whitney's. Mariah's isn't a big as Stevie Wonder's. Again, there are varying levels of which an artist reaches an audience based on their art. Some are very generic and easily to emulate, while others require actual talent and skill. You can gage Janet's lasting impact on the world by simply listening to and watching the acts of today mimic her style from decade's past. Just because you didn't live thru something doesn't mean it didn't happen.
What's up with your bible? I could go on and give a response to each and every one of your paragraphs. But this will go on forever and we will never agree on anything, so what's the use?
I'm not stating Janet as a "flop" or "local". I'm well aware that she gained some success in some countries across the globe. NOT ENOUGH to be considered a global phenomenon, in my opinion as I can bring 20x that for MJ, Madonna & The Beatles, but more than enough in yours. I compared it to the achievements of other acts that I consider global phenomenons to exemplify the reasoning behind my decision, which you failed to understand. She didn't take over the world enough to be considered a phenomenon in my opinion, if you disagree with that, FINE.
I will never change your opinion, and you will never change mine so this is actually ridiculous and stupid. I'm done arguing this, I stand behind my opinion but I'll respectfully accept yours cause this already bored me.
I will just add that I cackled at you questioning Mediatraffic first and then using it to back your claims. Adiós.